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Gideon has sinned. And the truth still stands regardless.

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I call them gateway sins. They look innocent until you notice the big chain connected to them leading round the corner to something a bit more menacing. LOL.

Of course. That’s the point. ;-)
 
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For me it was love...
That day the lord said to me... You do that sin because you love that sin MORE then you love me.

Yes it is the SAME principle ...but he told me the truth that day and it set me free from the lie i had been agreeing with ..
The Lie that said i cant stop....

He told me i was free the day christ rose from the dead... But i did not love Christ more then the pleasure of sin .
Then he told me how to love JESUS More..he told me listen to Me and do as i tell you.
Always...
 
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God allows certain things in our lives to teach us humility, and to understand our own nature and desperate need of Him.

Good day and God bless.

All praise is to God.
 
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God allows certain things in our lives to teach us humility, and to understand our own nature and desperate need of Him.

Good day and God bless.

All praise is to God.
God never allows sin ..
Never
Ever.
And he does not lead us to sin to humble us..
He saves us from it.... That is humbling
 
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God never allows sin ..
Never
Ever.
And he does not lead us to sin to humble us..
He saves us from it.... That is humbling

"And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil"

The above is part of how Jesus taught us how to pray.

God allows temptations in our lives (Jesus Himself was tempted) in order that we do not grow prideful, or see ourselves as somehow worthy of salvation, as we are not.
 
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When I was in college I used to smoke pot. I smoked until I hallucinated. I got low grades and dropped out. Things went from bad to worse. I became alcoholic and found loose women. I was in an auto accident, lost my job and was suicidal. As I tried to crash my car into an overpass abutment at a very high rate of speed. God asked me to live. I had already given up pot as I realized drugs were illegal, expensive and unhealthy. I gave up alcohol as I did not want the insanity of drunkenness. I practiced celibacy as I was single. I read the Bible as much as possible. Because of my past “highs” I was impoverished. I hitchhiked to the Rockies working day labor and temporary jobs. I set out loblolly pine seedlings on S.C. tree plantations one winter. Years went by and I became more certain of God’s truth. I have not smoked pot since 81 or 82. I can not get drunk. I am 60 and celibate. I reject porn. I texted and called a divorced Christian lady I found in an online dating site who reminded me of Paul’s warning, “Flee from sexual immorality.” I reminded her we are not supposed to do premarital sex, as this is fornication. You might have a chance with Jesus. I once asked a pastor what part of the Bible I should study. He told me, “The Gospel of John.” It is a good book to read from time to time. I took part of a community college course in the Gospels before dropping out to work on a contract. I studied the course Gospel parallel book. It showed Gospel verses side by side. The teacher emphasized Matthew’s “Sermon on the Mount” and Luke’s “Sermon on the Plain.”
 
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lead us Not....into testing....
Does not mean he leads a person into Sin
.never charge God with doing evil.
-For God CANNOT be tempted by evil Niether does he tempt any man ......"
The lords prayer is asking Gods protection from being tempted by the evil one....
God never allows or uses Sin .
He cannot...
For a man is tempted ( to do evil) when he is lead astray by the desire of his Own heart...

I have No condemnation of the Op.. But do not use the post to promote sin.as being of God...
 
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Perhaps Spurgeon can help you, as I certainly cannot say it better:

"Dear brethren, do but notice the text does not say, “ Tempt us not, if it did, then there would be a difficulty ; it does not say, “ Lord, tempt us not,” but it says, “ Lead us not into temptation ; ” and I think I shall very rapidly be able to show you that there is a vast difference between leading into temptation and actually tempting. God tempts no man. For God to tempt in the sense of enticing to sin were inconsistent with his nature, and altogether contrary to his known character; but for God to lead us into those conflicts with evil which we call temptations, is not only possible, but usual. Full often the Great Captain of Salvation leads us by his Providence to battle fields where we must face the fell array of evil, and conquer through the blood of the Lamb; and this leading into temptation is by divine grace overruled for our good, since by being tempted we grow strong in grace and patience. Our God and Father may, for wise ends, which shall ultimately subserve his own glory and our profit, lead us into positions where Satan, the world, and the flesh may tempt us, and the prayer is to be understood in that sense of a humble self-distrust which shrinks from the conflict. There is courage here, for the suppliant calmly looks the temptation in the face, and dreads only the evil which it may work in him. but there is also a holy fear, a sacred self-suspicion, a dread of contact with sin in any degree. The sentiment is not inconsistent with “all joy” when the divers temptations do come, it is akin to the Saviour's “ If it be possible, let this cup pass from me,” which did not for a moment prevent his drinking the cup even to its dregs.

Let me observe that God in no sense so leads men into temptation as to have any share in the blame of their sin if they fall into it. God cannot possibly by any act of his, become co-partner with man in his crime. As good old Trapp well observes, “God tempts men for PROBATION, but never for PERDITION. The devil tempts men that he may ruin them; God tries men, and puts them where Satan may try them, but he leads them into temptation for probation, that the chaff may be sifted from the wheat, that the dross may be separated from the fine gold. By these trials hypocrites fall, being discovered in the hour of temptation; just as the rough March wind sweeps through, the forest, and finding out the rotten boughs snaps them from the tree, the fault being not in the wind but in the decayed branch. James alludes to the actual solicitation to evil in which the most holy God can have no part, but our text deals with the providential bringing about of the temptation which I think you can clearly see may be the Lord’s work without his holiness in any degree being stained thereby. "

"Lead Us Not Into Temptation"

Jesus so hated the hypocrisy of the Pharisees...
 
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IMO

God tempts no one, nor did God Will evil to exist. However, God did Will sincerity and Gave us the opportunity to make choices.

A byproduct of giving sentient beings choices is created sentient beings having the choice to choose poorly and that option is there for the Angels, too.

We know angelic rebellion manifested in the garden and we know Satan tempting Eve was not God’s will.

BUT... we also know God permitted Satan to temp Eve.

God has a “permissive will”. In this frame, we see this verse take deep meaning (Romans 8:28).

There is no doubt the Almighty only desires GOOD and only Does Good, but there is also no doubt that He allows bad to come our way as a result of “choice” provided.

Where does this leave us? If we fail, He’s already provided forgiveness and He can teach. If we succeed, we know it is by His strength.

In His hands... all things will be utilized, though not all things are “Specifically Willed”... by Him... “Simply Permitted”... for our greater good.

Clearly, @Gideons300 doesn't wan’t to be in narcotic stupor, as he sees his time being utilized more productively in many other ways.

Though Paul clearly says ALL THINGS are permissible... Gideon knows that not all things are “profitable” in matters of health, wealth and personal growth. Gideon is clearly focused on Jesus Christ and wants to invest his time towards the Gospel... where he sees no place for Herb.

This is my opinion.
 
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The dagger that Satan received as a result of your confession is worth the discomfort and gives hope to others struggling in silence.

God bless and keep you.
Is the public admission that we that are filled with the spirit of God commit sin when the opportunity presents itself, really a dagger to Satan?

Wouldn't this be more of a statement of what God cant do, rather than a dagger to Satan?

If I, instead, say that I slipped up....therefore I must do my first works over....and lay an axe to the root of this tree.....for good trees cannot bare bad fruit..... yes, this is a victory and a dagger to satan.

However....to say i was always saved and sin when sin presents itself, and telling other people along, makes me retain my previous status.... Im not so sure about this.
 
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Here's my approach to walking in the Spirit. This beats sin while it is still temptation...

“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” (2 Corinthians 10:5) (KJV 1900)

We censor every impure thought or imagination. And change the channel in our thinking on any thought that does not conform to obedience to Christ.

And we replace it with:

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8)

Knowing Jesus is God and God is love. Jesus is lord of our lives when love rules our thoughts and actions.
 
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This entire world is a den of iniquity! Within our own hearts and minds, dwells iniquity. One would have to leave their very body to get away from iniquity.

However, witness is removed when the Saint marches on into the other side, and that isn’t profitable, either.

How is it that Jesus Christ Called smoking gun sinners to His presence, but there are people in Christ that desire higher standards of interpersonal connection than God Almighty?
 
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Yeah blahlah ....stil doesnt say God will cause us to sin
He cannot ever do so .

I never said God caused us to sin, I said HE sometimes allows certain things so that we will grow in humility (and thus love for the lost). (to teach us) Our sometimes faults and failures gives us a forgiving spirit with others, when we ourselves know without doubt we utterly and completely depend on God's forgiveness..
 
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What you are saying is so biblical it’s literally all throughout scripture.

In no way did I see you suggesting God made us sin. I believe we are witnessing the idea that “those who have been forgiven much, Love much, while those who have been forgiven little, Love little”. (Though, as you might agree, I have yet to meet a person that didn’t have much to forgive.)
 
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How is it that Jesus Christ Called smoking gun sinners to His presence, but there are people in Christ that desire higher standards of interpersonal connection than God Almighty?

Are you of the mind that we remain smoking Gun sinners after being called into the Presence of God? Saddles must be taken off while on holy ground, but sin can still remain?
 
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Are you of the mind that we remain smoking Gun sinners after being called into the Presence of God? Saddles must be taken off while on holy ground, but sin can still remain?

I am of the impression that all men fail, but the ONE man that “failed” at merely being a man.

 
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Thanks for your humility here Gid-beautiful and helpful. While forgiveness is always available we must appreciate and want it, and repent as necessary. And then continue striving onwards and upwards. That, with the help of grace, is to remain our trajectory overall.
 
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I am of the impression that all men fail, but the ONE man that “failed” at merely being a man.

This i can stand by. I am a man and I behave like a man and will until I am transformed by God.

What I ponder is whether or not I can be transformed by God and still sin whenever sin presents itself and be tempted of the same lusts as before transformation....

And whether or not i should promote this belief...
 
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