Genesis Is the understanding the of Ancient Hebrews.It doesn't have to be scientific.

[Aman777]

Aman777...is what you're pushing

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NO, since Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7
The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21, which began some 3.77 Billion years ago.
Eve was made some 12-15k years ago on the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

He's kinda right...but his interpretation is incorrect. The problem is, he is the only person I know arriving at his conclusions. This puts up red flags all over the place....expecially when parts of it isn't biblical.

False accusation from someone who has posted NO rebuttal of my view. Amen?

 

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Aman777...Try to tell us of a time when mankind (Adam) had dominion or rule over viruses, mosquitoes and angels, as Genesis 1:28 states, since all three are "living creatures". Then try to show a time in the past when ALL living creatures were vegetarians, including bears and lions. Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7.

-57 Pre-fall. That was too easy.

After you have accomplished this, tell us WHY God, Who can see the end from the beginning Isa 46:10 would look upon the thousands of children who will STARVE to death today, and say, It is very good. Gen 1:31

It was very good.....then Adam fell and introduced death and sin to mankind. That was also way to easy.

You will come to only ONE conclusion and that is that Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of future events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until Jesus returns to rule and reign on Planet Earth for a thousand years. Rev 20:6 Amen?

As pointed out before...and you seemed to skip right over it....Adam was told to be fruitfull an multiply in verse 28 which you claim is the future. According to the simple natural reading of the text...Adam jumped your gun.

 

[lesliedellow]

Instead of posting foolishness, TRY to refute my view Scripturally. Waiting...

Refuting that nonsense scripturally makes as much sense as refuting Alice in Wonderland scripturally.

 

[-57]

NO, since Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7
The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21, which began some 3.77 Billion years ago.
Eve was made some 12-15k years ago on the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22

God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

Wrong. The bible teaches Adam was formed on day 6.
Secondly, there is not one verse that tells us "The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water" This view would be somewhat gnostic.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then go ahead and Try. You can begin by answering the Facts of the Flood which I listed. When you try, you will find God's Truth of the Flood. Amen?

I wouldn't even try.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777...Try to tell us of a time when mankind (Adam) had dominion or rule over viruses, mosquitoes and angels, as Genesis 1:28 states, since all three are "living creatures". Then try to show a time in the past when ALL living creatures were vegetarians, including bears and lions. Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7.

-57 Pre-fall. That was too easy.

Doesn't work since mankind's dominion over ALL living creatures comes AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth as Isaiah 11:1-7 clearly shows. ALSO, you didn't explain the Scriptural Fact that God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image, which is in Christ Col 1:15 TODAY. Just ask any Christian preacher. ALSO, mankind's dominion over Angels is FUTURE. 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we SHALL judge angels? Strike 1

Aman:>>After you have accomplished this, tell us WHY God, Who can see the end from the beginning Isa 46:10 would look upon the thousands of children who will STARVE to death today, and say, It is very good. Gen 1:31

-57:>>It was very good.....then Adam fell and introduced death and sin to mankind. That was also way to easy.

What's really easy is to be wrong Scripturally. You seem to believe that God, Who sees the end from the beginning, could NOT see Adam's fall, which is FALSE since Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8 Strike two.

Aman:>>You will come to only ONE conclusion and that is that Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of future events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until Jesus returns to rule and reign on Planet Earth for a thousand years. Rev 20:6 Amen?

-57:>>As pointed out before...and you seemed to skip right over it....Adam was told to be fruitfull an multiply in verse 28 which you claim is the future. According to the simple natural reading of the text...Adam jumped your gun.

1. No one can understand Scripture who has NOT been born again Spiritually according to 1Co 2:14 A "simple natural reading" leaves one in darkness.

2. Since Adam and Eve were created in God's Image AFTER Cain killed Abel, Gen 5:1-2 the way they could be fruitful and multiply is to tell others of Jesus. Adam did this as Gen 4:26 shows. Again, check with any Christian preacher and he will tell you the SAME just as Jesus tells us below:

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Strike Three. Try again?

 

[Aman777]

Refuting that nonsense scripturally makes as much sense as refuting Alice in Wonderland scripturally.

How would anyone know since you have done nothing but spew invective and naysaying? When will you post refuting Scripture, Science, or History? Amen?

 

[Aman777]

I wouldn't even try.

Picture me standing on the Seashore waving a fond farewell to someone who disagrees, but has NO supporting Scripture to present. Should we accept your view based on Nothing but Bluff and personal opinion? Amen?

 

[lesliedellow]

How would anyone know since you have done nothing but spew invective and naysaying? When will you post refuting Scripture, Science, or History? Amen?

You post some science or history, along with your sources for the said science or history, and I will think about refuting it.

A pure work of fiction, which you pull out of your own head, is not science, is not history, and, for that matter, is not scripture.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Picture me standing on the Seashore waving a fond farewell to someone who disagrees, but has NO supporting Scripture to present. Should we accept your view based on Nothing but Bluff and personal opinion? Amen?

I also believe that God's truth, science, and history agree. I just don't agree with you.

 

[Aman777]

Wrong. The bible teaches Adam was formed on day 6.
Secondly, there is not one verse that tells us "The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water" This view would be somewhat gnostic.

1. Here is when Adam was formed Scripturally:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The first Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

See, on the 3rd Day, the Day the first Earth was made, before the plants, herbs and rain, the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) "formed" man. Just to be absolutely sure, read the next verses:

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

2. Adam and Eve were "created" by God (Trinity) on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 AND Gen 5:1-2 Can you see the difference between being "created" by God the Trinity and being "formed" by the Lord God? Gen 2:7

3. God created and brought forth "every living creature that moveth" on the FIFTH Day. Gen 1:21 The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water according to Science AND Scripture because they "moveth". Lucy was the first to walk upright. God's Truth, Science and History AGREE. Amen?

 

[lesliedellow]

1. Here is when Adam was formed Scripturally:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The first Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

See, on the 3rd Day, the Day the first Earth was made, before the plants, herbs and rain, the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) "formed" man. Just to be absolutely sure, read the next verses:

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

2. Adam and Eve were "created" by God (Trinity) on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 AND Gen 5:1-2 Can you see the difference between being "created" by God the Trinity and being "formed" by the Lord God? Gen 2:7

3. God created and brought forth "every living creature that moveth" on the FIFTH Day. Gen 1:21 The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water according to Science AND Scripture because they "moveth". Lucy was the first to walk upright. God's Truth, Science and History AGREE. Amen?

I would tell you to do yourself a favour, and buy yourself a decent commentary on Genesis. I would do that, but I suspect you are firmly of the opinion that you are the one and only person on the face of the planet who understands what Genesis "really" means.

 

[Aman777]

I would tell you to do yourself a favour, and buy yourself a decent commentary on Genesis. I would do that, but I suspect you are firmly of the opinion that you are the one and only person on the face of the planet who understands what Genesis "really" means.

I care little about any man's opinion since Scripture tells me this:

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

 

[lesliedellow]

I care little about any man's opinion since Scripture tells me this:

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.

I see, so you are a one man cult.

 

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"Aman777, 1. Here is when Adam was formed Scripturally:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Day in this instance refers to a time period. The time period is 6 days. It speaks of that "generation" or history.

The first Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Yes...plants of the field.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

See, on the 3rd Day, the Day the first Earth was made, before the plants, herbs and rain, the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) "formed" man. Just to be absolutely sure, read the next verses:

There was only one earth made.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The plants here are plants of the garden..NOT OF THE FIELD.

The Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Yes the trees of the field...not the trees of the garden.

2. Adam and Eve were "created" by God (Trinity) on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 AND Gen 5:1-2 Can you see the difference between being "created" by God the Trinity and being "formed" by the Lord God? Gen 2:7

No. Adam was created by being formed from the dust.

3. God created and brought forth "every living creature that moveth" on the FIFTH Day. Gen 1:21 The sons of God (prehistoric people) had their origin in the water according to Science AND Scripture because they "moveth". Lucy was the first to walk upright. God's Truth, Science and History AGREE. Amen?

This false concept contradicts Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. If Lucy type people were not in Adams progeny they would not have felt the effect of original sin. They would no need a savior.

 

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2. Since Adam and Eve were created in God's Image AFTER Cain killed Abel,

Oh boy.
I have to search the web to see where Aman777 is getting this "theology" from. Talk about being way out in right field.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think there was much more genetic diversity invested in the wife of Noah and the wives of his sons. Those four women could have been the product of many 'manner' of peoples. Recall that before the flood the people were 'marrying' with abandon.

Sorry, but there could not have been. A single person cannot have genetic confirmation on his own. That takes a population. And now you are showing your ignorance. At the very most one gene could have only 10 alleles in a population of 5, and this is very very unlikely. Can you not see that a large population could have many more alleles than just five people?

What you are doing right now is grasping at straws. You are making terribly ignorant wishful claims to defend the Noah story. And that is only one piece of information that tells us that there was no Noah's Ark. Geology told us that there was no world wide flood over 200 years ago. It would take over 5 miles of water to drown the Earth. Where did the water come from? Where did it go to?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Well I guess you don't really get my point to ask me that ?

but to answer your point. Atheist's will have varying answers to your question about that. But they must have beliefs about it.

Yes, but then *my* point is that atheism does not determine those answers, or any of the other answers that people have to determine. So contrary to your claim, atheism is not a belief system. It is one particular (lack of) belief.

 

[Aman777]

I see, so you are a one man cult.

No. I'm a Christian who lives in the last days of this Earth before Jesus returns. I am a fundamentalist who believes the Bible is Literally True since the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, is the Author. 2Pe 1:21 ALL Christians are saved by the Gift of Faith given to us by the Father. Heb 11:6

We believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, His death for our sins, His burial, and His resurrection the third day, according to the Scriptures. 1Co 15:1-4

It is NOT necessary for everyone to understand Genesis because we are saved by our Faith in Jesus Christ. That is WHY Adam, Seth, Moses, and ALL Christians have been born of His Spirit. Romans 8:9 We are born Eternally because of this Gift of Faith from the Father.

I post because God has given me to understand the mysteries of Genesis, which has been hidden from mankind until these last days before Jesus returns. What is amazing to me is that God's Truth, in the first 34 verses of Genesis, is the Entire History of His Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven, and it agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History. God Bless you