Ghostly Photos

[Flynmonkie]

Flynmonkie, you are entitled to your views which I respect, but they aren't mine. One day we will find out who is right, LOL!!!

Yes I suppose you are correct we all have “opinions” and we all know what they say about that, but I am not willing to take that chance WHEN the bible clearly speaks of this. And I do mean clearly. There is no other option.

But for you, obviously you have some unforeseen secret knowledge that hundreds years of study by world known Scholars and Theologians have argued and deduced are aware of. Obviously, you must not have a need for any further study, because your opinion will always be right – no matter your education level.

 

[LynneClomina]

I never said the Bible was a book of lies, please read what I said. In those days folk knew no better. When they saw mentally ill people they thought they were possessed by demons, modern psychiatry has taught us differently. I think the only demons that exist are those metaphorical ones in one's own mind!

just curious, tangnefedd,
do you really think Jesus didnt know any better? do you think demons were only in His mind?

i really dont understand...

 

[Flynmonkie]

The Bible is 2000years old we have moved on a bit since then. Anything like mental illness that was frightening was explained by demons. We are a bit more enlightened now thank goodness!

You know I did not catch this the first time round. I would really like to address this. I am highly concerned for you as a Christian making this statemtent. How can you profess to be Christian if you do not believe the bible is free from error? You need to remember that we are not to be stumbling blocks for other Christians. Saying that you are a Christian, yet you do not believe that the bible is fallible, cannot co-exist in any stretch of the imagination. Saying that the bible is 2000 years old and we have "moved on" should be expanded upon. Because it seems as if you are saying....we are just too smart for the Bible now-a-days. I caution you in making that statement.

First and foremost, take it from me, whom has studied many other forms of secular faith and ways. One common denominator is that it never works. Nothing comes full circle. The bible does. There is explanation in the bible for everything. If you are truly in fellowship with God, he shows you what you need for understanding. He promises he is not a God of confusion nor is he the author of confusion. So if it is confusing, it is not of God. I used to think that someone translated the Bible incorrectly, and thought that it did not make sense. Only to find that I was the one whom did not understand from lack of study and prayer. Take time to study and pray on this. Be open to what God has to share with you. Once you do, you will wonder why you waited so long.

Yes, Demons were described even in the bible here is some information you might not be aware of

Demons are fallen angels who joined with Satan in rebellion against God. The Bible does not explicitly discuss their origin, but the New Testament does speak of the fall and later imprisonment of a group of angels (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6). Their rebellion apparently occurred before God’s creation of the world. Afterward, Satan and his followers roamed the new creation, eventually contaminating the human race with wickedness (Gen. 3; Matt. 25:41; Rev. 12:9). To this day they continue to oppose God’s purposes and undermine the cause of righteousness.
For all the good they’ve contributed to the healing professions and pastoral care, some theories of psychology have done a great disservice by casting doubt on the objective reality of evil and the devil. That presents a problem for those who read the Bible’s accounts of demon possession (for example, Luke 9:38–42) and believe that demonic powers can play a hand in physical illnesses.
Some schools of psychology reduce religious experience to nothing but unconscious drives projected onto the external world. Satan, they say, is no more than a personification of one’s deepest, darkest emotions. Likewise, God is reduced to the embodiment of a fully authenticated self, parental ideals, social mores, or universal symbols of goodness.
Without question, a genuine encounter with God or with Satan may involve intense emotional and psychological experiences. But that does not make either one any less real. The existence of Satan and demons is affirmed in scores of scriptural texts. (A demon is a fallen angel or spirit that has joined with Satan in his futile rebellion against God.) At war with Jesus and His followers, these evil powers have played a major role in such events as the Fall, the Flood, and Jesus’ crucifixion, and will figure in the tribulations that will someday wrack the earth and in the final judgment.

The Gospels record several dozen encounters between Jesus and the powers of evil. In many of those instances, demon possession had produced any number of physical maladies and manifestations, such as:
• deafness (Mark 9:25);
• muteness (Matt. 12:22; Mark 9:17–25);
• bodily deformity (Luke 13:10–17);
• blindness (Matt. 12:22); and
• epileptic seizure (Luke 9:39).

Ailments like these did not automatically imply demon possession. In fact, distinctions were made between possession and physical illness unrelated to evil spirits (Matt. 4:24; 10:8; Mark 1:32; Luke 6:17–18).

By casting out demons and restoring people both physically and spiritually, Jesus showed that the kingdom of God was as real as, and more powerful than, the forces of Satan (Matt. 10:7–8; 12:28). Today, that same work has been delegated to the church (Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18). Psychology is often helpful in the task, but it is no match for the kingdom of darkness. Only the “whole armor of God” can help believer

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.  14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
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Ephesians 6:13–18​

I hope this information helps you with a more edifying walk in fellowship with him.​

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[Tangnefedd]

I don't know whether Jesus knew any better, maybe he did, but he had to go along with the current thinking of the day or be laughed out of court! When he told the people parables he used illustrations they could understand.

Flynmonkie as I said before you are entitled to your views, I don't happen to agree with them. The subject here is about photography not a debate about faith, so I will confine myself to that on this thread.

 

[Flynmonkie]

Well if it be photography or of any other topic, when you start mocking the bible and speaking of how we should not have to follow it as that somehow we have "evolved" to be smarter than the bible. Or when you are mocking Jesus himself.....on a Christian Message Board. You might tend to get a bit of flack from other Christians. If you can dish it out you should have the ability to back your statements. Simply put, if you did not like the topic to be discussed you should have not brought it up. Simple as that.

 

[Tangnefedd]

Ok Flynmonkie, you make a fair point about me starting this topic, you are free to comment all you want. I have made my position clear and I wont debate it with you as I don't see any purpose in that as we will never agree.

I found another weird photo today, that I had forgotten about, it was taken on the day of our son's eighteeth birthday last year. Behind him on the stone fireplace is XVIII, which is not there in reality. Our son has Down's Syndrome and reckoned that he saw our ghostly monk on a daily basis. He is quite severely mentally disabled so it is not always possible to know exactly what he was seeing. But he does not have a good imagination so it is likely that he was seeing something unusual.

 

[Flynmonkie]

Ok Flynmonkie, you make a fair point about me starting this topic, you are free to comment all you want. I have made my position clear and I wont debate it with you as I don't see any purpose in that as we will never agree.

I found another weird photo today, that I had forgotten about, it was taken on the day of our son's eighteeth birthday last year. Behind him on the stone fireplace is XVIII, which is not there in reality. Our son has Down's Syndrome and reckoned that he saw our ghostly monk on a daily basis. He is quite severely mentally disabled so it is not always possible to know exactly what he was seeing. But he does not have a good imagination so it is likely that he was seeing something unusual.

I am not debating this with you hon! I am asking you to take a closer look at others ideas on this and why. You have the right to believe any ole way you want to....but as a Christian I am concerned.....because I very much believe in spiritual warfare....of course God is sovgern...but if you are not aware that could happen to you......you do not even realize it.

The only time I get a bit strong is when I feel that people believe the bible is inaccurate, because I used to believe all of this mumbo jumbo for a VERY long time. I had some pretty secular ideas from Astro - psychics It symed my growth. And in hindsight I see where it opened me up to negative entitys. I also tend to get a bit testy when we think we have evolved more than Gods word. Please do not think my words as harsh on your opionions of demons or anything else for that matter.....just read them with a sense of urgency.

Actually, I am truly not sure what you mean (your definition) by fundemental or Libral Christian please explain?

 

[Plan 9]

The Gospels record several dozen encounters between Jesus and the powers of evil. In many of those instances, demon possession had produced any number of physical maladies and manifestations, such as:
• deafness (Mark 9:25);
• muteness (Matt. 12:22; Mark 9:17–25);
• bodily deformity (Luke 13:10–17);
• blindness (Matt. 12:22); and
• epileptic seizure (Luke 9:39).

Ailments like these did not automatically imply demon possession. In fact, distinctions were made between possession and physical illness unrelated to evil spirits (Matt. 4:24; 10:8; Mark 1:32; Luke 6:17–18).

Flynmonkie, if you want to start a thread about this, then you should, but it's not right to commandeer someone elses' thread to pound your pulpit, especially since we have a psychology forum.

In addition, you are the one who has diagnosed the boy in Luke 6:17-18 as having epilepsy; the passage doen't state this. To those of us who have epilepsy, it's quite obvious that it's physical illness, and that's all it is.
We get tired of being labeled as demon possessed, and I don't think you'd like it either if that were done to you; it's adding grave insult to injury.

 

[Flynmonkie]

Flynmonkie, if you want to start a thread about this, then you should, but it's not right to commandeer someone elses' thread to pound your pulpit, especially since we have a psychology forum.

In addition, you are the one who has diagnosed the boy in Luke 6:17-18 as having epilepsy; the passage doen't state this. To those of us who have epilepsy, it's quite obvious that it's physical illness, and that's all it is.
We get tired of being labeled as demon possessed, and I don't think you'd like it either if that were done to you; it's adding grave insult to injury.

Is that what you think that says?? That is terrible, no that is not what it is saying (my best friend suffers from Grand Mal)!!!

What it is saying is
The Gospels record several dozen encounters between Jesus and the powers of evil. In many of those instances, demon possession had produced any number of physical maladies and manifestations, ......

Ailments like these did not automatically imply demon possession. In fact, distinctions were made between possession and physical illness unrelated to evil spirits(Matt. 4:24; 10:8; Mark 1:32; Luke 6:17–18).

We are not talking about pure physical ailments here, what we are talking about is how Satan uses that as a tool for confusion!

Well as far as giving my opinions, this is a Christian message board. And most of us feel rather strongly on the Bible being Gods word and Jesus word being accurate...both being free from error. As Christians I do believe most will say....we are not above Gods word...and simply have evolved from it. I belive it sends out a wong message to those New or Unbelieving Christians out there. I just cannot sit by and watch comments such as these stand unnoticed. Not just for those that are unaware but for the original posters clarification. How does anyone know their options without someone sharing their knolwedge.

Demons are something we should not take very lightly..many ways that they manafest themselves....even your misunderstanding of that information could have been ugly..see what I mean. Satan interjecting to cause confusion amongst Christians.

And rest assured anyone whom says that epilepsy is of demons ....is just plain nonesense! I would be all over that one too!

 

[Tangnefedd]

Mental illness is a very complicated subject, we probably know more about Mars than we do about the functioning of the brain! It is easy to see why some people believe in demon possession when they see a person in the grip of extreme mentall illness and talking in what appears to be different voices etc. However, I do believe this is all manifestations of the illness, and nothing to do with demons as entities.

I am glad that most people accept that epilepsy is a physical condition, my adopted son has it.

 

[Plan 9]

We live in a haunted house and often things turn up on photos that aren't there in reality. Has anyone else had this experience?

I attach a couple of photos. The first was of a face on the barn window in our field where visions of the Virgin Mary were reported in 1997. If I had actual seen that spooky visage I would have been 100 miles down the road, LOL!!! The second is a weird smoke effect in our lounge. We have never had a fire in the lounge, the amount of smoke in the photo had it been there in reality would have needed us to call out the fire service! We have many more such photos taken with different cameras.

Flynmonkie, lets start from the beginning. I think this is the best place to start because we suffering from some confusion here, but of the normal human variety.
Above is the OP. If you'll read it again, you will see that the subject of this thread is photos, that it's been properly placed in the Hobby Forum, under the heading Photography.
Tangnefedd has made her topic clear, and the topic is neither her personal theology nor yours.
Yes, this is a Christian message board, but it is Erwin's Christian message board, and he welcomes not only Christians of varying theology, but also Non-Christians to be members here.
To avoid confusion of the normal human variety, he has rules in place, an important one being that we all stay on-topic.
Tangnefield did not intend that this thread be theological in nature and has politely said that she doesn't care to continue this discussion with you here, yet you persist in remaining off-topic.
You have brought up such a plethora of points unrelated to the OP that you have enough material in your posts here to start a number of threads in a variety of fora here. If you were to do that, it's even possible that Tangnefield (or I, for that matter) would be interested in participating.
However, what you are doing, possibly with the best of motives, is bringing Tangnefield's discussion to a halt, while doing nothing to further your own.
No one wants to stop you from giving your opinions; you are only being asked to give your opinions in the fora in which your opinions belong.
This is a rule here and it is a good one. It is one which all of us are required to obey to the best of our ability, and we are all more likely to respect your opinions when you are not so carried away by your obvious enthusiasm as to make any discussion of the original OP impossible.

To give you one example of threads in which your posts would be appropriate, there is already a discussion of epilepsy and demon possession in the Charismatic Movement Forum. I have bumped it to enable you to find it easily, and will happily post on the subject with you there.
We have two science forums for you to discuss your experiences with the study of astrophysics, a social sciences forum in which you can express your opinions of the field of psychology, and a forum in which you can discuss what dangers you perceive in a more liberal theology than yours.
Should you start threads in any of these fora, or join a discussion already in progress, please PM me to let me know, so that I can participate.

I came to this thread, however, to read about and post on the subject of ghostly phenomena, and all I am asking is that we be free here to do that.

 

[Flynmonkie]

Flynmonkie, lets start from the beginning. I think this is the best place to start because we suffering from some confusion here, but of the normal human variety.
Above is the OP. If you'll read it again, you will see that the subject of this thread is photos, that it's been properly placed in the Hobby Forum, under the heading Photography.
Tangnefedd has made her topic clear, and the topic is neither her personal theology nor yours.
Yes, this is a Christian message board, but it is Erwin's Christian message board, and he welcomes not only Christians of varying theology, but also Non-Christians to be members here.
To avoid confusion of the normal human variety, he has rules in place, an important one being that we all stay on-topic.
Tangnefield did not intend that this thread be theological in nature and has politely said that she doesn't care to continue this discussion with you here, yet you persist in remaining off-topic.
You have brought up such a plethora of points unrelated to the OP that you have enough material in your posts here to start a number of threads in a variety of fora here. If you were to do that, it's even possible that Tangnefield (or I, for that matter) would be interested in participating.
However, what you are doing, possibly with the best of motives, is bringing Tangnefield's discussion to a halt, while doing nothing to further your own.
No one wants to stop you from giving your opinions; you are only being asked to give your opinions in the fora in which your opinions belong.
This is a rule here and it is a good one. It is one which all of us are required to obey to the best of our ability, and we are all more likely to respect your opinions when you are not so carried away by your obvious enthusiasm as to make any discussion of the original OP impossible.

To give you one example of threads in which your posts would be appropriate, there is already a discussion of epilepsy and demon possession in the Charismatic Movement Forum. I have bumped it to enable you to find it easily, and will happily post on the subject with you there.
We have two science forums for you to discuss your experiences with the study of astrophysics, a social sciences forum in which you can express your opinions of the field of psychology, and a forum in which you can discuss what dangers you perceive in a more liberal theology than yours.
Should you start threads in any of these fora, or join a discussion already in progress, please PM me to let me know, so that I can participate.

I came to this thread, however, to read about and post on the subject of ghostly phenomena, and all I am asking is that we be free here to do that.

No problem! Thanks for the update on the rules.But I already got that one. I guess I did not realize until later where I was (what forum) on this one....as it seems others who replied such as myself must have missed that one too. Seems that there are similar posts going on in the Protestant thread with this poster. So it probably would have not even mattered to the several that were concerned if this poster had not been fellowshiping in the Christians Only forums. Not to mention anywhere you go in life as a Christian when someone starts throwing around opinions such as this, you initally worry about misconception, but then when you see a pattern, you become concerned. Someone asked me to take a look at this thread and what was said as that there is another thread set up entirely devoted to this particular posted thread in the Christians Only forums. I did not take a look at where I was at. My bad. A simple matter of navigation on my end! BTW: i never said mental illness was demonic. What I said was in fact the oposite..just want to make sure you are clear on that one! I stand corrected about my posts here and you surly will not have to worry about me.... enjoy your banter!

 

[~PICKLE~]

Tang, Since you seem to know alot about this, I have a ?, A month before my husband father passed he came to visit us and of course we take pictures. We didn't develop the pictures right away, matter of fact it was after he passed. Out of 27 exposers on a role of film 6 were of his dad and the rest was of My son. Those 6 picture have a blur behind him, I wish I knew how to make an attachment cause it's really weird. The pictures of my son came out fine, nothing wrong in any way. But these 6 have this blur. It's hard to discribe. What I was wondering is could this be my husbands mom. Like maybe she was with his dad say a couple of months before he passed. Cause I remember him saying he has never felt better these last couple of months. I mean could she have been with him like to comfort him and get him ready. I know this sounds weird, and believe me I believe in ghost. Seen them and dealt with them. And at the hospital before he passed he had mentioned that he saw her and she told him it wasn't time yet. My husband took that as he had 2 weeks extra to spend with his 3 son's, before he went home. I'm grasping at strings, but I'd really like to hear your input.

 

[Plan 9]

It's interesting that you should say that, Picklereed: my father has been saying lately that he can feel my mother's presence.

 

[Tangnefedd]

Picklereed. I haven't seen your photos and I am not an expert in these matters at all. I do think that before one looks at any sort of paranormal explanation one has to look at the obvious, is your camera misbehaving? Could it be the flash reflecting on something. I don't want to disappoint you, but those are by far the most logical explanations.

 

[Icystwolf]

Ok, everyone stop debating..... the thread is going to be moved into this thread.


http://www.christianforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=1891764#post1891764
Everyone who wants to discuss, these things, go here and talk about it.

Thanks

 

[~PICKLE~]

no i'm sure my camera wasn't acting up. All the other pictures came out clear as day. And it was just regular pictures, nothin' to make a glare. I'll try to figure out how to make an attachment that way, you can see what I'm talking about. It's kind-of freaky, but yet kind-of cool, if tht's what it is.

 

[Tangnefedd]

I would be interested to see it. One of our women's magazines pays £50 for ghostly photos!

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I think demons were invented to explain mental illness. I think science will come up with an explanation for what in inexplicable at present. The strange photos I have are nothing to do with dust particles the words and faces that appear are quite clearly defined.

You are wrong. Exorcisms still take place today. Things happen that you wouldn't believe. Don't play with fire.

 

[Tangnefedd]

I know exorcisms take place, but I still maintain that things that seem demonic are more likely the result of the capacity of the human brain to create all sorts of manifestations rather than anything caused by outside entities.

In the UK there was the most terrible case of a poor little eight year old girl who had a demonic possession exorcism carried out on her by her church. When the child was found dead in a bath in her own excrement, it turned out that her aunt, and aunt's boyfriend, had been abusing the child, the only demons in this case were her abusers! I have read of other cases where people, who have had an illness have had exorcisms performed and have died as a result of lack of medical care.

My daughter is an Anglican Priest and I asked her what she thinks about exorcisms. She says that the Anglican church does not undertake them lightly, and it is almost always the case that phenomena is caused by the interaction of the occupants in the house.