Genesis Is the understanding the of Ancient Hebrews.It doesn't have to be scientific.

[BrriKerr]

You can't equate having a job for slavery.

This forum is such a strange place :/

No the forum is not strange but some of the people are, where they get their ideas from makes you wonder where they were raised and by whom, outside of darkest Africa who in this day and age tells their kids there are devils and demons?

 

[BrriKerr]

Most Christiand are ignorant of what the bible says....saying that, I'm quite sure I can say without a shadow of a doubt that most atheist are ignorant of what the bible says.

How can you say that when in the US most atheists were Christians once.

 

[AV1611VET]

No the forum is not strange but some of the people are, where they get their ideas from makes you wonder where they were raised and by whom,

LOL

And this coming from someone who has posted from every continent on earth (including the United Nations), under almost every faith icon, and as both male and female?

That's rich.

 

[lesliedellow]

Most Christiand are ignorant of what the bible says....saying that, I'm quite sure I can say without a shadow of a doubt that most atheist are ignorant of what the bible says.

No evidence in other words. Just a determination to feel smugly superior to both atheists and other Christians.

 

[BrriKerr]

I am sad for you.
Academia will not save your soul.
Knowing how natural law works in the absence of divine intervention does not teach you how it works in the presence of divine intervention.
Naturalism is disproved by a single miracle. There have been dozens written about on this site. 25% of Americans believe they have experienced miracles. That makes MILLIONS witnesses to the fact that naturalism is wrong. It's a logical absurdity to believe in something which cannot be right, so it is logically absurd to believe what is being taught in academia.

Nearly as many Americans as have been abducted by aliens, what does that tell you? it tells me that most Americans are the most gullible people in the 1st world.

 

[-57]

How can you say that when in the US most atheists were Christians once.

I doubt that.

 

[BrriKerr]

I think you are overlooking the fact that higher education is definitely part of the process of salvation.

Then why are countries with large populations of uneducated people the most religious? the parts of the US where education standards are bad are the most religious, low education standards means high religious belief, which has been true all down the ages, religions were at their peak when the world was uneducated.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why are the most ignorant countries always the most religious?

Because science is at war with religion.

 

[-57]

Because science is at war with religion.

Are you telling me ax heads don't float?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you telling me ax heads don't float?

Swim.

2 Kings 6:6b And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim.

Let scientists chew on that!

 

[BrriKerr]

Because science is at war with religion.

Because science is at war with religion ignorant people are the most religious? I bet you are religious.

 

[Hoghead1]

You need to understand that for me academia is the heaven the Spirit has lured me to. I am not sure what you mean by gnosticism. It simply means knower. In early Christianity, it meant that the Kingdom of God is within us, something now. It also meant that to be saved was to follow Christ into an immaterial realm,outside the universe. It also meant that we have a direct immediate connection to God and therefore do not need the priesthood as intercessors. It also meant a number of other things as well. Some of these things I agree with, some not.



Now, I sense you are working out of a kind of TULIP concept of salvation. Right? If so, OK,fine. However, not all Christians agree with the TULIP approach. I frankly do not agree with a bit of it.



I believe that God loves everyone, not just the elect. I believe God saves everyone, not just the elect. In fact, for those who hold with the concept of election, I point out that this denotes only a tiny minority of persons. Calvin said the elect were so few in number that they may never meet up with one another. So, if you hold with election, changes are you are really really one of the reprobate. Further, I believe God as truly a God of love does not coerce people by threats of horrendous punishments, hell, damnation, etc. I reject the the TULIP emphasis that only bible-believing Christians are saved. I feel that is just another form of Christian Imperialism. For God, it is far more important how you live than any doctrines you hold. When critics academics or view it as unimportant, I point out that , ironically, the TULIP approach that went overboard on scholasticism, so that faith collapsed into simply intellectual ascent to doctrine. It really doesn't matter how you live, just what doctrines you believe .



I believe salvation and sanctification are one. The journey itself means as much as the final destination. God is the Cosmic Artist continually luring us to greater forms of beauty and that means greater depth and breadth of feeling. There is no relationship to God that cannot be deepened. I ask you this: What do you think will happen when you come before the throne of God and he asks you if you have any interesting snapshots to show?

 

[BrriKerr]

I believe salvation and sanctification are one. The journey itself means as much as the final destination. God is the Cosmic Artist continually luring us to greater forms of beauty and that means greater depth and breadth of feeling. There is no relationship to God that cannot be deepened. I ask you this: What do you think will happen when you come before the throne of God and he asks you if you have any interesting snapshots to show?

Nothing because you will be dead, all the promises are about to come true and what happens? you die.

When was the last time in your life something happened just because you wanted it to happen? that's right, never.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because science is at war with religion ignorant people are the most religious? I bet you are religious.

Actually, I don't consider myself "religious" -- as I define "religion" as any belief that goes against the Bible.

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

 

[AV1611VET]

You need to understand that for me academia is the heaven the Spirit has lured me to. I am not sure what you mean by gnosticism.

Were you addressing me with this post?

 

[KWCrazy]

it tells me that most Americans are the most gullible people in the 1st world.

Ed, Ted and Ned are having a conversation. Ed said that he saw a panther in the woods. Ted believes his friend because Ed has no reason to make up such a story. Ned calls Ted gullible because there are no panthers in the area. He believes that Ed is lying and Ted is a fool for believing him. So who is right? That depends on whether the story is true. Ned is convinced that panthers do not live in the area and so Ed must be lying. What happens, though, when the news reports that a panther escaped from the zoo and a trail camera captures a picture of it in the area where Ed saw it? Now who is wrong? Now who is the fool?

Some people think that because they themselves have never seen anything supernatural that it must not exist. Claiming that an ax head can't float doesn't make you smarter than someone who believes the Scriptures. EVERYONE knows that an ax head can't float. Some, however, realize that God is Lord of the impossible; that He wouldn't list 333 miracles in His book if he didn't want us to know that He could do the impossible as He willed. We're only the gullible ones if it's all a lie. However, part of being saved is receiving the Holy Spirit. It's hard to tell a person who has a personal communication with God that God doesn't exist. We know better. It's sad for some that they do not.

 

[BrriKerr]

Some people think that because they themselves have never seen anything supernatural that it must not exist. Claiming that an ax head can't float doesn't make you smarter than someone who believes the Scriptures. EVERYONE knows that an ax head can't float. Some, however, realize that God is Lord of the impossible; that He wouldn't list 333 miracles in His book if he didn't want us to know that He could do the impossible as He willed. We're only the gullible ones if it's all a lie. However, part of being saved is receiving the Holy Spirit. It's hard to tell a person who has a personal communication with God that God doesn't exist. We know better. It's sad for some that they do not.

It must be even harder to tell a person that was abducted by aliens that they are telling lies, when you start believing the impossible you have got troubles, when was the last time you talked to god?
Anyway if that's what you want to believe then go for it just please don't try to tell others that what you see everyone should be able to see. your delusions are not transferable.

 

[dougangel]

Dude, you've been answered ad-nauseum...and you keep asking the same questions over and over again. Do you really think all the scholars and great theologians have gotten it wrong over the hundreds of years of biblical study and you finally figured it out? Seriously. Your disagreement reminds me of what "christian' cult do.

One question that wasn't addressed...You said "In genesis 1 the stars the moon the sun are on day 4. I have an issue with that." That's because you accept the BB as true. If you're seriously interested in an answer to that question you might want to watch the following video. I'd try to explain it to you but I think the video does a better job considering the complexity of the issue.

Hmmm well, this guy is going against mainstream science and definitely has his detractors. And he does say it's just a theory. He still says there's a big bang but it took 3 days instead of over a 11 million years.
It's quite funny that I posted about whether we use the word expanse, firmament ,vault on Post 68#
Because he used the word expanse and vault and doesn't seem to know the difference.
If the stars the moon the sun started on day 4. That is if the Universe started on day 4 how could there be plants on day 3.
For every video u put up I can put one up from Nasa.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Most Christiand are ignorant of what the bible says....saying that, I'm quite sure I can say without a shadow of a doubt that most atheist are ignorant of what the bible says.

But that is merely a statement from ignorance of your own. You seem to have the typical Christian belief that only your interpretation of the Bible is correct. That sort of thought is what has led to on the order of 40,000 different sects of Christianity. Most of the differences are rather small and inconsequential, but when they are all added up it can make a huge difference, which is why you will see so many Christians claim that others are not "real Christians".

You gave us your opinion, do you have anything that supports it? So far all I have seen you give is your opinion. I am not impressed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually, I don't consider myself "religious" -- as I define "religion" as any belief that goes against the Bible.

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

Sorry, but you don't get to make up your own definitions. Language is a shared perception and if you make up nonsense definitions you will be the only one that understands you, making you irrelevant.