Genesis Question

[Chris Green]

in genesis 2 it says that he made woman because man was lonely

but in genesis1 it says "27 So God created man in his own image, ?****** in the image of God he created him; ?****** male and female he created them"


confused

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello Chris Green.

I'm confused by what you are asking. I see no problem with these verses. In Genesis 1:27 God created man (humanity) in his own image and also God created humans as male and female. The Hebrew word for man is the generic term for mankind. It doesn't necessarily mean a male human. This verse doesn't say anything about why God made males and females. Just that He created humans, making them male and female.

In Genesis 2:18 God uses that same Hebrew term to mean a male human. He then makes a female human. They have both been created in the image of God. I don't see your problem.

Are you confused over the sequence of events? As in Revelations what is reported is not strictly straight line reporting. The author goes back and looks at the same events from a different angle.

Pax

 

[Chris Green]

Are you confused over the sequence of events?

Pax

Yeah, thats what confused me.

I am presuming now that Genesis 2 is a look back at specific parts of Genesis 1 ??

 

[AngCath]

The creation accounts should not be read as though in sequence. Chapter 1 is a theological lesson on creation. Chapter 2, is a more historical look at the happenings of creation itself. Trying to piece them together as historical is a vain attempt that has missed the point.

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello Angcath.

I don't want to read into your post what is not there, but it strikes me that you make too much of a dicotomy between sections of Genesis. All of God's Word is both true (historical) and theological. Context is of course important and often neglected. Chapter 1 is historical, true, and non-fictional.

Pax

 

[AngCath]

I do not deny any of what you said.
However, chapters 1 & 2 are not the same narrative. they describe the same thing but with differant intents. Much like the 4 Gospel accounts, all true, differant intents.

 

[Zadok7000]

in genesis 2 it says that he made woman because man was lonely

but in genesis1 it says "27 So God created man in his own image, ?****** in the image of God he created him; ?****** male and female he created them"


confused

A perfectly valid question!! I asked this myself many years ago. After asking many many people and then studying it without man's traditions clouding the issue, I can tell you that all the denominations have gotten this one wrong.
You really need to go into the Hebrew to get the Truth of it. Be warned, my answer is very "controversial":

Genesis 1 and 2 are NOT describing the same event. There is a 6th day creation AND an 8th day creation of flesh man. GOD is NOT repeating HIMself. The Hebrew words are different.

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello Zadok7000

Oh please. You've studied it "without man's traditions"? How, been living on a dessert island your whole life? Give me a break. Nobody but you has ever "gone to the Hebrew"? Go ahead, I've got to hear this one, two creations? Lay it on me baby, I need a good laugh.

Pax

 

[Zadok7000]

Hello Zadok7000

Oh please. You've studied it "without man's traditions"? How, been living on a dessert island your whole life? Give me a break. Nobody but you has ever "gone to the Hebrew"? Go ahead, I've got to hear this one, two creations? Lay it on me baby, I need a good laugh.

Pax

Sow discord much?

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello Zadok7000.

Ignore questions much?

You brought this nonsense up, if you don't want to defend it that's fine with me.

Pax

 

[Zadok7000]

Hello Zadok7000.

Ignore questions much?

You brought this nonsense up, if you don't want to defend it that's fine with me.

Pax

Why would anyone answer a mocking question? Get your "laughs" somewhere else.

I will answer sincere questions from my Brethren in CHRIST - preferably from the starter of the thread.

 

[dignitized]

in genesis 2 it says that he made woman because man was lonely

but in genesis1 it says "27 So God created man in his own image, ?****** in the image of God he created him; ?****** male and female he created them"


confused

could it be possible that gen 1 and gen 2 are two different creations?

 

[pimorton]

I've heard Tony Campolo explain it in this way that makes very much sense to me:

God originally created man (Adam) in His image. God, Who is referred to in scripture as Father and Mother in different passages, includes both male and female attributes - strong, macho attributes, and caring, tender attributes. When God made man in His own image, Adam had both male and female attributes, just like God.
In chapter 2, when God had all the animals come before Adam to see what he would name them, there was none found suitable for him. It doesn't say that he was lonely; only that there was no animal found for Adam to fulfill the commandment to be fruitful and multiply.
So God caused a deep sleep to fall over Adam, and He removed from him a "rib" from his side. Actually this "rib" was Adam's female side, which God formed into a sexually compatible mate for Adam.

 

[GenemZ]

in genesis 2 it says that he made woman because man was lonely

but in genesis1 it says "27 So God created man in his own image, ?****** in the image of God he created him; ?****** male and female he created them"


confused

The Hebrew reveals two different things were going on.

In Genesis 1:27, God "created."

The Hebrew word is "bara." This word when used in association with God, means to create something out from nothing.

In Genesis 2? Bara, is not used! The Hebrew word is "yatsar," which means to mold and form something from existing materials.

What was created in God's image was not a body. God has no hands and eyes, etc. God is invisible. So, what was created "out from nothing" was the invisible human soul. Male and female souls.

In Genesis 2? We see the bringing about a body for the soul to live in. That is why the body was lifeless until God breathed into the nostrils the soul he had already created!

Without seeing the Hebrew we can not see what was going on. Matter of fact, it states that God rested from creating (bara), after Genesis 1 was completed. In Genesis 2, we no longer see God creating out from nothing (bara).

Genesis 2:2-3 niv
"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating (bara) that he had done."

No more "bara." God rested from creating "out from nothing."

Yet, God now worked with what he had already created, by molding and forming (yatsar) a body from the elements of the earth to be a house for the soul he had already "bara'd" in Genesis 1:27!

Hope that helps clarify!

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[dignitized]

Where did God create man in chapter 1? Where did God create and place adam in chapter 2? Are they the same place?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Ahhhh....

Lots of different ways of viewing Genesis 1:2-2:3 and then Genesis 2:4 and following.


Same Thing? Different viewpoints?
Yup, I suppose most see them and ESSENTIALLY teaching the same process - just with different intents. Don't get caught up in the details (they don't fit very well), but see the theological lessons involved. Some in this thread expressed this view pretty well.


Two Accounts? One Creation?

This view says that 1:1 is a general proclaimation of God as the Creator. Then we have edited together TWO different accounts of that Creation.
NOTE: Neither of them starts at the beginning - with nothing!

Some say these are TWO Creation accounts.
They are not suggesting two different creations but two different processes.


The first better known account is "P" Source

Note the order: Begins with water everywhere. Then: light, firmament, land, vegetation, luminaries, birds, fish, animals, man/woman.


The Second one is "J" Source

Note the order: Begins with Begins with dry desert. Then: Water, male, plants, animals, female.


I don't know...
Frankly, I'm not at all sure Genesis is attempting to tell how HOW God did it at all! I suspect our worldview is being imputed into things written THOUSANDS of years ago by people who didn't think too much about astrophysics or biological origins and genetics.


Good discussion...


MY view (or lack thereof)...


Keep the faith! Share the love!


- Josiah



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[Zadok7000]

Where did God create man in chapter 1? Where did God create and place adam in chapter 2? Are they the same place?

The man/woman of Gen. 1 were hunters/fishers/gatherers. HE placed them all over the earth to "subdue" it. They were "created" (Hebrew "bara").
Adam/Eve of Gen. 2 were farmers. To wit, "there was not a man to till the ground" AFTER the 7th day. HE placed them in a seperate garden "eastward in Eden". Adam was "formed" (Hebrew "yatsar").

Is this not enough Biblical evidence to prove the typical teachings TOTALLY wrong???

 

[dignitized]

The man/woman of Gen. 1 were hunters/fishers/gatherers. HE placed them all over the earth to "subdue" it. They were "created" (Hebrew "bara").
Adam/Eve of Gen. 2 were farmers. To wit, "there was not a man to till the ground" AFTER the 7th day. HE placed them in a seperate garden "eastward in Eden". Adam was "formed" (Hebrew "yatsar").

Is this not enough Biblical evidence to prove the typical teachings TOTALLY wrong???

God created man on the 6th day. Does it say that he breathed the breathe of life into 6th day man? 2 different accounts of 2 different creations. Adam was created on the 8th day - which is why a boy was circumcised on the 8th day - which is why he rose on the 8th day which is why pentecost was on the 8th day - which is why we worship on the 8th day . . . .

 

[GenemZ]

The man/woman of Gen. 1 were hunters/fishers/gatherers. HE placed them all over the earth to "subdue" it. They were "created" (Hebrew "bara").

God only gave plants for food in Genesis 1. They were not fishers and hunters.

29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

Animals were not given for food until after the flood!

Genesis 9:1-3 niv
" Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."


As you can see, God gave no man animals for food until after the flood.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Zadok7000]

God only gave plants for food in Genesis 1. They were not fishers and hunters.

29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

Animals were not given for food until after the flood!

Genesis 9:1-3 niv
" Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."


As you can see, God gave no man animals for food until after the flood.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

Even IF that were the case, Noah and his family were Adam's decendants, not the 6th day man.

Where did Cain'w wife come from???