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If you want to talk genocide, let's talk genocide --- let's not bounce around here and go from "every man, woman, and child" to "every male".The Israelites are commanded to kill the males but preserve the women and children of distant nations (not Canaanites) for forced labour in Deuteronomy 20:10-18.
The Bible has no problem in killing the men and saving the women and children of other children, and gives no voice to the fear that their descendants will turn on the Israelites. So why are the Canaanites any different? Are they intrinsically evil or something?If you want to talk genocide, let's talk genocide --- let's not bounce around here and go from "every man, woman, and child" to "every male".
Obviously, you want to leave the discussion about genocide behind now.The Bible has no problem in killing the men and saving the women and children of other children, and gives no voice to the fear that their descendants will turn on the Israelites. So why are the Canaanites any different? Are they intrinsically evil or something?
Woops. That should be: and saving the women and children of other nations.The Bible has no problem in killing the men and saving the women and children of other children, and gives no voice to the fear that their descendants will turn on the Israelites. So why are the Canaanites any different? Are they intrinsically evil or something?
The Bible wasn't around then to read.Because he read it in a Book that he is supposed to learn.
Why should that matter? Do adopted kids in the modern age kill their parents because they come from different ancestries?How do you think little Johnny is going to feel when he sees he's different from his parents genetically
On the orders of God. And if he's a good little Israelite, he'll accept that his God did it and move on.and finds out "mom and dad" killed his biological mom and dad?
Obviously, you want to leave the discussion about genocide behind now.
Nice talking to you.
Because he read it in a Book that he is supposed to learn.
Look at it this way --- you guys should see how you arc and spark when we say we're all sinners.
How do you think little Johnny is going to feel when he sees he's different from his parents genetically, and finds out "mom and dad" killed his biological mom and dad?
If you guys harbor this much disgust at Christianity on a doctrinal level, I'd hate to see what happens when it's on a dynamic level.
Nooj posted in message #41 of this thread:
By what criteria does God choose the elect?
Supralapsarianism?Greetings.
God doesn't choose the elect or pass over the non-elect based on
their actions; he chose or passed over people before the foundation
of the world (Ephesians 1:4), before they had done anything at all
(Romans 9:11). Neither the elect nor the non-elect are righteous;
all are sinners (Romans 3:9-10). The elect were created in order that
through them God might show his mercy and glory (Romans 9:23);
the non-elect were created in order that through them God might
show his wrath and power (Romans 9:22).
God creates some people just to kill them and send them to hell in order to show off his power? That's insanely cruel.Greetings.
God doesn't choose the elect or pass over the non-elect based on
their actions; he chose or passed over people before the foundation
of the world (Ephesians 1:4), before they had done anything at all
(Romans 9:11). Neither the elect nor the non-elect are righteous;
all are sinners (Romans 3:9-10). The elect were created in order that
through them God might show his mercy and glory (Romans 9:23);
the non-elect were created in order that through them God might
show his wrath and power (Romans 9:22).
Lets examine their brutality.The Canaanites were a brutal people who had it coming. Among other things, they sacrificed their children alive to their gods.
When you come into the land that the LORD your God is about to give you, you shall not learn to do like the abhorrent things of these nations. There shall not be found among you one who passes his son or his daughter through fire, a speller of charms (in other translations, 'who pracises divination'), a soothsayer, or a diviner or a sorcerer, or a chanter of incantations or an inquirer of ghost or familiar spirit or one who seeks out the dead. For whosoever does these is the LORD's abhorrence, and because of these abhorrent things the LORD your God is about to dispossess them before you.
AV1611VET posted in message #51 of this thread:
Supralapsarianism?
Nooj posted in message #52 of this thread:
God creates some people just to kill them and send them to hell in
order to show off his power? That's insanely cruel.
Nooj posted in message #52 of this thread:
And if we're all sinners, God's choice is arbitrary isn't it?
Nooj posted in message #52 of this thread:
Isn't the Fall in Eden the start of sin?
Nooj posted in message #52 of this thread:
If Adam and Eve never disobeyed God, what would have happened
to his election? Nullified?
Nooj posted in message #54 of this thread:
Evidently, God considers sacrificing one's children morally equivalent
to speaking to the dead.
If he knew Adam and Eve were going to disobey, why create them?No; God is omniscient. He knew before he even created Adam and
Eve that they would choose to disobey him.
Right, but what I'm asking is why God elects one sinner but doesn't elect another sinner, since we're all born sinners how does he judge which one is worthy of his mercy? It'd be like picking out two identical looking apples, one for eating and another for throwing in the bin.Because we're all sinners (Romans 3:9-10), God can reveal either his
mercy or his wrath through each one of us (Romans 9:22-23).
That's an interesting perspective. But if you believe that the Canaanites were not chosen, the eternity that would await them would be Hell. Even for the children?But ultimately the wages of any sin whatsoever is
death (Romans 6:23). It's easy to forget that even if God had not
commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaanites, the Canaanites
would have eventually died for their sins anyway, if even just from
old age. And compared with eternity, there is no real difference
between a life lasting, say, only two years, and a life lasting only 80
years.
God creates some people just to kill them and send them to hell in order to show off his power? That's insanely cruel.
And if we're all sinners, God's choice is arbitrary isn't it? Isn't the Fall in Eden the start of sin? If Adam and Eve never disobeyed God, what would have happened to his election? Nullified?
When I was a kid, we were taught how to sing 'Joshua fought the battle of Jericho'. They never bothered to explain what happened after the walls came tumbling down.I have to agree with you here.
Anyways, I still find myself a bit miffed about never being told about the 'other' half of the Bible. And I am still a bit confused on the whole right now.
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
I don't usually meet Calvinists.
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
If he knew Adam and Eve were going to disobey, why create them?
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
Were Adam and Eve part of the elect?
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
Right, but what I'm asking is why God elects one sinner but
doesn't elect another sinner, since we're all born sinners how does
he judge which one is worthy of his mercy?
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
It'd be like picking out two identical looking apples, one for eating
and another for throwing in the bin.
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
Is it simply unknowable because only God knows? Do you believe God
even has a reason?
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
But if you believe that the Canaanites were not chosen, the eternity
that would await them would be Hell.
Nooj posted in message #58 of this thread:
Even for the children?
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