Ghosts - how?

[Pac Shady]

Chajara, you may not have noticed the Scripture I posted in my last post. Here it is again.

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1a)

Despite what you may believe by the apparent behaviour of this demon, it IS in fact a demon. Scripture denies the possibility of this "little boy" being a ghost. And instead of testing the spirits as Scripture prescribes in a situation like this, you have chosen to believe it to be benign and harmless.

Do not be deceived, the Devil is a cunning liar, he has known you your whole life, he has watched you and knows your weaknesses by what he has seen you do and say. In fact, the only one who knows you more than he does is God Himself. He knows how to tempt you, he knows how to lie to you, he knows what to do to get you to believe in him rather than seeking the Lord. This "ghost" you see is one of his many tricks. You MUST stand firm in the Truth of God however, and cast this demon out in the Name of Jesus Christ. Do not be fooled or deceived by Satan's tricks.

'Shady

 

[rocklife]

Keep in mind that when the soldier that slapped Jesus on the back and said hurry up, and Jesus said you will stay here and wait for my return,

What verse is this in the bible?

 

[U R my Sonshine]

This type of thing has always terrified me. I am sured it is entirely possible. I have always prayed that nothing like this ever happens to me. I don't believe there can be any good that can come of it or the Lord wouldn't tell us to not communicate with the dead.

Of course satan can see and tell what our beliefs are and if he thinks you can be fooled that the "spirit" is grandma or a little kid or otherwise benign....he will. He is the father of all lies.

A little kid (out of all possible ghosts) would be the last one God would leave wondering the earth aimlessly, I would think. Doesn't sound like the work of the Lord to me. I would pray over my house and command the being to be gone in the name of Jesus.

 

[amiel]

I have to agree with the others.... the devil knows that you like children, what better way to deceive you?

 

[Chajara]

What can the Devil possibly do though? I'm not talking to the ghost or using a ouiji board. He doesn't even show up every time I'm at my sister's, and when he does he just makes a bit of noise. I'm apparently pretty sensitive to this sort of thing (I sensed another spirit in a house I visited in Canada... that was wierd.) and I don't feel one bit threatened.

As I've said, the first time he starts tossing plates across the room or seriously depriving me of sleep (the footsteps are annoying, but I can sleep through them) I certainly will order him to leave.

Again, I don't believe this is the soul of a child left here on earth, because I don't believe that happens. I think it's just something leftover that doesn't realize why its here or what else to do with itself.

I promise you guys, the /first/ time I feel even slightly threatened, he's outta there. But for now he's causing no harm and seems to just be lonesome. Perhaps my maternal instincts /are/ indeed getting the better of me, but I'd feel bad for just throwing him out of the house if he's somehow attached to it. He seems to like it there, and he seems to like me. I'm fine with that so long as he behaves, which he's done for the last 5 years. I mean geez, his behavior actually improved the one time he did upset me.

Perhaps I'll start looking into a way to help him move on, so his spirit can dissipate and finally leave the area. But I figure if he really wanted to move on he would. *shrug*

 

[mae300]

I believe in evil spirits and have been haunted by them before I became a christian. However I have a question...before my husband became a christian he used to seperate from his body...now this is not a ghost....nor is it a evil spirit but a human spirit still alive seperating from the body. I am going to try and take this apart scientifically, he didn't originally set out to do this it just happened to him. Secondly when this would happen his heart beat would stop. I told him if it continued he would die permanently and has since made a concentrated effort to make it stop. However he said he could see the body, he could rise up above the house, and felt pulled in a heavenly direction, he felt peace and comfort and it was difficult to come back. So I don't know just giving you that idea that perhaps there is more than what we are aware of. I do know the bible says not to contact the dead, not to perform seances in search of talking with the dead.

 

[Chajara]

I believe in evil spirits and have been haunted by them before I became a christian. However I have a question...before my husband became a christian he used to seperate from his body...now this is not a ghost....nor is it a evil spirit but a human spirit still alive seperating from the body. I am going to try and take this apart scientifically, he didn't originally set out to do this it just happened to him. Secondly when this would happen his heart beat would stop. I told him if it continued he would die permanently and has since made a concentrated effort to make it stop. However he said he could see the body, he could rise up above the house, and felt pulled in a heavenly direction, he felt peace and comfort and it was difficult to come back. So I don't know just giving you that idea that perhaps there is more than what we are aware of. I do know the bible says not to contact the dead, not to perform seances in search of talking with the dead.

That would be astral projection. I'm not sure if this is something that's wise to do conciously, but apparently it does happen without the person meaning for it to sometimes. Apparently runners have it happen a lot when they slip into a trance during a long run. Do some research, perhaps there's a way to keep it from happening through meditation or something. If not, prayer ought to work

 

[SH89]

Chajara,

20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord's jealousy? Are we stronger than he? (1 corithians 10:20-22)

11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.

(deuteronomy 18:11-12)

Im not trying to put you down...

Personally, i have not contacted the dead. Evil spirits cannot be men, since (NOW) either the soul of a man goes to hell to await the judgement(the lake of fire) or to be with Christ in heaven.

My testimony: I believed in very strange things when i was a child(11-13). I believed that i had experiences with spirits, heard noises, saw black clouds, etc... Im sure i was acting in ignorance and fear as a child

Honestly, this "being" cannot just be mere energy. He has intelligence, a will, and a personality. Men and angels cannot be at two places at once.

All that demons want for your life is to take away the word and fellowship with God as... you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons.

Hollywood: Oh, and doesn't it bother you that maybe this "little boy" is watching you when you sleep?

 

[Pac Shady]

I believe in evil spirits and have been haunted by them before I became a christian. However I have a question...before my husband became a christian he used to seperate from his body...now this is not a ghost....nor is it a evil spirit but a human spirit still alive seperating from the body. I am going to try and take this apart scientifically, he didn't originally set out to do this it just happened to him. Secondly when this would happen his heart beat would stop. I told him if it continued he would die permanently and has since made a concentrated effort to make it stop. However he said he could see the body, he could rise up above the house, and felt pulled in a heavenly direction, he felt peace and comfort and it was difficult to come back. So I don't know just giving you that idea that perhaps there is more than what we are aware of. I do know the bible says not to contact the dead, not to perform seances in search of talking with the dead.

This would be Astral Projection. Fact is though, he doesn't actually leave his body. It is yet another demonic deception, that convinces him that he is out of his body, feeding images into his mind of a perspective outside of himself.He is still in his body, but he experiences otherwise. It has all stopped now tho since he has come to Christ though persumably?

God Bless

'Shady

 

[Pac Shady]

What can the Devil possibly do though? I'm not talking to the ghost or using a ouiji board. He doesn't even show up every time I'm at my sister's, and when he does he just makes a bit of noise. I'm apparently pretty sensitive to this sort of thing (I sensed another spirit in a house I visited in Canada... that was wierd.) and I don't feel one bit threatened.

As I've said, the first time he starts tossing plates across the room or seriously depriving me of sleep (the footsteps are annoying, but I can sleep through them) I certainly will order him to leave.

Again, I don't believe this is the soul of a child left here on earth, because I don't believe that happens. I think it's just something leftover that doesn't realize why its here or what else to do with itself.

I promise you guys, the /first/ time I feel even slightly threatened, he's outta there. But for now he's causing no harm and seems to just be lonesome. Perhaps my maternal instincts /are/ indeed getting the better of me, but I'd feel bad for just throwing him out of the house if he's somehow attached to it. He seems to like it there, and he seems to like me. I'm fine with that so long as he behaves, which he's done for the last 5 years. I mean geez, his behavior actually improved the one time he did upset me.

Perhaps I'll start looking into a way to help him move on, so his spirit can dissipate and finally leave the area. But I figure if he really wanted to move on he would. *shrug*

Can I just say something AGAIN?

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1a)

You refuse to test this spirit to see if it os God. You are defending this thing and you don't even know what it is. Can't you see that it has already gained power over you? Can you not see what the Devil is doing? You don't NEED to do anything Occult or Satanic to be attacked by him, he can deceive you in other ways, like this spirit you are trying to defend amongst your Christian bretheren. When he starts throwing plates or levetating you off the bed or driving you slowly to suicide or whatever, it will be too late for you to do much about it without help. NOW is the time to remove it, not later when it starts to show its true colours.

Need a way to help "dissipate it and help it move on"? CAST IT OUT IN THE NAME OF JEUS CHRIST. Nothing better for it. Help it move on back to the Abyss where it belongs. Don't feel sorry for demons. Don't let them deceive you, or rather, on't let them deceive you any longer. The threatening comes later, when you have handed enough power over to it. By then, it is getting too late to do much without help (or a miracle).

'Shady

 

[mae300]

I agree with what Pac said as far as driving it out, show no compassion, when you allow the spirits in, although they may seem innocent at first...they will torment you...they aren't harmless by any means.....

No hubby doesn't see it anymore, when this was occurring was right after I became a christian hubby wasn't a christian at the time, I believe his spirit was leaving his body...thus not breathing or no heartbeat....which scared me. I told him if he stayed away too long it would kill him for sure and he was playing with something he had no business messing with. He said he couldn't stop it and was originally intrigued by it. Something must have scared him because he did stop. Or perhaps it convinced him that there was more than he thought there was cause shortly thereafter he came to Christ....

 

[Theophorus]

Chajara,

What everyone is saying hear is dead on (excuse the pun). This is really, and I mean really bad stuff. The early desert fathers trusted nothing in their solitude. They would see angels, visions of Christ, have peaceful feelings etc. They never encouraged or welcomed these things but always sought advice from others on the source. They did not trust their own judgements. They new the cunning of the devil.

but...

If you see this again, then a test is to make the sign of the cross and ask the spirit to confess Christ as Lord and God. If the "little boy" cannot do that, and I doubt he is a little boy, then you know for sure.

I have seen one "ghost", and I know it wasn't a ghost, but something much more malevolent.

 

[Pac Shady]

I agree with what Pac said as far as driving it out, show no compassion, when you allow the spirits in, although they may seem innocent at first...they will torment you...they aren't harmless by any means.....

No hubby doesn't see it anymore, when this was occurring was right after I became a christian hubby wasn't a christian at the time, I believe his spirit was leaving his body...thus not breathing or no heartbeat....which scared me. I told him if he stayed away too long it would kill him for sure and he was playing with something he had no business messing with. He said he couldn't stop it and was originally intrigued by it. Something must have scared him because he did stop. Or perhaps it convinced him that there was more than he thought there was cause shortly thereafter he came to Christ....

The lack of breathing etc. could either be an unrelated matter that occurred with the Astral Projection, or else it was a demonic thing that was for some reason connected with it. That kind of thing doesn't normally happen with Astral Projection so I'm not 100% what it would have been. But it is impossible except for God to separate the soul/spirit from the body, so he still would've been in his body, just deceived to believe otherwise.

But I am glad he has stopped now, praise the Lord. Whatever the reason for him stopping, he knows the truth now that it is a dangerous and demonic practice, and now he has Christ which is just infinitely better than anything Astral Projection has to offer

God Bless

'Shady

 

[CM]

All ghosts probably aren't evil. and I somewhat beleive in ghosts, so yeah.

But I beleive there ARE evil ones, just not everyone is.

 

[rocklife]

The Bible calls One the Holy Ghost.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

All ghosts probably aren't evil. and I somewhat beleive in ghosts, so yeah.

But I beleive there ARE evil ones, just not everyone is.

But who wants to find out? I will just "assume" God knew what he meant by not communicating with the dead.

 

[CM]

Eh, boredom can lead to many things. Plus many of the things I've read is that they contact you.

 

[Chajara]

Can I just say something AGAIN?

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1a)

You refuse to test this spirit to see if it os God. You are defending this thing and you don't even know what it is. Can't you see that it has already gained power over you? Can you not see what the Devil is doing? You don't NEED to do anything Occult or Satanic to be attacked by him, he can deceive you in other ways, like this spirit you are trying to defend amongst your Christian bretheren. When he starts throwing plates or levetating you off the bed or driving you slowly to suicide or whatever, it will be too late for you to do much about it without help. NOW is the time to remove it, not later when it starts to show its true colours.

Need a way to help "dissipate it and help it move on"? CAST IT OUT IN THE NAME OF JEUS CHRIST. Nothing better for it. Help it move on back to the Abyss where it belongs. Don't feel sorry for demons. Don't let them deceive you, or rather, on't let them deceive you any longer. The threatening comes later, when you have handed enough power over to it. By then, it is getting too late to do much without help (or a miracle).

'Shady

Yes, I heard you. Test the thing. How does one go about testing it? What exactly are the criteria for a "good" spirit or a demon?

Also, by quoting that verse, are you admitting that there are good spirits? Or am I misunderstanding? I thought you said they were all demons.

What I've been saying all along was that I WAS scared at first and did believe it was a demon. I used to think they were all demons too. After observing this one, I've changed my view. Again, I DO NOT believe this is a demon and neither does anyone else I know. Everyone else either believes that I'm nuts or that it's just a benign spirit who doesn't have a clue what's going on. No one ever immediately said "It's a demon and that's final" without even hearing any details until I came here.

 

[SH89]

Yes, I heard you. Test the thing. How does one go about testing it? What exactly are the criteria for a "good" spirit or a demon?

Also, by quoting that verse, are you admitting that there are good spirits? Or am I misunderstanding? I thought you said they were all demons.

1 john 4:1-3 teaches us to test other MEN(the have spirits) if they are Of God or of the Devil.

1 john 4:1-3 says,

Test the Spirits


1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Now, the bible teaches us that God came in the flesh in (1 timothy 3:16, john 1:1, 14). If we deny that Jesus is God, or that God came in the flesh, we are not of God. Yet, if we acknowledge that jesus is God, we are of God.

Since- Jesus=God(isaiah 9:6, jeremiah 23:5-6, revelation 1:8, john 8:58 and so on)

The verse could be read as " Every spirit that acknowledges that God has come in the flesh is from God"
and,
"And every spirit that confesseth not that God is come in the flesh is not of God:"

So every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus is God is of God. Yet, if a person denies that Jesus is God, he is not of God.

 

[Chajara]

So that means I have to communicate with him, which I've been warned not to do.

Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to start. I never see this ghost. I only saw him once. The only time I experience him is when I hear him, usually at night, and then he's upstairs and I'd rather not go looking for him and trying to speak to him in the middle of the night. The steps are usually in the hallway outside my sister's bedroom, and I think if she heard me standing in the hallway calling "Hey you! Is Jesus Christ Lord?" in the middle of the night she'd have me committed