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"And about these also Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones" (Jude 14).
Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Mat. 26:24) Where will the habitation of sinners be . . . who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born. (Enoch 38:2 {38:2})
In my Father's house are many mansions (John 14:2) In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations. (Enoch 45:3 {45:3})
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9})
Deut. 3:11 Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.The average height of men in the ancient near east was about 5' tall. There is a textual explanation that the Nephilim/Giants were appropriately 6'6", which would be like giants to a 5 foot tall man
Gen 18:2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the groundNo, they can't, because they're not human.
Let me rephrase to pour water on your fire ken. Sons of God is taken to signify, godly men.
Point being... apparently angels can take human form and function like humans...
So you say... you don't know that, you didn't test them. It says they came AS MEN... Paul wrote that we need to make sure when it comes to our dealings with strangers (people we don't know) because they might be angels that we aren't aware of. So the bible is saying they look, sound and feel like MEN (if they apparently choose to or are are directed to by God) and you are saying they are not humans. I have to go with the bible here bro... if it says they can take the form of men then they can take the form of men.But they are not humans. They haven't got human DNA (no DNA at all, actually).
So you say... you don't know that, you didn't test them. It says they came AS MEN...
Question... why would the Sodomites desire angels?
Could you answer my questions? There were just two of them, thanks.That means that they look like men, not that they reproduce with human women.
And angels don't have DNA because they're not physical beings.
There is an old saying that: "Everybody is entitled to their own opinion."
For how many years have people been saying there is a "Bigfoot" and/or the "Yeti"? There have also been pictures, camera footage supplied to support their evidence.
Stories of the "Bigfoot" in America extend back to a hundred years before the settlers came to America.
Stories of the Yeti in Mongolia, Siberia, etc., go back as far as well.
Yet in all these years, in all these expeditions, not shred of evidence has been produced to show for a fact, they exist!
Even now, with all the expeditions being formed, I have seen the documentaries, there is still no evidence other than "legends", "folklore", stories handed down from generation to generation to support it.
There are over 4000 satellites in orbit around the earth. They can see through water to find a car in a lake that's been there over 10 years. They can zoom in on a person sitting on a park bench in "Anytown, U.S.A." and see that they are reading a newspaper. Satellites that have "infra-red" capabilities, that can see a deer running through a forest. Satellites that can detect a missile being fueled underground, preparing for launch.
Now your going to tell me that for the last 180years, the Smithsonian Institution has gone world wide, destroyed, or hidden evidence of 40 foot tall "men"?
Sounds like you are an expert in angelic physiology......That means that they can look like men, not that they reproduce with human women.
And angels don't have DNA because they're not physical beings.
The Sodomites didn't know they were angels (they called them "men"). And the Sodomites were not, of course, interested in reproduction.
Well, two children, born from the same mother, with different fathers, can be amazingly different in size and stature.....And that applies how?
God Bless
Till all are one.
Again, the Apostle Paul quote from and use Greek poetry in his letters. Should we include these in the canon?
And here again, show me where Jude actually quotes from Enoch.
There's also the problem that we have no idea what the original book of Enoch said. Apart from a few fragments, all we have is the Ethiopian translation.
With no Greek text for the book of Enoch, it's impossible to say whether even the famous passage from Jude 1:14-15 is a direct quote from the book of Enoch (as opposed to being parallel passages with a common source).
And there's no reason to believe that even the original book of Enoch was inspired.
If you go to the equator... they have four seasons...Here is another problem with Enoch.
"Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai; appear with his hosts; and be manifested in the strength of his power from heaven." -1 Enoch 1:5
Enoch was taken by God about 700 years before the flood. Did Mt. Sinai exist prior to the flood?
If so, show in scripture. The world as we know it now, rather, over the last 6 millennia, came about because of the flood.
"They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it." -1 Enoch 3:3
Two things:
"They consider and behold every tree, how it appears to wither, and every leaf to fall off, except of fourteen trees, which are not deciduous; which wait from the old, to the appearance of the new leaf, for two or three winters." -1 Enoch 4:1
- Here Enoch mentions "summer and winter", seasons are not mentioned until after the flood. (cf. Gen. 8:22)
- Rain, scripture also says there was no rain, get that "NO RAIN" until the flood. (cf. Gen. 2:6)
Again, mention of a season (2 or 3 to be exact) prior to the flood.
Can this be shown from scripture?
"That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.
(5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).
For the same reason as Mt. Sinai, did it exist in Enoch's time? If so, show me scripture.
"To Gabriel also the Lord said,...Purify the earth from all oppression, from all injustice, from all crime, from all impiety, and from all the pollution which is committed upon it. Exterminate them from the earth. Then shall all the children of men be righteous, and all nations shall pay me divine honours, and bless me; and all shall adore me. The earth shall be cleansed from all corruption, from every crime, from all punishment, and from all suffering; neither will I again send a deluge upon it from generation to generation for ever." -1 Enoch 10: 13, 25-27
Where to start on these verses. Where in scripture, are we told that Gabriel "purified the earth from all oppression and pollution? How can purification by Gabriel bring about righteousness? Are we not told that righteousness comes from God through faith? And if Gabriel did what God said, why did God need to send a flood?
"Proceeding on, I continued over the waters of Danbadan, (16) which is on the right to the west of Armon, reading the memorial of their prayer, until I fell asleep." -1 Enoch 13:8
(16) Danbadan. Dan in Dan (Knibb, p. 94).
In this passage, Enoch makes a reference to the land of Dan. (see footnote)
At the time of Enoch's "supposedly" writing this, the city of Dan, in the northernmost part of Israel, did not exist. Neither did Israel.
I can go on if you like.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Quotes from whom? Other people who have vested interest in it remaining a hoax?Relevant links, quotes, and facts.
I'm still waiting for your evidence.
Funny... who then mated with human women? And, somehow, produced giants?No, they can't, because they're not human.
The Ethiopians have manuscripts of Enoch that match parchments from the dead sea scrolls.Most of those are not quotes at all, just slightly similar wording.
Even for the Jude passage, we can't say it's a quote because (1) the Enoch manuscripts we have are more recent than Jude, and (2) the complete Greek versions of Enoch have been lost, so we can't compare exact wording. The passages in Jude and Enoch might simply have a common origin.
Proof please.But they are not humans. They haven't got human DNA (no DNA at all, actually).
Well, two children, born from the same mother, with different fathers, can be amazingly different in size and stature.....
Now, imagine a woman giving birth to the child of an angel. Especially when these angels had knowledge that mankind didn't have then and doesn't possess now.
Later on, these nephilim corrupted all flesh with their ability to manipulate DNA.
This was a plan to corrupt the human DNA line so that there would be no pure human line which would be necessary for God's Son Jesus to be in order to save the human race.
This technology must have been what Nimrod figured out. He was a giant hunter and then became a Giant himself.... they worshiped him and he was the one who built the tower of Babel.....
Just FYI the word Cannibal is derived from Canaan and Babel due to their practice of eating humans.
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