Genesis Six Again!?

[Brain Damage]

I believe it has to do with linage but I don't want to take the fun out of this thread...

But while we are on the subject of UFO's , about 20 or more years ago i read a book called "The spaceships of Ezekiel" and the author claimed he used to work for NASA and wth that knowledge was able to construct on paper a viable flying machine from the information given from Ezekiel , and this what he came up with :

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Ezekiel's Wheels with Living Creatures Refers to the [font=Arial,Helvetica]Zodiac and the Gospel in the Heavens[/font]




[font=Arial Narrow, Helvetica][size=+1]Far from being aliens in UFOs ... Ezekiel's living creatures refer to the four points of the zodiac, THEY ARE CHERUBIM. The zodiac alludes to the coming of Christ. Cherubim reflect the glory of God, the zodiac reflects the glory of God, they are all interconnected, according to God's plan.[/size][/font] [font=Arial Narrow, Helvetica][size=+1]The "wheels within wheels" are the terrestrial planets going around in their orbits, "and when the living creatures went", that is, when the constellations of the zodiac went around in the heavens, "the wheels went with them," the planets in their orbits went around with them,"for the living creature was in the wheel", the constellations orbit along a "wheel" as do the planets. As for the "eyes all around", this refers to the Zophim, the Watchers (from the same root as eyes) - and their other celestial counterparts.[/size][/font] http://www.mt.net/~watcher/noah.html

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Angels in Heaven do not Marry

Jesus answering a question from his disciples concerning marriage after the resurrection said:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25) (KJV).

There are those who argue that according to the New Testament words of Jesus angels do not marry, therefore they do not procreate. But there are others who argue that Jesus was speaking of angels "in heaven" and not "fallen angels" who were expelled from Heaven along with Satan (Ezekiel 28:11-19; Isaiah 14:12-15; Revelation 12:9). There are two Scripture verses in the New Testament that provides confirmation and clarification to the "angelic" intrusion of Genesis 6:2:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly" (2 Pet 2:4-5) (KJV).

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". (Jude 1:6) (KJV).

Arthur W. Pink, an English scholar and prolific author of Biblical studies, wrote: "Against the view that "the sons of God" refer to fallen angels, Matt. 22:30 is often cited. But when the contents of this verse are closely studied it will be found there is, really, nothing in it which conflicts with what we have said above (the sons of God are fallen angels). Had our Lord said: "in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God" and stopped there, the objection would have real force. But the Lord did not stop there. He added a qualifying clause about the angels: He said "as the angels of God in heaven." The last two words make all the difference. The angels in heaven neither marry nor are they given in marriage. But the angels referred to in Genesis 6 as the "sons of God" were no longer in heaven: as Jude 6 expressly informs us "they left their own principality". They fell from their celestial position and came down to earth, entering into unlawful alliance with the daughters of men. This, we are assured, is the reason why Christ modified and qualified His assertion in Matt. 22:30. The angels of God in heaven do not marry, but those who left their own principality did."

Another argument would be that human beings can procreate while in this world, but once they leave their inhabitation, they no longer are able to reproduce. The same apply to the angels in heaven, where they cannot procreate, unless they leave heaven to our world, were they may be able to reproduce. http://www.injm.org/Genesis%206%20Project/Genesis%206%20Project%20Intro.htm

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

[url]http://www.inthenameofjesus.org/Genesis%206%20Project/The%20Return%20of%20the%20Nephlim.htm[/url] The return of
the nephilim

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

http://www.levendwater.org/companion/frameset.htm?index.html&inhoudsopgave.htm 21. ENOS. (GEN. 4:26.)
"CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD." "Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah." If this refers to Divine worship it is not true: for Abel and Cain both began, and their descendants doubtless followed their example.



What was really begun was the profanation of the Name of Jehovah. They began to call something by the Name of Jehovah. The A. V. suggests "themselves", in the margin. But the majority of the ancient Jewish commentators supply the Ellipsis by the words "their gods"; suggesting that they called the stars and idols their gods, and worshipped them.

The Targum of Onkelos explains it:

"then in his days the sons of men desisted from praying in the Name of the Lord."

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The Targum of Jonathan says:

"That was the generation in whose days they began to err, and to make themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the Name of the Word of the Lord."

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Kimchi, Rashi, and other ancient Jewish commentators agree with this. Rashi says:

"Then was there profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord."

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Jerome says that this was the opinion of many Jews in his days. Maimonides, in his Commentary on the Mishna (a constituent part of the Talmud), A.D. 1168, in a long treatise on idolatry, gives the most probably account of the origin of idolatry in the days of Enos. The name Enos agrees with this, for his name means frail, weak, sickly, incurable. The sons of men, as "Enosh", are so called for a similar reason (Job 7:17; 15:14. Ps. 9:20; 103:15. Dan. 2:43). See Ap. 14.

If Jonathan, the grandson of Moses, became the first idolatrous priest in Israel (see notes on Judg. 18:30), what wonder that Enos, the grandson of Adam, introduced idolatry among mankind. Moreover, what "ungodliness" did Enoch, "the seventh from Adam" have to prophesy about in Jude 14, 15, if purity of worship was begun in the days of Enos, instead of profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord? Surely this is sufficient evidence that this profanation of the Name of the Lord was the reason why Enoch was raised up to prophesy against it.

 

[ross3421]

Angels in Heaven do not Marry

Jesus answering a question from his disciples concerning marriage after the resurrection said:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25) (KJV).

There are those who argue that according to the New Testament words of Jesus angels do not marry, therefore they do not procreate. But there are others who argue that Jesus was speaking of angels "in heaven" and not "fallen angels" who were expelled from Heaven along with Satan (Ezekiel 28:11-19; Isaiah 14:12-15; Revelation 12:9). There are two Scripture verses in the New Testament that provides confirmation and clarification to the "angelic" intrusion of Genesis 6:2:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly" (2 Pet 2:4-5) (KJV).

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". (Jude 1:6) (KJV).

Arthur W. Pink, an English scholar and prolific author of Biblical studies, wrote: "Against the view that "the sons of God" refer to fallen angels, Matt. 22:30 is often cited. But when the contents of this verse are closely studied it will be found there is, really, nothing in it which conflicts with what we have said above (the sons of God are fallen angels). Had our Lord said: "in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God" and stopped there, the objection would have real force. But the Lord did not stop there. He added a qualifying clause about the angels: He said "as the angels of God in heaven." The last two words make all the difference. The angels in heaven neither marry nor are they given in marriage. But the angels referred to in Genesis 6 as the "sons of God" were no longer in heaven: as Jude 6 expressly informs us "they left their own principality". They fell from their celestial position and came down to earth, entering into unlawful alliance with the daughters of men. This, we are assured, is the reason why Christ modified and qualified His assertion in Matt. 22:30. The angels of God in heaven do not marry, but those who left their own principality did."

Another argument would be that human beings can procreate while in this world, but once they leave their inhabitation, they no longer are able to reproduce. The same apply to the angels in heaven, where they cannot procreate, unless they leave heaven to our world, were they may be able to reproduce. [url="http://www.injm.org/Genesis%206%20Project/Genesis%206%20Project%20Intro.htm"]http://www.injm.org/Genesis%206%20Project/Genesis%206%20Project%20Intro.htm[/url]

Do angels indwell flesh?

 

[justified]

OK kids, I've posted this briefly elsewhere, but you know, why not do it again. I mean, much easier this than someone reading over the 100 threads already in existance on the topic, right?

The actual expression "sons of God," bene elohim, occurs explicitly three other times, all in the very ancient book of Job (1:6; 2:1; 38:7), and in each case the term refers indisputably to angelic beings. These are the beings whom, apparently, were created sometime during the first half of the creation week, probably on the first day (Genesis 2:1; Job 38:4-7; Luke 2:13). Twice in the beginning of the book of Job we read of the sons of God presenting themselves before Him at stated times, and Satan also comes with them as being himself a son of God, though a disobedient, fallen, and rebellious one. In Job 38:7 the morning stars are represented as singing together, and the sons of God as shouting for joy, over the creation of our earth. There are, as well, implicit references to these sons of God in a number of other passages. There is no doubt that, in these passages, the meaning also applies exclusively to the angels

There are problems with the angels thesis. First of all, angels have a term: מלאך (lit: messenger) which corresponds to the NT αγγελος "messenger." Why then is בני-אלהים used instead? (BTW, the use of I Enoch is anachronistic -- it was written mainly to EXPLAIN the absence of information, based upon a hellenistic understanding of the text. Very bad to use it for exegesis in Genesis 6). And it's also wrong to say that "sons of God" occurs only in Job and Genesis. It also most likely occurs in Deuteronomy 32:8: When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. (This is a complicated textual issue, but suffice it to say that there is very good evidence that this is the correct reading). I'm also curious on what evidence "sons of God" in Job must mean "angels" -- I so no reason to do it.

The "sons of Seth" thesis is also wrong. The reasons are as follows:
1. The text says "sons of God." If it had meant sons of seth, it would have said so. If it had meant men, it would have said "sons of men/adam." There is nothing in the text to indicate an allegorical reading of "god" = "righteous."
2. The pericope is new in 6:1 -- do not connect it to the previous narrative. That's bad.

Another note: The book doesn't actually say that the Nephilim (lit: fallen ones) were the children of the unions: in fact, it says that they were "on the earth" at that time. It is the LXX (6:5) which renders the Hebrew Nephilim as γιγαντες (lit: giant ones) -- but there is still no indication that the unions produced the giants.

The theory I like:
Wenham has a suggestion, advanced by other scholars which I think makes the most sense. That theory is simply that the text is a polemic against Canaanite fertility cults. You remember of course that Canaanite shrines had cult prostitutes whom men would come and pay to have sex with; however, it is clear that in these rituals the idea was that the man was "posessed" by the god (a very common idea in the ancient world for which I don't see any use of citing texts), and that the sex was a way to gain the favor of the god. Combine that with Deuteronomy 32 -- the idea that the gods of the land are the "sons" of the one true god -- and you have a possibility for Genesis 6: the reason for the flood was the pagan fertility cults to other gods. Why else is the reason for the flood ascribed to MEN there -- when in fact it was the gods who had come down: except that if it was the pagan cults, then it all makes sense.

 

[Jipsah]

many believe there is more to Alien activity than Hollywood has created.

Many believe that the federal gov't is reading their minds, too. So?

Nonsense you say?

That pretty much sums up my reaction.

Thomas Horn reminds us that "A growing number of Bible scholars believe something unusual is transpiring during so-called alien abduction.

"A growing number", eh? What, there were 4 of 'em, and now there are 5?

They point to Genesis 6 where extraterrestrial visitations and genetic manipulation by supernatural beings may have occurred."

{erhaps they ought to read it instead of just pointing to it. If they did they'd find no mention of "extraterrestrial visitations" or "genetic manipulation", and more than that, no intimation of such things. They've simply made that stuff up, and claimed it's in the Bible. Double plus ungood.

One group, known as "the ancient astronaut school," hold that "divine beings" (B'nai Elohim in Hebrew) were super-intelligent geneticists from outer space that created Homo sapiens by tinkering with primate DNA.

I wonder what they base that belief on? Not the Bible, certainly. And there's nothing in our scientific literature that even hints at such nonsense. So where do they get it? Too much science fiction?

Another more conservative club points to a darker interpretation...Satan (as opposed to aliens) was trying to produce a race of mutant warriors by breeding fallen angels with women."

I think these asr the same people who believe that solar eclipses are caused by a demonic dragon trying to eat the sun.

The Raelian Cult, the same group that claims to have created the world's first clone, say the ancient Elohim were not only real, but that they set up laboratories in and around present-day Israel and created plants, animals, humans and Nephilim through advanced genetic manipulation.

Hey, the Raelians. Now there's a source that I can find credible. <Snicker>

Satan nearly succeeded in wiping out redemption.

These folks obviously have a warped understandiong of the nature of both God and Satan. They're apparently laboring under the delusion that God is the good god and Satan is the bad god, that they're fighting each other and the issue is in doubt. Utter hogwash! Satan is a creature. He is no more capable of "wiping out redemption" than I am of sneezing and causing a hurricane.

This brings a whole new light to the Great Flood.

An idiotic "light", but a new one.

 

[Jipsah]

As the record clearly indicates, the offspring of the unions between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were progeny of the most grotesque sort

It doesn't say that, does it?

, being "giants in the earth," the same being "mighty men which were of old, men of renown,"

It does say that, which, while it indicates that they were good sized old boys, and formidable, say nothing of them being grotesque or monsters. That's simply your eisegesis again.

monsters not only in size but also monsters in wickedness, and they always, without exception, were disposed to thwart the purposes of God (Genesis 6: 1, 2, 4).

That ain't there either. Let's see what it actually says. I'll use the KJV since some folks insist on it:

Genesis 6



1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.



(The Word of the Lord)



You'll find nothing there that refers to these giants as being grotesque, or that all of them were evil, or that they were monsters, or that they were always set on thwarting the will of God. That's all made up out of whole cloth.



What we do see is that "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. " Not that the wickedness of the giants was great, or that the imagination of the "nephilim" was evil continually, he was talking about humanity, i.e., us. Trying to foist all the blame off onto the giants is simply not supported by Scripture.

In the minds of many readers, the first reaction to this passage is such that, in spite of its obvious and clear intent

The obvious and clear intent of the Scripture there has no remote connection to the meaning that you're trying to impose on it.

Often the biases and presuppositions we bring into a matter prevent our understanding and acceptance of its face value and patient meaning.

Or, in the case of "nephilim" fans, their biases and presuppositions lead them to overlay a bogus "meaning" on the Scripture that the words in no way support.

 

[Brain Damage]

Stephen Quayle, in his excellent and highly recommended book, Aliens & Fallen Angels - The Sexual Corruption of the Human Race, suggests that Satan was interbreeding Nephilim to corrupt every living thing God had made - both human and animal

I guess that is why God made a law for people not to have sex with animals , there must have been people doing that stuff and creating manimals.


2Sa 23:20 - Show Context And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two lionlike men of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:

1Ch 11:22 - Show Context Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.

 

[ross3421]

Job 1:5,6 -Now there was a day when the Sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them".

There is no question that the "sons of God" are angelic in nature as Satan himself came with them and that this event took place in the heavens.

Angels = spirits

Thus what we have is a demonic indwelling of men which in turned had offspring with women. Thus being fiiled with an unholy spirits they in turn raised there offspring to worship Satan. Same is true in reverse as us being filled with a holy spirit.

Now in interesting parrallel of theses daughters and men which had offspring as it appears that they were of Job........


Job 42:15 - "and in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job.....".


Job 1:5,6 - ".....and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, it may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus Job did continually".

Gen 6:1-5 - "and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh; yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when thesons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually".

There is to be a repeat of this indwelling which can be seen in the 5th trumpet and vials........

As in the day of Noah so shall the coming of the son of man be......


In Christ, Mark.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Can angels and aliens be the same entities? Concerning their differences, most people make two assumptions:



[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]1. Many people think that angels are purely spiritual beings, and can’t assume physical form. This concept is derived from ancient legends, scriptures, and pictures of angels as being glorified and holy, glowing with the power of God, and wearing brilliantly illuminating white robes. People don’t think of angels as needing technology, because they have innate power, and are capable of going anywhere, and doing anything they so desire, simply by the sheer power of their will. In most respects, they are thought of as messengers and guardians; protectors of humanity assigned by God Himself to help us.[/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Aliens, on the contrary, are usually depicted as physical beings like humans. They depend on their highly advanced technology, which aids them in all of their activities. Aliens aren’t typically thought of as divine helpers on missions assigned by God, but rather, scientists from other worlds. They are keenly intelligent, perhaps much more so than humans judging by the accounts of the sophistication of their technology. At best, they are thought of as helpers, though their methods are chaotic and uncaring on the micro level. Some people think they are simply curious about humans, just as humans are curious about them. Other people, especially those who’ve experience alien abductions, think they are utterly terrifying, and downright evil in their abusive treatment of humans.[/font]



[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]2. Most people believe that angels are in heaven, and demons, or fallen angels, are trapped in hell. Aliens, on the other hand, if they exist, are free to roam about in outer space. The confusion here comes from the fact that people generally define heaven and hell as spiritual places beyond our reality, while outer space is within our reality[/font]. [font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Are angels physical beings?[/font]



[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]As for the issue of angels being physical beings, the fact of the matter is, some angels can assume a physical form as we might define physical. It may even be the natural state of some of them. In scripture, we find angels performing many tasks that require physical bodies. For an example, examine the angels that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.[/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Genesis 19:1-3 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.[/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]In order to talk with Lot like a normal person, eat food, and grab and pull Lot’s arm on two occasions, (later in the same chapter), they had to be physical entities. [/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]There are two extreme examples of angels performing activities that make it very difficult to refute their physical nature. The first example is when Jacob, patriarch of the Old Testament, even wrestled with an angel (Genesis 32:24-30, also referred to in Hosea 12:2-4). [/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Genesis 32:24-30 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]24[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.[/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Hosea 2:2-4 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]2The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him. He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed. The other extreme example is found in Genesis chapter 6 and is also referred to in Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4. [/font]



[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Genesis 6:1-13 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Jude 1:6 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[/font]2 Peter 2:4-6[font=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly

A "Close Encounter" of an Unusual Kind

Clearly, angels of God are also called "sons of God." The Scriptures also tell us that angels of God have the ability or capacity to appear in the flesh, as human beings. In fact, three angels, appearing as human beings, came to Abraham. We read of the "close encounter" of an unusual kind in Genesis:

• "And the LORD appeared unto him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, and said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant" (Gen.18:1-3).
  

Abraham recognized one of them. Evidently the Lord, the one who became the Christ or Messiah, appeared to him in a form in which he had seen him before -- as Melchisedek, "king of Salem," who was "priest of the most high God" (compare Gen.14:18-20). Abraham recognized him and prepared a feast for them. At this juncture the Lord promised that Sarah would have a son -- by a miracle -- within the year (Gen.18:4-15).

These angelic beings, in human form, are called "men" in verse 16. Notice! "And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children, and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom; but Abraham stood yet before the LORD" (Gen.18:16-22).

These two angels, disguised as men, went to Sodom, where they encountered Abraham's nephew, Lot. We read in Genesis 19:

• "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; and he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat" (Gen.19:1-3).
  

Notice! This event occurred right around Passover, in the spring. Lot was observing the Feast of Unleavened Bread, about 400 years before God revealed this Feast to Israel during the time of Moses, after their lengthy sojourn in Egypt as slaves. Evidently, the knowledge of the annual sabbaths, together with the weekly sabbath, had become LOST while Israel was enslaved in Egypt! The annual holy days of God, however, like the weekly Sabbath, go back to Creation! We read in the book of Jubilees, a very important book in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, "And the Lord set the sun as a great sign upon the earth for days, sabbaths, months, feast (days), years, sabbaths of years, jubilees, and for all of the (appointed) times of the years" (Jubilees 2:9).



In the New Testament, too, we find that angels can appear disguised as human beings. The apostle Paul wrote in the book of Hebrews, alluding to Lot's entertaining the two strangers, who were actually angels, when he declared: "Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares" (Heb.13:1). That the fallen angles had the power to change themselves into the form of men is recorded in The Lost Books of The Bible and The Forgotten Books of Eden, "Testament of Reuben", 2:18-19, page 223:

• 18 For thus they (the women) allured the Watchers (fallen angels) who were before the flood; for as these continually beheld them, they lusted after them, and they conceived the act in their mind; for they changed themselves into the shape of men, and appeared to them when they were (possibly not) with their husbands. 19 And the women lusting in their minds after their forms, gave birth to giants, for the Watchers appeared to them as reaching even unto heaven.
  
  

With this exceptionally outstanding passage, we can more wholly comprehend what it means in Jude 6, the fallen "angels which kept not their first estate."

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[ross3421]

DMQ,

I see it that angels are not in themselves physical however can indwell flesh in which they become physical.

I don't believe in Aliens as the world sees it, however if you are saying the in the spiritual world that angels are aliens then I can agree.

I have written a lengthy paper on the subject which my previous post was a portion. Below shows that angels are ministering spirits in which upon salvation we are indwelt.

"thousands of ministering spirits"

Matt 3:11 - ".....he shall baptize you with the holy ghost, and with fire:"

Heb 1:7 - "and of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire".

Heb 1:14 - "are they (angels) not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?".



Who are the heirs of salvation? We are. Then how does an angel (spirit) minister unto us?He is sent forth and indwells us at the point of salvation!! Is this what is meant by being baptized with "fire" and do we see this miraculous event at pentecost and at the baptizing of jesus?

Acts 2:3,4 - "and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the holy ghost.....".

Matt 3-16 - "and jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the spirit of god descending like a dove, and lightning upon him:".

Even though we are unable to physically see this event in our lives, we sure can feel a immediate difference that has happened when we accept christ. In the next verse we see that we are not born with this spirit, but it is received when we are born again.

John 3:6 - "that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not that i said unto thee, ye must be born again".

Could this somehow be the angels desire? To indwell flesh for to minister?

1 pt 1:12 - "unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they (prophets) did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the holy ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into".

If an angel (spirit) is waiting for a persons acceptance of jesus to indwell them, this might give an answer of the use of personal adjectives such as "their", "his", or "mine", when describing angels and give understanding to the phase "guardian angels".

Matt 18:10 - "take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for i say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my father which is in heaven".

Mark.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

[url]http://dons.usfca.edu/jeffam2/angels1.htm[/url] THERE OWN KINDA FLESH ..1 Cor.15:39-40-- "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

Matthew24:24
For thereshall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signsand wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible,they shall deceive thevery elect.[font=Arial,Helvetica,Monaco]"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise and show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." ~Mark 13:22.[/font]The reason the very elect aren't deceived, is they have taken the time to understand the correct intrepretations of events concerning the "end times" in the Bible for themselves, and have not let the cares of the world nor the deceitfulness of riches,or the lust other things, take precedence over the things of God, one of which is studing the Word of God, which is the Bible. They allow the Holy Spirit reveal to them the truth concerning things to come, not man.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

TOOK WIVES=ABDUCTEDThe strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were clearly understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels. They were engaged in creating angel-human hybrid offspring known as the "Nephalim."Even the word used in Genesis 6 for "took [wives]" means "capture, seize, to be taken away, be removed, to be taken out of", which is eerily similar to the abduction phenomenon of our time. Sexual acts and experimentation are also commonly reported among abductees.These bizarre events are also echoed in the legends and myths of every ancient culture upon the earth: the ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and virtually all the others. Even the early church fathers wrote and believed this doctrine.I believe that II Thessalonians 2 refers to the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit that holds the full force of evil back. If indeed that the appointed time has come, and is nearing a point of fullness, then it is not hard to understand what is really happening in the spiritual realm today.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

[url]http://www.piney.com/FathClementRecogHomVIII.html#P4355_1295663[/url] Fallen Angels And Giants Clement Homily --Metamorphoses of the fallen Angels.--The Fall of the fallen Angels.--The Giants.--Cannibalism.! ......................

Chapter XII.Metamorphoses of the fallen Angels.

"For of the spirits who inhabit the heaven, 13 the angels who dwell in the lowest region,

being grieved at the ingratitude of men to God, asked that they might come into the life of men, that, really becoming men, by more intercourse they might convict those who had acted ungratefully towards Him,

and might subject every one to adequate punishment.

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When, therefore, their petition was granted, they metamorphosed themselves into every nature; for, being of a more godlike substance, they are able easily to assume any form.

So they became precious stones, and goodly pearl, and the most beauteous purple, and choice gold, and all matter that is held in most esteem. And they fell into the hands of some, and into the bosoms of others, and suffered themselves to be stolen by them.

They also changed themselves into beasts and reptiles, and fishes and birds, and into whatsoever they pleased. These things also the poets among yourselves, by reason of fearlessness, sing, as they befell, attributing to one the many and diverse doings of all.

But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 2 Cor 11:12

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2 Cor 11:13
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14

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[DeepMindQuest]

THERE OWN KINDA FLESH
1 Cor.15:39-40-- "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."
GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH
As to the specific sin of these angels, we are given the facts in Jude 7. As in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah it was the sin of "fornication" and it means "going after strange flesh."
"Strange" flesh means flesh of a different kind (Greek "heteros"). To commit this particularly repugnant sin, the angels had to abandon their own domain and invade a realm that was divinely forbidden to them.
"These angels transgressed the limits of their own natures to invade a realm of created beings of a different nature." (6)
The mingling of these two orders of being, was contrary to what God had intended, and summarily led to God's greatest act of judgment ever enacted upon the human race.
2 Peter 2: 4-6 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5) And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eight person, a preacher of
righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly, 6) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly..." KJV Jude 6-7 "6) And the angels which kept not their * first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
* original place with God.. KJV
From these two passages, it is clear that Peter and Jude both affirm that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were angels, who committed fornication.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The cited passage has nothing to do with aliens marrying earthlings. If you read it in context--with the parallel genealogies of the wicked line of Cain and the righteous line of Seth--it is rather easy to figure out that the "divine beings" (a dubious translation of what is elsewhere rendered "sons of God") are the righteous descendents of Seth and the "daughters of men" are the wicked descendants of Cain. The result of these intermarriages can only be what follows in the subsequent chapters: an increase of evil throughout the earth which becomes so intense that God has to wipe out the entire human race, except for Noah and his family, and start over after the flood.

Genesis 6 in Hebrew says sons of God took daughters of Adam, not daughters of Seth: ; the Hebrew is plain.
Jude calls the act 'fornication' and the angels who sinned were chained in Sheol below until the return of Jesus and the appointed day of their judgment as a warning to others who would be tempted to do the same thing -the only 'others' who could be tempted to do the same would be other watchers -angels of the same order- who can appear as men, who are set over earth.

and Jude also calls sodomy fornication and the brimstone and fire destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain was also a warning to others who would be tempted to do the same thing.
Angels still sinned in fornication after the flood -Goliath was a descendent of a nephillim's son, Anak, who came of them, and the destruction will be terrible in the day of judgment for those who did not heed the warning just as the judgment will be terrible in the day of judgment for those who do not heed the warning of Sodom and Gommorah and do the same thing.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

DMQ,

I see it that angels are not in themselves physical however can indwell flesh in which they become physical.

I don't believe in Aliens as the world sees it, however if you are saying the in the spiritual world that angels are aliens then I can agree.

I have written a lengthy paper on the subject which my previous post was a portion. Below shows that angels are ministering spirits in which upon salvation we are indwelt.

"thousands of ministering spirits"

Matt 3:11 - ".....he shall baptize you with the holy ghost, and with fire:"

Heb 1:7 - "and of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire".

Heb 1:14 - "are they (angels) not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?".



Who are the heirs of salvation? We are. Then how does an angel (spirit) minister unto us?He is sent forth and indwells us at the point of salvation!! Is this what is meant by being baptized with "fire" and do we see this miraculous event at pentecost and at the baptizing of jesus?

Acts 2:3,4 - "and there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the holy ghost.....".

Matt 3-16 - "and jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the spirit of god descending like a dove, and lightning upon him:".

Even though we are unable to physically see this event in our lives, we sure can feel a immediate difference that has happened when we accept christ. In the next verse we see that we are not born with this spirit, but it is received when we are born again.

John 3:6 - "that which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not that i said unto thee, ye must be born again".

Could this somehow be the angels desire? To indwell flesh for to minister?

1 pt 1:12 - "unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they (prophets) did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the holy ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into".

If an angel (spirit) is waiting for a persons acceptance of jesus to indwell them, this might give an answer of the use of personal adjectives such as "their", "his", or "mine", when describing angels and give understanding to the phase "guardian angels".

Matt 18:10 - "take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for i say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my father which is in heaven".

Mark.

For heaven's sake No!
that would be possessioon!
Angels have their own bodies and do not indwell human beings.

YHWH is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship in Spirit and in Truth". Our Adam spirit is dead as a son of God for the Father to indwell since the fall; but the second created human being is the Living Spirit in flesh, and He is come to bring many sons to "Glory" -for the Father to indwell in His Spirit. The Father has no form or body but is pure Spirit and made many "houses" to indwell in His glory.

Adam was a human being house for the Father to indwell: sons of God of all orders are houses for the Father to indwell in His glory.

Demons are disembodied sons of the fallen angels -foul, unclean spirits, who differ in degrees of wickedness- who roam earth seeking' houses' to indwell: and that is possession: Scripture says they will never rise in their bodies [cause they were taken from Adam flesh but are not Adam spirit] but will be cast into everlasting fire at the return of Jesus to reign over His ransomed kingdom, when all the wicked will be gathered and burnt: .

Malachi 2:15 shows that Adam was made of one spirit because the Creator sought "sons of God" =godly seed, to indwell in His glory: Genesis 5:2 shows that both persons, the male and the female are called Adam; which shows our human being kind in Adam is "one" being, and all we are the multiplied seed of the one.

But Adam is dead in the one spirit as "Adam, son of God" -Luke 3:38; and must be born new, joined to the One Living Spirit of the second human being, which Spirit is Christ, the Living Spirit, YHWH from heaven come in flesh of the second creation, as Firstborn and Elect Son; and that New Man birth in Spirit is called re-generation, or the "New Birth", generation again. Jesus taught about that in John chapter 3.

When we rise in the resurrection -if we are born again in His Spirit of regeneration as sons of God- then we will be changed elementally in our bodies, also, which is re-generation in bodies, and called New Birth of the body, and the change is into a body like His New Man, fully human being image; and that is the "perfect man" He came to bring us to, as adopted sons of God in Him, for the Father to indwell in His glory:

then, our new name will be called "Israel"; for the old man is Adam, the New Man is Israel, who is the chosen, elect, anointed Son of Man/Son of God who ransomed earth as Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam, the only other created human being [dead in spirit] brother, to the New Man.