Genesis - Regarding Origins

[TheScottsMen]

support or create a postion?

Each Day of creation had a morning and an evening.

My view is directly from the Bible. And you are correct, each day had a morning and evening. Where did I debate this? I simply said it was a re-creation of the natural earth. How about sticking to scripture here? I've posted enough scripture to print 6-7 pages worth of stuff. Can you only try to make slick comments? Sorry my friend, your response to everything I have posted has been weak Prove my scriptures to be wrong. Or can't you? Will you just respond with a "haha, yeah, well, your stuff is wrong, so ne ne". Prove me wrong.

 

[Anthony]

Everything I posted I got from the Bible. but there's one thing about it.. Everyone see's something different. I was just posting what I have always seen. If I'm wrong, which I'm willing to admit to, but as of yet, I still see it the same way..

Wrong ? Right ? we will never know until after we die. Until then it's just a interesting exchange of opinions

 

[enoch son]

What I believed yesterday about creation is no more. CREATION IS THE CROSS! It has always been the cross everything else is just nothing. When Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED" on the cross He was speaking of the creation. Show me anywhere else GOD said the creation was finished in the book? WE ARE THE FRISTBORN OF THE NEW CREATION! THE BEGINNING AND THE END. (REV. 22-12)

 

[TheScottsMen]

Enoch Son:
We were not debating the "new creation" or anything at all like that But the order in which God put the earth together. Kinda taken the thread off topic with that post

 

[Aduro Amnis]

Since YECism is falsehood and OEC and Gap Theory's are yet to be proven... I'm a Evolutionary Theist.

Genesis 1:1-2 is solely spiritual and meant to let Moses and his people know that he loved them ... We know through Christ he loves us now and thus we have discovered that the universe is 14 billion years old and the Earth is 4.6 Billion yeras old.

 

[TheScottsMen]

I've noticed something. The only two people who have posted scripture in support of their opinion are Dids and I. Anyone can have an opinion, but how about some support from the good Book? I could say God is really Satan and have an opinion on it, but it doesn't mean anything if I can't back it up in scripture

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I've noticed something. The only two people who have posted scripture in support of their opinion are Dids and I. Anyone can have an opinion, but how about some support from the good Book? I could say God is really Satan and have an opinion on it, but it doesn't mean anything if I can't back it up in scripture

 

[enoch son]

Scottman: I'm on topic I said you do not understand the creation at all. That the earth and adam is nonsense, and means nothing. Creation begain and ended at the cross before all that has come in to being. JUST THINK ABOUT IT!

 

[Svt4Him]

Well, let me start.

Genesis 1
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1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.​

This would say to me there is no gap. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.​

The whole bases for the gap is how one translates "was". The Young Literal Translation says:​

1In the beginning of God’s preparing the heavens and the earth—2the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, 3and God saith, ‘Let light be;’ and light is.​

I see very little support for 'became'. As for YE being wrong, I have yet to see how that is proven. What happened to dinosaurs? What happened to man living almost 1000 years? What happened to giants? And don't post to Job? Why not? Anyone who says it's a hippo hasn't really read it well. ​

As for the difference b/t Gen 1 and Gen 2, one is a macro view, one a micro view, but they are not different. ​

 

[Anthony]

Most opinions come from someplace, those of us here, have form opinions from reading and studing the Bible. Attaching "verses" in and of itself doesn't change a posted opinion. With or without "scripture" the opinion is still anopinion. Anyone can cut-n-paste 5, 10 or 15 verses under their opinion, say "look I supported my opinion"?

When there is a consensus of opinion from a large body of people, backed by scripture do opinions take on more weight. Where is there a consensus of opinion in the Christian Community for a race of men and woman before Adam?

What was the understanding of who Adam was to the Apostles?

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--RO 5:12

Was there a pre-sin period as well? These pre-adam men and women; did not sin?

 

[TheScottsMen]

Most opinions come from someplace, those of us here, have form opinions from reading and studing the Bible. Attaching "verses" in and of itself doesn't change a posted opinion. With or without "scripture" the opinion is still anopinion

Then I guess there are no absolutes. John 3:16 means what it does because their is a consensus of opinion that backs it up. I guess when the consensus changes on John 3:16 it will change the meaning of it. The Pharisees held the consennsus that Jesus was not God in the flesh. Guess they were right also? Majority rules right

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--RO 5:12


Was there a pre-sin period as well? These pre-adam men and women; did not sin?

Sure. The recreated earth did start with 1 man. I don't see any reason to argue this? Death came to all who came from the loins of Adam. I'll get back on my rebuttal of pre-adam period after work.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Also, I noticed that Young Earth is the majority. How about some scripture? Also, could a YEC answer some of my earlier questions? I'm getting alot of responses on how I'm wrong, but how about some scripture?

 

[TheScottsMen]

When there is a consensus of opinion from a large body of people, backed by scripture do opinions take on more weight. Where is there a consensus of opinion in the Christian Community for a race of men and woman before Adam?

Hmm, lets follow this thought. There are over 1 billion Catholics in the world. They by far hold the consenus of opinion on that Mary was sinless. Because this doctrine carries much "weight" by the hundreds of millions of followers, I guess its right?

 

[TheScottsMen]

Also, as for "creating" a position. Go back to my 15th post. Seems to me my 'creation' is a continuing theme that flows through the bible. Not only does each point hold a scripture, but each point holds more then 3 scriptures to back it up. As for any other view on creation that is backed up? I see none. The only weight I need to back up a view is scripture weight. I could care less on "opinion" weight.

 

[Trish1947]

SvtForHim

As for the difference b/t Gen 1 and Gen 2, one is a macro view, one a micro view, but they are not different. ​

9th March 2004 06:04 AM
[/QUOT
Referring to Gen 1 & 2
I'm not sure what "macro view" means. Can you explain? I was thinking that God must have changed his mind about putting the first creation to subdue the earth actually, and decided to put them in a garden instead, to be garden tenders? Or, God was right all along, and did make two different peoples on the planet, also at a different time frame. Each with a different purpose and intent. And if He didnt do that, Then God was just repeating himself in Gen 1 & 2.?

 

[Heinrich]

Hi there

For those that are really intrested intrested in all the various ideas and problems and arguments and apologetics and information and knowledge around creation and evolution ect goto:
www.answersingenesis.com
(I'll advice you to start in the Q&A section!)

So what are we to believe? Evolution? Evolution is scientifically wrong
gap theory? I don't really understand that.. there is something about it on the web-site.. I'm not going to answer anything on it.
Creation in Genesis is not that complicated.. 6 days.. everything created..
(althought Jesus added some fish and bread later sorry offtopic)
I see a trend here that people try to "fit" in all sorts of theories in this somehow.. I will not say if this is right or wrong.. but I can't exactly see why you would want todo that?

Why believe in creation (6 days about 6000years ago?)
Well lets start this way.
Why did Jesus die on the cross?
Simple: for the forgiveness of sin and to make a way to the father. THE REDEMPTION OF MANKIND! so that we may LIVE! to conqour death itself!

So why is there sin and death and all these things in the world?
Because man sinned against God and therefore sin entered into the world.
And when sin entered into the world death also entered into the world. And sickness and all those nasty things. And then the "perfectly" created world of God was "destroyed/damaged" by sin.

If you stuck in any of these other theories you basicly say: God created a world with sickness death (and probably sin also).

Anyways once you figured out that all these "science" around evolution and these things are just as mumbo jumbo as "aliens dropped man on the earth with a stick to make fire" then stop arguing over it. Pray to God if this matters to you so much.
I know it might be too difficult for some to grasp and believe God created earth in 6 days.. o well.. God deals differently on different people.

But then again it's AWSOME to serve a GOD that CREATED EVERYTHING in only 6 DAYS! and did it PERFECTLY.. WOW! what a great GOD.