Ghosts - how?

[fresh]

I have been recently studying a term called EVP which is Electronic Voice Phenomenon and basically it is the idea that humans can record voices of the dead. The basis of these claims derive from the fact that people have been capturing voices recorded at HTZ way below the audible 300 HTZ which is the absolute lowest any human can produce with their voices. Most audio is rough and hard to hear where others are quite easily understood. Assuming ghosts do exist on Earth, why are they here and why are they not in Hell or Heaven?

I have noticed that the majority of these voices seem to share these characteristics:

- They get angry when disturbed or asked questions
- Some acknowledge they are dead when some seem they don't know
- They seem to ask for help

What intrests me most is why do the ask for help? Can we help them move on? Why haven't they moved on themselves and why haven't they went to Heaven or Hell?

Keep in mind that when the soldier that slapped Jesus on the back and said hurry up, and Jesus said you will stay here and wait for my return, could be a reference to ghosts or what we know as Purgatory. But, why are children being heard as well? Shouldn't ALL children automatically have a place in Heaven?

Perhaps, when mankind is kilt by another then his life is suspended here until judgment but, then wouldn't God have willed that death and have been ready for it?

Lets say ghosts don't exist, then we must erase all references of spirits in the Bible. Think, when Jesus was on the mount with I think it was, (peter and Mark).. they saw Abraham (spirit), God (spirit), and I think Moses (spirit). If you believe in Christ or the Bible, you must believe in ghosts.

But, you don't have to believe they are here on Earth. That is where EVP, video, pictures, etc.. come into play. So, assuming that there is ghost on Earth, why are they here and not Heaven or Hell, why can't they leave, and what could they have possibly done to get stuck here?

 

[kricket777]

I believe that they are not ghosts at all but most likely fallen angels. I don't know too much about the EVP thing but I do know that Satan and his angels like to play games with us humans.

The spirits of Jesus talked to where not "stuck" here.



In Christ,

kricket777

 

[5stringJeff]

I agree with krickett. Your assumption was that there are ghosts. That's a bad assumption. The Bible shows that the only 'spirits' that would do such things are demons.

 

[monkman]

The spirits of Jesus talked to where not "stuck" here.

True. The spirits Jesus spoke to, while on earth, were coming from heaven. They came specifically for the purpose of talking to Jesus, and then the left; returning to heaven. Most of the figures he spoke to were the one's carried off by the fiery charriot into heaven. There's also the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

 

[Willo]

I would say that these are most probably demonic spirits

 

[Pac Shady]

I feel I should mention, you said it picks up sound lower than human hearing, which you quoted as being 300Hz. Humans can hear as low as 20Hz. (I do alot of study on sound waves and the effects of sound on the brain, so I've learned a bit on how to use them effectively, including which ranges of frequency to use so one can hear them!)

Also, I believe in the POSSIBILITY of ghosts, simply because there have been references in the Bible (mainly the one mentioned of Moses and Elijah on the mountain with Jesus - Transfiguration). However, I don't believe in ghosts in the general sense, chances are these "things" being listened to are actually demons messing with us, drawing us away from God, as is their custom.

'Shady

 

[Chajara]

I believe in ghosts, pretty much because I've seen one and still experience him even now, like 5 years later. Now, do I know what the heck they are or what they're doing here? Nope. I personally believe that for some reason when someone dies, especially violently or while experiencing an intense emotion (hatred, guilt, fear, anger, jealousy, whatever) that sometimes they are incapable of moving on, or only part of them moves on and part stays behind. If only part of them stays behind then some of them being confused as to whether they're dead or alive or seeming oblivious to it would make sense.

I think that lacking a physical body anymore, they're simply an energy field that in some cases manages to manifest enough power to mess with people, whether they know they're doing it or not. The ghost stories I've heard seem to indicate that some ghosts seem to know they can mess with people and delight in doing so, and others don't seem to be "all there" and only scare people by accident and then get the heck out when a person realizes what's going on and tells them to go away.

My ghost story is still going on today. One night a little boy opened my door and crawled into bed with me, and to this day he still likes to mess with me. I've heard it said that some ghosts seem to latch onto people with certain personalities, in my case, I'm ultra-maternal and love children. It makes sense that a child's ghost would sense this and move toward me. I believe that the boy's soul is in heaven, but the essense of his... well, whatever, energy and life force I guess, got stuck here and pretty much hangs around my sister's house. When I'm there, he makes sure I know he's there too. Nothing evil about it, just seems like a little boy calling out to someone who reminds him of "Mommy".

That said, I fully believe in evil spirits just as I believe in evil people. Some people are just plain horrible. They delight in others' misery and pain, and I think they carry these negative feelings with them after death. So, when someone moves into the space these spirits have attached themselves to, they may do the same thing they did in life. Get angry and try to make the person miserable. Maybe they'll throw chairs across the room, maybe they'll snarl "Get out" at night, maybe they'll bang on doors. I've honestly heard it all by now. They're mad and they're going to take it out on someone, anyone who's in range. Demons are also evil (obviously) but I think they're the only ones who are outright dangerous. If you have demons hanging around your house I'd think that they'd start having negative effects on your mental and emotional well-being pretty fast, just by being there. I don't believe demons are capable of deceiving us for long before showing their true colors. I think Satan's the only one who's managed to master all those tricks.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I've actually gotten a bit attached to my sister's ghost, and named him Allen.

 

[Willo]

Chajara,

you are on dangerous ground, the Bible says do not contact the dead etc.

What you see as a friendly little ghost is a demon, now tell it to get out in the name of Jesus, do not open up any doors for the demonic realm.

 

[Chajara]

Chajara,

you are on dangerous ground, the Bible says do not contact the dead etc.

What you see as a friendly little ghost is a demon, now tell it to get out in the name of Jesus, do not open up any doors for the demonic realm.

I don't have any contact with him. I've never spoken to him, and if I ever do it'll probably be something along the lines of "Knock it off with the footsteps, I'm trying to sleep. Seriously. Quit it."

In any event, I've already outlined my beliefs on the differences between benign ghosts, evil ghosts, and actual demons. I believe that the spirit inhabiting my sister's house is a benign ghost who's soul is actually in heaven as it seems to be from a child. Apparently, this child, or what's left of him now that his body and soul are gone, likes me for one reason or another (He ignores everyone but me, except my neice on a few rare occasions), probably because I'm a very maternal woman and he senses that he can find acceptance with me. Of course, after he scared me to death by crawling into bed with me the first night I saw him (I didn't sleep well for months )he disappeared for a few years and even now never manifests himself visually. I assume he didn't mean to scare me and doesn't want it to happen again *shrug*

 

[Pac Shady]

I don't have any contact with him. I've never spoken to him, and if I ever do it'll probably be something along the lines of "Knock it off with the footsteps, I'm trying to sleep. Seriously. Quit it."

In any event, I've already outlined my beliefs on the differences between benign ghosts, evil ghosts, and actual demons. I believe that the spirit inhabiting my sister's house is a benign ghost who's soul is actually in heaven as it seems to be from a child. Apparently, this child, or what's left of him now that his body and soul are gone, likes me for one reason or another (He ignores everyone but me, except my neice on a few rare occasions), probably because I'm a very maternal woman and he senses that he can find acceptance with me. Of course, after he scared me to death by crawling into bed with me the first night I saw him (I didn't sleep well for months )he disappeared for a few years and even now never manifests himself visually. I assume he didn't mean to scare me and doesn't want it to happen again *shrug*

The Bible says otherwise. Ghosts don't exist in the sense you're talking of, because once we die we are judged. There is not "sitting around and haunting" business. What you saw in your sister's house is a demon deceiving you to believe it isn't a demon and it's just a little ghost. Do not be deceived.

The only exceptions have been very rare and are specifically for God's purpose, BIG things, like Moses and Elijah with Jesus on the mountain, that was BIG. A little boy crawling into bed with you? Not Godly, very demonic deception. Do not be fooled.

'Shady

 

[Willo]

The Bible says otherwise. Ghosts don't exist in the sense you're talking of, because once we die we are judged. There is not "sitting around and haunting" business. What you saw in your sister's house is a demon deceiving you to believe it isn't a demon and it's just a little ghost. Do not be deceived.

The only exceptions have been very rare and are specifically for God's purpose, BIG things, like Moses and Elijah with Jesus on the mountain, that was BIG. A little boy crawling into bed with you? Not Godly, very demonic deception. Do not be fooled.

'Shady

Well said, and I agree 100%

 

[Chajara]

The Bible says otherwise. Ghosts don't exist in the sense you're talking of, because once we die we are judged. There is not "sitting around and haunting" business. What you saw in your sister's house is a demon deceiving you to believe it isn't a demon and it's just a little ghost. Do not be deceived.

The only exceptions have been very rare and are specifically for God's purpose, BIG things, like Moses and Elijah with Jesus on the mountain, that was BIG. A little boy crawling into bed with you? Not Godly, very demonic deception. Do not be fooled.

'Shady

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I KNOW we're all to be judged... and I believe once we die our souls zip off for just that occasion. What I believe comprises a ghost is just the spirit, pretty much just leftover energy. When a person dies, the body returns to the Earth and the soul, which is what is eternal, goes on to heaven or hell or whatever you happen to believe in. But I believe that there's a third part to humans just as there are three parts to God. This third part, in my opinion, can get trapped here, but it doesn't really matter because the soul has already departed. See what I mean now? I don't believe I'm dealing with someone's soul that hasn't gone to heaven. I believe I'm just dealing with leftover energy that is attached to the house my sister lives in.

Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear enough. I believe that anyone who has left behind a ghost HAS been judged, and that the ghost is just a shell of what was that doesn't necessarily need to go anywhere after the body and soul have gone their separate ways.

 

[Pac Shady]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I KNOW we're all to be judged... and I believe once we die our souls zip off for just that occasion. What I believe comprises a ghost is just the spirit, pretty much just leftover energy. When a person dies, the body returns to the Earth and the soul, which is what is eternal, goes on to heaven or hell or whatever you happen to believe in. But I believe that there's a third part to humans just as there are three parts to God. This third part, in my opinion, can get trapped here, but it doesn't really matter because the soul has already departed. See what I mean now? I don't believe I'm dealing with someone's soul that hasn't gone to heaven. I believe I'm just dealing with leftover energy that is attached to the house my sister lives in.

Sorry if I wasn't making myself clear enough. I believe that anyone who has left behind a ghost HAS been judged, and that the ghost is just a shell of what was that doesn't necessarily need to go anywhere after the body and soul have gone their separate ways.

And this is taught in Scripture where exactly?

'Shady



Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. (1 John 4:1a)

 

[Antoinette.Marie]

Honestly, I don't have a good feeling about your "ghost", Chajara. I'm not trying to gang up on you. No one's here to do that. I'm just concerned about YOU, and how much you have become attached to this "spirit". TO be brutally honest, I believe satan is trying to decieve you by sending his demons in the form of a child (you say you are very maternal) and satan is playing with you on that. My church has taught me that "ghosts" are demons and evil. Period. Sometimes, they will be nice and pleasant, so they can try to decieve you.

Please, take into consideration to what EVERYONE has said in this thread. The Bible says under no circumstances are we to communicate with the dead. Whether you say you are or not, you let this "spirit" into your bed, and didn't cast it out in Jesus name. You ARE communicating with it. You won't tell it to leave, and that worries me, because you already sound really attached to it.

 

[Chajara]

It's not in scripture. It's just my opinion.

My feelings toward the spirit run from sadness thinking that a little boy may have had a rough life or lost his mommy or something, to annoyance at the incessant footsteps walking around upstairs while I'm trying to sleep, to amusement at the other things he does (opens doors, makes noises, whatever).

When he crawled into my bed the first night I saw him... I was too afraid to cast him out. I saw him, realized I was awake and not dreaming, thought "GOOD LORD A GHOST" and then proceeded to flip the heck out and hide under the covers. When I regained the sense to turn the light on and look, he was gone and the room was untouched save for the open door (I had closed it before going to sleep, just like I always did). He didn't come back for 3 or 4 years, and I think it's because my fearful reaction discouraged him from showing himself again. When he did start again, it was just little things and only to me and occasionally my neice.

At this point, it's still little things and I'm not afraid in the least of him. If he gets more violent or seems to start getting angry, then out he'll go. But for now it seems like he just wants the odd bit of attention now and again.

Trust me, if he acted at all evil or mean, I'd have called someone in to get rid of him because like I said, I have to sleep there and I prefer to be able to relax at night. But he just seems to be there, and content to be just there. Keep in mind that this is 5 years now since the first sighting of him, and not once has he ever done anything else to frighten me or make me do anything other than roll my eyes and think to myself "Yeah yeah, I know you're here. Go away, I'm busy and don't have the time or energy to play with you."

What specifically makes you all think he's really a demon? Has anyone had experiences with demons, or an entity that seemed truly evil before? I'm seriously interested in knowing about it, most of the ghost stories I hear are pretty boring like mine is and involve only the occasional shift in temperature or footsteps at night.

 

[Antoinette.Marie]

It's not in scripture. It's just my opinion.

My feelings toward the spirit run from sadness thinking that a little boy may have had a rough life or lost his mommy or something, to annoyance at the incessant footsteps walking around upstairs while I'm trying to sleep, to amusement at the other things he does (opens doors, makes noises, whatever).

When he crawled into my bed the first night I saw him... I was too afraid to cast him out. I saw him, realized I was awake and not dreaming, thought "GOOD LORD A GHOST" and then proceeded to flip the heck out and hide under the covers. When I regained the sense to turn the light on and look, he was gone and the room was untouched save for the open door (I had closed it before going to sleep, just like I always did). He didn't come back for 3 or 4 years, and I think it's because my fearful reaction discouraged him from showing himself again. When he did start again, it was just little things and only to me and occasionally my neice.

At this point, it's still little things and I'm not afraid in the least of him. If he gets more violent or seems to start getting angry, then out he'll go. But for now it seems like he just wants the odd bit of attention now and again.

Trust me, if he acted at all evil or mean, I'd have called someone in to get rid of him because like I said, I have to sleep there and I prefer to be able to relax at night. But he just seems to be there, and content to be just there. Keep in mind that this is 5 years now since the first sighting of him, and not once has he ever done anything else to frighten me or make me do anything other than roll my eyes and think to myself "Yeah yeah, I know you're here. Go away, I'm busy and don't have the time or energy to play with you."

What specifically makes you all think he's really a demon? Has anyone had experiences with demons, or an entity that seemed truly evil before? I'm seriously interested in knowing about it, most of the ghost stories I hear are pretty boring like mine is and involve only the occasional shift in temperature or footsteps at night.

I personally have not had any experiences like that (and I KNOW I never will), but you cannot go by just how the "spirit" acts towards you. Once you start trying to let go of it, it WILL get angry. It will start to show it's true colors. But, someone with better experience would be better to speak about this.

 

[Chajara]

I personally have not had any experiences like that (and I KNOW I never will), but you cannot go by just how the "spirit" acts towards you. Once you start trying to let go of it, it WILL get angry. It will start to show it's true colors. But, someone with better experience would be better to speak about this.

Meh, I'd think that he'd have gotten pretty upset at me not being afraid of him in the least anymore. Instead, he disappeared for years the time he DID scare me, and now he doesn't show himself visually. I've only SEEN the little guy once, and that was when he was up in my face in my bed looking at me like "What are /you/ doing here?"

In any event, I never get the evil vibe from him, even after five years. The only vibe I get is innocence and occasionally playfulness. Soon as that stops, he's gone.

 

[Antoinette.Marie]

Well, you do what you think is best. I honestly do not get a good feeling from this, but I will be praying for you. God Bless you.

 

[5stringJeff]

Chajara, you would do well to follow Pac Shady's advice. The existence of ghosts is not Biblical. The only being that would interact with you in such a way is a demon.

 

[Antoinette.Marie]

I agree with gopjeff