Genesis One

Aman777 said:

It's because our cosmos was NOT made until the 3rd Day/Age. Gen 2:4 The FIRST firmament/heaven/cosmos was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 This leaves some 9 Billion years which Scientist know nothing of since it happened before the big bang of our world.

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Sheer speculation.

Hey Aman, didn't you have a lot of your bible interpretation written out and on sale somewhere?

Aman777 said:

Then pretend that you know the Truth but are unable to defend it. Amen?

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Thedictator said:

I sorry but in no way does the Bible say that the 7 days of Genesis are 24 hours periods,

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Why don't you take some time to review Genesis chapter 1?

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God was careful to guard against skeptics and evolutionists by repeating that phrase "and the evening and the morning" six times.

The Hebrew day begins at sunset and ends at sunset the next day. That is 24 hours for each day. Those are all normal 24 hours. Our clocks may count from midnight to midnight but it makes no difference.

And in order to further safeguard against skeptics and evolutionists, God embedded those six days in the Ten Commandments.

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11)

Now no one has an excuse to disbelieve the Bible.

Aman777 said:

BTW, I'm the youngest of the young earthers since I show Scripture which shows that the FIRST Day began less than 6 Days ago, in God's Time.

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IOW you are just a babe in the woods.

Aman777 said:

No one else can refute it either, including you. Amen?

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Trivial. If all language and culture and some genetics of all of humanity came from and a family in the middle east 11 thousand years ago, we'd have evidence in our language, cultures and genes... we don't, so your idea is wrong.

Aman777 said:

How do we know that your Gospel (Greek-good news) is the right one and HOW do we get it's saving grace? There is but ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ and it's listed in l Cor 15. Preaching "another Gospel" is prohibited:

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

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I'm the one that mentioned 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and I agree with what Galatians 1:8 says.

So, did I "preach" something different? Tell me what your referring to.

Aman777 said:

Many people teach that the Bible is the Gospel while ignoring the true Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, His death for our sins, according to the Scriptures, being buried and arising on the third day, according to the Scriptures.

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The true gospel IS the bible. Bible just means book in latin and greek, but the bible is the gospel, the word of God, who is author of the bible using men to write the words down.

I understand what the gospel is. I see it right there in 1 Cor. 15. As I stated before the OT is more of a "tutor" for us today, but the "handwriting" of the OT has been "blotted out" and He has made for us a "new covenant".

Aman777 said:

The importance is that believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ can make us alive forever, so the emphasis should be on His Gospel (good news).

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Many people say the gospel is "the good news". How do you obey "the good news"?
The gospel is the death burial and resurrection. It is good news for all, but its not "the good news" (I hope you understand what I mean).

This is how one obeys the gospel ---> Romans 6:1-5

Aman777 said:

My point is to the honor to Jesus Christ instead of the broader view. Amen?

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Wasn't that my point in my very first post I made?

I don't get why your bringing attention to me, nor where your going with this on me since it was me that mentioned the very things your telling me.

I'm confused here.

Aman777 said:

The Jewish Religion thinks the O.T. is the entire Bible. That's why I asked Which Gospel? Some teach another Gospel.

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Oh okay. Yes, I believe in the entire bible OT and NT but that we are under the new covenant and the OT is more of just a tutor.

Thanks for explaining what you meant.

Aman777 said:

Thank you for your interest. I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, (KJV) Science and History which I call God's Truth. I seek to find agreement with God about our true beginnings, physically and Spiritually. God Bless you

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So you believe that the Gospel is the only authority? You believe the the scripture is "God breathed"?

and if you do then....

Why do you believe that the earth is millions or billions of years old?

I wanna give a run down on the Gen 1 and Gen 2. People think they are a different age, and they are not.

Genesis 1, is speaking on more of a broad spectrum.

Genesis 2, narrows down more specifically of the same event of Genesis 1. They are speaking about the same events only one is more broad and the other is more specific and direct, narrowing our field of view to specific things in the Genesis 1 accounts.

[edit] I have to go for a bit. Take care.

Aman777 said:

As my OP shows from Scripture: God's Scriptural Timeline

23 Billion years ago The first Day Gen. 1:3
18 Billion years ago God makes Adam's Earth Gen 1:9-10
14 Billion years ago Adam is formed Gen 2:4
13.8 Billion years ago The Big Bang of our Cosmos happens Gen 2:4
4.53 Billion years ago The present Earth is formed Gen 2:4
3.77 Billion years ago Universal Common Ancestor appears in water Gen 1:21

5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps Gen 6:4

11 Thousand years ago Noah brings Human (descendants of Adam) civilization to planet Earth Gen 8:4 Noah's grandsons marry prehistoric people and produce today's Humans

2 Thousand years ago Jesus walks on planet Earth John 3:16

Soon, Jesus returns at Armageddon, rules Earth for a thousand years, and the 6th Day/Age ends Gen 1:31
The 7th Day, the Age of Joy, begins Gen 2:1-3 Amen?

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I know you said that on your OP, but it doesn't tell me how you came to this conclusion. Where is your supporting scripture to come to this conclusion given the context/nature of these verses that are in Hebrew. The grammar, context, definition of words throughout the bible, do not match what you are telling me. Where is your support for this conclusion?

Next, Genesis 2 is the same events as Genesis one only magnified to be more specific than broad based like Genesis one was. Writers do this all the time in books. They give a broad spectrum of events, then detail them out throughout the book. Genesis one and two are no different than that example I gave.

To explain it another way, in Genesis one pretend you are in outer space, you are watching God create the "heavens and the earth" and the rest of such things the chapter describes. Then like watching a movie, you pause it and rewind a little bit. From your position in Chapter one, outer space, now you zoom in to see more detail of what God did on earth. Then you press play again to watch the same events happening, only now your zoomed in you cant see the broad part you saw before because your looking at specific things in that same event, paying more attention to them than the whole.

Like I said, writers of books do this frequently. The concept is nothing new.

As far as evolving from chimps, I see no evidence of that. The bible doesn't even mention one word about this. It's not even fact, only speculation and conjecture, a theory, for those that wish to disprove the bible or even water it down.

As far as we know to this day, humans beget humans, chimps beget chimps, there is not one animal in all history that begot something that was not of its specie. You can mix a Husky with a German Shepard, but they are still dogs begetting dogs. You cannot mix a Husky and an Arabian Horse. They are completely different species and it would never happen. You or anyone else cannot prove that a chimp can beget a human. It never happened and it cannot be proved one iota.

Also, you make it sound like Noah was not on earth to begin with. Is that what you believe? Noah was on earth the entire time with his sons, who were married already mind you (Genesis 6:18). Noahs son's being already married BEFORE the flood were the ones that helped populate the earth by the blessing of God who was pleased with them you see after the flood. Noah, his wife, his sons, his sons wives, were the only people left after the flood so the only people there was to marry for his grandsons were other members of family. Unless you can find me scripture that says there were others who were saved on the ark to prove the grandsons married "prehistoric people".

Next I would like to say, is there are no ages mentioned in Genesis one or two. The grammar, context, and definition of the Hebrew language then does not match the "ages/periods" theory.

The Hebrew word for "day" in Genesis is Yowm (pronounced Yom). And while I agree that that word could be used to say an age, period, or any length of time, the context/grammar of the rest of the statements in Genesis do not allow for it to mean any more than just a 24 hour period.

Example:
"And the evening and the morning were the first day."

In no way can one state that this is a whole entire age or period.

"evening" here in Genesis 1 in Hebrew is `ereb which means dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night.

"morning" here in Hebrew is boqer which means properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:—(+) day, early, morning, morrow.

Then look at "day" definition in Hebrew =
"from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), elder, × end, evening, (for) ever(-lasting, -more), × full, life, as (so) long as (... live), (even) now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, ×required, season, × since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), × whole ( age), (full) year(-ly), younger."

Combined with "evening" and "morning" you are forced to apply "day"/Yowm a ONE 24 hour day.

To say anything otherwise destroys the grammar/context of what scripture says there.

In six days (24 hour days) God made all that there is.

Aman777 said:

Genesis One is the complete History up to the present 6th Day/Age including events which will NOT take place until after Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of those future events. None of the events from Gen 1:28 to 31 have happened in the past, but will happen on the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. God bless you

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How can you say Genesis 1:28-31 has not happened?

Humans have been multiplying on the earth since God gave us that physical blessing. Everything God made was good and there is only evil in the world due to Adam and Eve not obeying God's commands. God has already made trees obviously and crawly things. I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. These things have been since Adam and Eve.

Where is your support to explain this?