Gideon has sinned. And the truth still stands regardless.

[Hazelelponi]

This i can stand by. I am a man and I behave like a man and will until I am transformed by God.

What I ponder is whether or not I can be transformed by God and still sin whenever sin presents itself and be tempted of the same lusts as before transformation....

And whether or not i should promote this belief...

Our lives will be transformed, but we won't be impervious to sin, never to have fault or error or sin again. We must always be on guard against sin.

The second we allow the pride of life to take over and say we are without sin, that is when we fall.

 

[Grip Docility]

This i can stand by. I am a man and I behave like a man and will until I am transformed by God.

What I ponder is whether or not I can be transformed by God and still sin whenever sin presents itself and be tempted of the same lusts as before transformation....

And whether or not i should promote this belief...

We all fail. We all hate sin, that have Him within. Thus Romans 7 remains vital to our walk.

 

[bèlla]

Is the public admission that we that are filled with the spirit of God commit sin when the opportunity presents itself, really a dagger to Satan?

How many people would do the same? Most sin in secret and hide their shortcomings. That’s the dagger I’m referencing.

His willingness to admit his stumble in light of everything God has done and is doing through him shows humility and obedience.

And it wasn’t ignored by those who are dealing with similar issues and the shame it presents. I don’t struggle with the things he mentioned. But I respect the person who has the guts to admit their mistakes. We don’t see enough of that.

This isn’t about you or me at all. Not on the surface. It’s about him being who he says he is. And when you’re working for God you do things His way, not yours.

Even if it means discomfort or embarrassment. His obedience demonstrates that means more than saving face. When you reach that point and you’re willing to get uncomfortable on His behalf. Great things follow.

 

[Grip Docility]

How many people would do the same? Most sin in secret and hide their shortcomings. That’s the dagger I’m referencing.

His willingness to admit his stumble in light of everything God has done and is doing through him shows humility and obedience.

And it wasn’t ignored by those who are dealing with similar issues and the shame it presents. I don’t struggle with the things he mentioned. But I respect the person who has the guts to admit their mistakes. We don’t see enough of that.

This isn’t about you or me at all. Not on the surface. It’s about him being who he says he is. And when you’re working for God you do things His way, not yours.

Even if it means discomfort or embarrassment. His obedience demonstrates that means more than saving face. When you reach that point and you’re willing to get uncomfortable on His behalf. Great things follow.

Spoiler

 

[Gideons300]

Ok, I have a few minutes, so I want to explain more about the walk of faith I have been led to share on for more than a dozen years. And what is one of the prime goals of this abiding walk? That we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

God's express will is that we walk in holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our lives. Therefore, sin in whatever form it takes for each one of us... it must go. No exceptions.

So what do we do? Resolve to do better? LOL. Good luck with that. No, there is a far better and more effective way to see the sins that have so easily beset us cease in our lives. We stop leaning on our strength to resist temptation, for eventually, we will wear out or wear down and crash! There we go again.

Instead we put off the old nature by faith. We reckon that sin no longer has authority over us. How is this possible? Well, the strength of sin is the law, amen? And how long does the law.... and thus sin... have authority over us? Paul tells us in Romans 7. And long as we live. Ouch.

Ah, but listen. Paul informs us that we died when Jesus died. Thus, the demands of the law are broken over us, and thus sin is robbed of its power and authority over us. We MUST understand this if we are ever to walk in the FREE INDEED Jesus bought for us.

But even though we may see this, and even agree with it, something is out of whack. We still do not find the freedom from the power of sins that we detest. No matter how we hate them, and how much we long to be free from giving into to their pull when we are tempted, we still find to our dismay that we still fall.

Why is this? Simple. Because all these promises God has made to us, and He has made some doozies, LOL, are activated and work by faith. We have to reckon the promises are true for us, with NO evidence other than the fact that our God promised and it is impossible for Him to lie.

So..... with all that said, if we have taken our stand to believe we are new creatures, and a slip does occur, how did it happen? What is the root of the sin? Before, it was simply the sin itself. But now, there is only one reason why we fell, and it is unbelief! Our shield of faith wavered.

As terrible as falling back into sin is, there is a deeper lesson here, for our God wants to pull us deeper into Him, deeper into abiding, deeper into trust in His Words. And praise God, He even uses our failures to bring us higher!

So IF we slip while reckoning ourselves as new men, with new hearts, hearts that not only want to obey but CAN obey, understand this amazing mystery that Paul shares with us in Romans 7.

Whereas before, sin and our old nature were partners in crime so to speak, that all changed when we reckoned our old nature as DEAD. So listen closely. Now it is different. It is no longer US that sin, but sin that dwelleth IN US!

Do you see the difference? Before we were fleshly carnal natures housed in a fleshly body. Amen? But not now! Now we are new natured believers, still housed in fleshly bodies, but we, the real US, is new, dead to sin and alive to God. Our job is NOT be bring our bodies under subjection but to KEEP it there!

What does all this mean for a weakling like me who had a hard fall after walking in faith as to who I am for years? First, without a doubt, the sin needs to be acknowledged, confessed and repented of. No beating around the bush.

But the root sin is unbelief as we have discovered, so we come to God and after confessing it, we trust that IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins..... and.... ready?..... to cleanse us of all unrighteousness! Glory!

As a result of this "new and living way", our walk of faith is uninterrupted. No groveling. No long darkness where God seems a million miles away, where we have to feel sufficiently bad for our error. Do we think God is surprised at how vile the acts of our old nature are? You are kidding, right? LOL. Neither should we be surprised at how much terrible evil we can generate if our eyes are off of Him and our shield of faith lowered. Hopefully, we have already concluded that all of our righteousness is as filthy rags in His eyes so if we revert back to our old ways, of course it is disgusting. But to continue beating ourselves up and feeling bad about it is not the solution. Once acknowledged and confessed, God tells us "OK, get up off your face and believe again that I can and will keep you from falling.

This highway of holiness of which I share, guys, is practical holiness, an easy yoke for even the even the weak ones like me. IF bumps come, make them quick, confess them quicker, move past them and believe again.

If you truly want to see the devil lose it, try it. He will be all ready with his guilt, his accusations, and more temptations to see that you stay down. The very last thing he wants is for the people of God to start actually believing their God, trust me. But this time, something is different. He arrives on the scene ready to do what the devil does so well, but what does He find? A saint of God walking in their new nature, with their shield of faith raised high and a smile on their face.

He goes ballistic, trust me. "But.. but.. but.... you can't do that! You just sinned! I saw you! How dare you try to hide behind the shield of faith. Come out here and face me like a man!". Do we now see that he is addressing your OLD man? And guess what? Tour old man doesn't live there anymore!

It is critical we learn this. We are not asked to grovel for a month or two, whipping ourselves to show God how sorry we are. That is simple a weird inverted form of pride, for our eyes are on us, not on Him. Heck, that is why we fell to begin with! LOL. And we think we are going to fix it by guilting ourselves into obedience? Man, sometimes we are just plain dumb. Do not take offense. This was my modus operandii for 38 years. I was a slow learner. ☺️

What does God tell us? Up! Get up off our face, stop groveling, and BELIEVE again!

So, if God can milk goodness out of my error, how much more will he cause goodness to flow out of you and I in righteousness? Can you say "Glory!"? Glory!

Blessings,

Gids

 

[Grip Docility]

Ok, I have a few minutes, so I want to explain more about the walk of faith I have been led to share on for more than a dozen years. And what is one of the prime goals of this abiding walk? That we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

God's express will is that we walk in holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our lives. Therefore, sin in whatever form it takes for each one of us... it must go. No exceptions.

So what do we do? Resolve to do better? LOL. Good luck with that. No, there is a far better and more effective way to see the sins that have so easily beset us cease in our lives. We stop leaning on our strength to resist temptation, for eventually, we will wear out or wear down and crash! There we go again.

Instead we put off the old nature by faith. We reckon that sin no longer has authority over us. How is this possible? Well, the strength of sin is the law, amen? And how long does the law.... and thus sin... have authority over us? Paul tells us in Romans 7. And long as we live. Ouch.

Ah, but listen. Paul informs us that we died when Jesus died. Thus, the demands of the law are broken over us, and thus sin is robbed of its power and authority over us. We MUST understand this if we are ever to walk in the FREE INDEED Jesus bought for us.

But even though we may see this, and even agree with it, something is out of whack. We still do not find the freedom from the power of sins that we detest. No matter how we hate them, and how much we long to be free from giving into to their pull when we are tempted, we still find to our dismay that we still fall.

Why is this? Simple. Because all these promises God has made to us, and He has made some doozies, LOL, are activated and work by faith. We have to reckon the promises are true for us, with NO evidence other than the fact that our God promised and it is impossible for Him to lie.

So..... with all that said, if we have taken our stand to believe we are new creatures, and a slip does occur, how did it happen? What is the root of the sin? Before, it was simply the sin itself. But now, there is only one reason why we fell, and it is unbelief! Our shield of faith wavered.

As terrible as falling back into sin is, there is a deeper lesson here, for our God wants to pull us deeper into Him, deeper into abiding, deeper into trust in His Words. And praise God, He even uses our failures to bring us higher!

So IF we slip while reckoning ourselves as new men, with new hearts, hearts that not only want to obey but CAN obey, understand this amazing mystery that Paul shares with us in Romans 7.

Whereas before, sin and our old nature were partners in crime so to speak, that all changed when we reckoned our old nature as DEAD. So listen closely. Now it is different. It is no longer US that sin, but sin that dwelleth IN US!

Do you see the difference? Before we were fleshly carnal natures housed in a fleshly body. Amen? But not now! Now we are new natured believers, still housed in fleshly bodies, but we, the real US, is new, dead to sin and alive to God.

What does all this mean for a weakling like me who had a hard fall after walking in faith as to who I am for years. First, the sin needs to be acknowledged, confessed and repented of. No beating around the bush.

But the root sin is unbelief as we have discovered, so we come to God and after confessing it, we trust that IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins..... and.... ready?..... to cleanse us of all unrighteousness! Glory!

As a result of this "new and living way", our walk of faith is uninterrupted. No groveling. No long darkness where God seems a million miles away, where we have to feel sufficiently bad for our error. This, guys, is called practical holiness, an easy yoke for even the even the weak ones like me.

It is critical we learn this. We are not asked to grovel for a month or two, whipping ourselves to show God how sorry we are. That is simple a weird inverted form of pride, for our eyes are on us, not on Him. Heck, that is why we fell to begin with! LOL.

What does God tell us? Up! Get up off our face, stop groveling, and BELIEVE again!

So, if God can milk goodness out of my error, how much more will he cause goodness to flow out of you? Can you say "Glory!"? Glory!

Blessings,

Gids

Glory!!!!

Revelation 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “ ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, Who was, and is, and is to come.”

 

[RaymondG]

How many people would do the same?

How many would "sin" and admit that they did it? I believe a lot of people in the world and in the church would do the same....As lying is shunned in both places....and those in the world most likely would have no issues with the actions in question and therefore would not call it sin.

Most sin in secret and hide their shortcomings. That’s the dagger I’m referencing.

Yes, I am not talking about those who sin and hide....for there is no hiding from God. I believe one can sin and repent/turn away from sin....without publicizing the sin, and making it seems as if it is ok and something we all do and cannot cease from doing....

His willingness to admit his stumble in light of everything God has done and is doing through him shows humility and obedience.

I would do this as a form of accountability.....using this accountability as an extra hindrance from the sin im announcing. e.g. if everyone knows I do it and are watching me....I am less likely to do it. It would be, to me, extra security.......an alarm to go with the locks on the door..... For which, i would ask myself.....is the lock enough? why do I need the alarm as well? Did I purchase the wrong lock?

And it wasn’t ignored by those who are dealing with similar issues and the shame it presents. I don’t struggle with the things he mentioned. But I respect the person who has the guts to admit their mistakes. We don’t see enough of that.

Yes, we tend to flock towards and identify with those who are like us. However, this walk is a lonely one......and there should be only a few like us.

I too admire those who can make a mistake and fess up to it. I'm indifferent, however, to the notion that everyone must be subjected to sinning, because I cannot stop...and the notion that I can continue to sin and be filled with the spirit before and after the sin.

The idea of being a "sinner, saved by grace" as well as a "Saved by grace Sinner"....is a doctrine that I am still learning and trying to comprehend.

This isn’t about you or me at all. Not on the surface. It’s about him being who he says he is. And when you’re working for God you do things His way, not yours.

My words are not about you or me or him......I thinking more about those on the other side......the eyes that see and dont reply.

The sinner, who is tired of the smoking and pleasures of the flesh, looking for deliverance through Christ. Will they decide to still try Jesus, knowing that some believe they must continue in their current state, even after Jesus?

Even if it means discomfort or embarrassment. His obedience demonstrates that means more than saving face. When you reach that point and you’re willing to get uncomfortable on His behalf. Great things follow.

The thing is......am I only uncomfortable in my sin only after i tell others about it? Can only me and God know what I did alone and that be enough for me to change? I can only speak concerning myself, as i cannot view the contents of another heart..... I could not make statements that could hinder another....for my own benefit.

 

[RaymondG]

We all fail.

I agree, however, a few do not continue to fail.

We all hate sin

It would be more productive to Love Righteousness instead. They that walk after the spirit do not mind the things of the flesh........ we should rather give all our strong feelings to righteousness and whatsoever things are of good report...

Thus Romans 7 remains vital to our walk.

We must remember to eat the whole book.....not just the sections that seems to agree mostly with the way we are currently deciding to live.....

Those who follow the command "Be ye Perfect" must also be able to reconcile Pauls saying, and vice versa.

 

[RaymondG]

Our lives will be transformed, but we won't be impervious to sin, never to have fault or error or sin again.

Yes we will be transformed.....but I am careful to not claim this transformation until it is done.....and my propensity to sin help my gauge my transformation. yet we must keep our hand to to plow, not looking back......and claim our salvation after enduring unto the end.....after the transformation, after which we go and sin no more.

We must always be on guard against sin.

Yes we must.....until we dont have to anymore. I am saved by grace, and not by any guard duty i complete. In times of trouble I am hidden in a pavilion.....a secret of His tabernacle shall I be hidden.
One doesn't cease from sin because they try not to.....For man, this is impossible.

The second we allow the pride of life to take over and say we are without sin, that is when we fall.

Those transformed is free from pride......When I sense pride, I know to continue to seek transformation.....until I find it......never to feel content while experiencing the things I should be free from...

 

[Grip Docility]

I agree, however, a few do not continue to fail.


It would be more productive to Love Righteousness instead. They that walk after the spirit do not mind the things of the flesh........ we should rather give all our strong feelings to righteousness and whatsoever things are of good report...


We must remember to eat the whole book.....not just the sections that seems to agree mostly with the way we are currently deciding to live.....

Those who follow the command "Be ye Perfect" must also be able to reconcile Pauls saying, and vice versa.

Be ye Perfect is accomplished by Galatians 3:27. . IMO

 

[RaymondG]

Be ye Perfect is accomplished by Galatians 3:27. . IMO

I agree. I do believe, however, that most disagree on when and how this process takes place....and whether or not, one can still sin after being baptized into and putting on Christ.

 

[Gideons300]

Our lives will be transformed, but we won't be impervious to sin, never to have fault or error or sin again. We must always be on guard against sin.

The second we allow the pride of life to take over and say we are without sin, that is when we fall.

I agree wholeheartedly. BUT..... there is a huge difference between a man declaring he is without sin, inferring self-effort and a state he has arrived at by his diligence, and the man who declares by faith that God is keeping him from falling. This man has his wyes fixed upon Jesus and His promises. It is not pride, nor arrogance. It is faith and brings glory to God, as far as whether this is a statement of pride or a statement of great humility, it all depends upon who you are looking at as the source of strength to see it accomplished.

So, a question. What do you think of a man who boldly declares that His God will not allow him to be tempted above his abilty to resist? Who declares that he is not in the flesh and owes it nothing? Who stands upon the truth that we have been delivered from the power of darkness?

Is such a man a heretic or a child of God pleasing his Father because of his trust in the Father's promises to him?

If we lined up the promises He has plainly declared to us, read them off one by one and asked ourselves if we believe them to be even possible, let alone true, how would we answer?

Yes, we must watch, for our enemy never rests, seeking ways to get us to sin. But we must watch as we stand on the high ground of victory, declaring that our Jesus has made us victorious over the world the flesh and the devil. This, brothers and sisters, is the shield of faith that will quench all those flaming arrows that satan shoots at us.

We ARE new. We ARE victorious. Sin does NOT have power over us. And glory to God, we are about to see His people arise up and believe it.

However, if we try to fight our way up to status of overcomer, and to by self discipline try to take the high ground, then we are declaring we are still old natured men, trying to "be good", we are doomed to another lap or two in the wilderness of unbelief till we finally arrive at the point where we understand we have NO strength. Without a shout of faith at the devil and his temptations, then the high ground, the highway of holiness, becomes unattainable to us.

Let us be like Joshua and Caleb and not be swayed by the multitude around us that tells us holiness is only a goal we can never hit. How can everyone else be wrong? Well, the bones of 599,998 Israelites that left Egypt are bleaching somewhere in the desert for they simply refused to believe the promise that our God has made us as to real victory, giants or no giants. We will find that overcoming all satan throws at us is impossible in this life. unless we finally throw off the shackles of unbelief and step out of our boat to believe Him. But when we do? Remember Samson? Once mighty, reduced to grinding corn to the delight of his enemy. But he cried out to God, believed again and pulled down strongholds. Our turn.

When the men came to Jesus and asked Him what they must do to work the works of God, let us note that He did not tell them to try with all their might to stop sinning. Nor to fast nor to get more diligent? He did not tell them to stop watching 6 hours of mind numbing television a night, nor did He tell them to fo witness and then they will see results. He did not tell them to put a parental block on themselves when they turned on your computer? How about find a nice accountability partner who is bound just like you? Nooooooo!!! LOL

He told the inquirers one thing, just one simple thing, as the answer for us as to how to do God's will.

"Believe on Him whom He has sent."

That, brothers and sisters, is wisdom from above. Do we have heavenly ears to hear? I pray so.

blessings,

Gideon

 

[~Zao~]

I hope that your wife doesn’t read all this and think you can’t be left alone. Are you sure your not just punishing her for going away for a bit of a holiday?

 

[bmjackson]

I would take this as a warning Gideon. You are obviously not free and posing as a leader in that state opens you up to a full blown attack from enemy territory. You need to have your freedom before you can stand in this vicious war.

As it is, you are now receiving praise. More to be concerned about.

 

[Grip Docility]

I hope that your wife doesn’t read all this and think you can’t be left alone. Are you sure your not just punishing her for going away for a bit of a holiday?

Where’s the “oh no” emoji?

 

[Grip Docility]

I would take this as a warning Gideon. You are obviously not free and posing as a leader in that state opens you up to a full blown attack from enemy territory. You need to have your freedom before you can stand in this vicious war.

As it is, you are now receiving praise. More to be concerned about.

If men had to wait to be sinless... to aid the body with teaching and guidance.... we would have no men to lead.

 

[~Zao~]

Lions and tigers and bears oh no!!!

 

[RaymondG]

I would take this as a warning Gideon. You are obviously not free and posing as a leader in that state opens you up to a full blown attack from enemy territory. You need to have your freedom before you can stand in this vicious war.

As it is, you are now receiving praise. More to be concerned about.

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

It is very possible that the way I think is right can still end in destruction. It is sometimes the things that hurts to hear.... that are the best things for us.

 

[Gideons300]

I agree. I do believe, however, that most disagree on when and how this process takes place....and whether or not, one can still sin after being baptized into and putting on Christ.

Oh, one CAN sin. Trust me, LOL. But as our faith grows in His ability to keep us from falling, so does our victory.

Faith is not a one time 'wham bam thank you ma'am' occurrence on the day of our salvation. Now, it is simply the first salvo fired across satan's bow to start our good fight of faith.

How many there are who have witnessed a miracle in their life as the walls of Jericho came tumbling down at the shout of faith. But listen guys, there is an entire land that is our possession, and by faith we are told to take it, and that every step we take will be our possession.

Can we still sin? Just ask Joshua after his experience with little Ai. LOL. But should a defeat at Ai deter us from believing it is our birthright to take the entire land of promise? I warn you not to take that tact. God will not allow you to wallow in unbelief very long.

We as His church, His people, are about to be asked to believe His promises.... like ALL of them. However, we have tons of excuses ready, don't we? LOL.

We are only human.

It is impossible.

Romans 7

1st John 1:8

No one has ever done it.

We are all just worms.

Failure is good for our humility. (God even shakes His head laughing at this one. No brother. VICTORY is good for our humility!)

Yeah, and with a dollar and a bushel basket of excuses, we can get ourselves a cup of coffee. ☺️ Are His promises faith-stretching? You bet! Being kept from falling is one HIGH promise to us, but He means every word, even forca worm like I WAS!

So IF you slip when trying to walk in victory by faith alone, trust me, here is what is going to happen. He is going to lift you up, congratulate you on the steps you did take by faith, dust you off and say "Do it again.". And to your amazement, your faith... and the results flowing from exercising your faith..... grow! That is the amazing God we serve. Flat-out mind-blowingly amazing.

blessings,

Gids