Genesis Is the understanding the of Ancient Hebrews.It doesn't have to be scientific.

[OldWiseGuy]

...............we know that the human population never dropped below the thousands.

How do we know that?

 

[Aman777]

And make up whatever rubbish they like to go along with "sola scriptura".

Quote: "As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago"

To take just one specimen out of many.

Empirical Historic evidence AGREES with me UNLESS you can explain where the 450 ft long Ark arrived on this planet, which you cannot. Neither can you explain WHERE the Raven went, since it did NOT return to the Ark. You cannot explain HOW the olive seed germinated in the mud, grew into an olive tree and put forth branches and leaves within ONE week.

Unless you can explain the Scriptural Fact that the Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's world Gen 7:20-24 AND resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began, Gen 8:4 you should run away before you are exposed as someone who thinks they know more than God. For these and many other reasons, you are left with an incomplete explanation, but go ahead and try and I promise to not laugh at your view or to disparage your unsupported "beliefs". God Bless you

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do we know that?

Science.

But to be specific, we can measure the current genetic diversity of man. That means we can measure the number of different alleles that exist for each gene. We can measure the rate of development of these new alleles. We can estimate populations over time. That allows us to estimate when any population bottlenecks occurred. Once again the genes from only 5 people (we do not count Noah's sons since they were just a reshuffling of the genes of Mr. and Mrs. Noah. That is by definition and almost extinction level bottleneck. By the way, if you try to claim the extreme low numbers of the Noah story that makes it even worse for you. Small populations obviously cannot generate new genes as fast as a larger population, there are fewer individuals in which mutations can occur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck

 

[essentialsaltes]

No it's not a deity. That's true. It is a belief system though. Every one in the world needs a belief system about the world to function in it.
For example You must have beliefs about animals.
Do you eat them.
Can you kill them for sport.
Do you need to be kind to animals ?
and so on.

Well, you tell me... what does the belief system of atheism say about whether one can or cannot eat or kill animals?

 

[-57]

Since I support what I post with the Agreement of Scripture with Science and History, sola scriptura is alive and well. Medieval Catholicism, like ALL ancient theology, does NOT agree with what is actually written. It's all a part of God's perfect plan which insures that ONLY by the Gift of Faith from God Himself, Eph 2:8 can anyone truly understand God's Holy Word. Amen?

With all due respect Aman777....from reading your post and biblical interpretations, you, seem to be the only one with the gift of faith who can truly understand Gods Word......Amen?

 

[lesliedellow]

Unless you can explain the Scriptural Fact that the Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's world Gen 7:20-24 AND resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began, Gen 8:4 you should run away before you are exposed as someone who thinks they know more than God.

Quote: "As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago, it released the Ark into our world. This completely dissolved Adam's flat Earth in the Lake as the solid firmament sank into the biggest Lake in Turkey."

I don't think there was a flood, but, even if I did, I wouldn't feel that I had a licence to make up stuff which has absolutely no biblical basis whatsoever, and which also has no basis in the historical or geological records. What you have come up with is just a work of complete fiction.

Tell me, where in the Bible, or anywhere else, does it speak of "Adam's firmament sinking into Lake Van?" It doesn't. It is just something which you, or somebody with an equally vivid imagination, have made up.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Science.

But to be specific, we can measure the current genetic diversity of man. That means we can measure the number of different alleles that exist for each gene. We can measure the rate of development of these new alleles. We can estimate populations over time. That allows us to estimate when any population bottlenecks occurred. Once again the genes from only 5 people (we do not count Noah's sons since they were just a reshuffling of the genes of Mr. and Mrs. Noah. That is by definition and almost extinction level bottleneck. By the way, if you try to claim the extreme low numbers of the Noah story that makes it even worse for you. Small populations obviously cannot generate new genes as fast as a larger population, there are fewer individuals in which mutations can occur.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck

I think there was much more genetic diversity invested in the wife of Noah and the wives of his sons. Those four women could have been the product of many 'manner' of peoples. Recall that before the flood the people were 'marrying' with abandon.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Empirical Historic evidence AGREES with me UNLESS you can explain where the 450 ft long Ark arrived on this planet, which you cannot. Neither can you explain WHERE the Raven went, since it did NOT return to the Ark. You cannot explain HOW the olive seed germinated in the mud, grew into an olive tree and put forth branches and leaves within ONE week.

Unless you can explain the Scriptural Fact that the Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's world Gen 7:20-24 AND resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began, Gen 8:4 you should run away before you are exposed as someone who thinks they know more than God. For these and many other reasons, you are left with an incomplete explanation, but go ahead and try and I promise to not laugh at your view or to disparage your unsupported "beliefs". God Bless you

With all due respect to another Christian, the flood story can be interpreted in several different ways. The 'authorized' versions can be rightly tweaked to actually be scientifically plausible. Critics are quick to lock the argument into the confines of the traditional interpretations, leaving no room for more reasonable conclusions. They will successfully hang you with your own rope.

 

[Aman777]

With all due respect Aman777....from reading your post and biblical interpretations, you, seem to be the only one with the gift of faith who can truly understand Gods Word......Amen?

My view is different BECAUSE it does not agree with the ancient Hebrew view, which God shows CANNOT be true. God hid His Truth from ancient men by listing the latest Scientific Truth which can ONLY be understood by the people of the last days of this world. God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

By hiding His Truth, God insured that ONLY by Faith, can one become an immortal Being. Our God is an Awesome God with Supreme Intelligence. He wrote the History of His 6 Days of Creation, including future events, which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns, in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis. Gen 1:28-31 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Quote: "As Adam's firmament sank in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago, it released the Ark into our world. This completely dissolved Adam's flat Earth in the Lake as the solid firmament sank into the biggest Lake in Turkey."

I don't think there was a flood, but, even if I did, I wouldn't feel that I had a licence to make up stuff which has absolutely no biblical basis whatsoever, and which also has no basis in the historical or geological records. What you have come up with is just a work of complete fiction.

Tell me, where in the Bible, or anywhere else, does it speak of "Adam's firmament sinking into Lake Van?" It doesn't. It is just something which you, or somebody with an equally vivid imagination, have made up.

God didn't write His Holy Word so that people who lived thousands of years before Science could possibly understand. In order to understand, one MUST live in the last days, Dan 12:4 be born again Spiritually,
1Co 2:14 and STUDY His Word, 2Ti 2:15 in order to understand.

Unless you fit all three requirements, you will NEVER understand Scripture. Amen?

 

[-57]

My view is different BECAUSE it does not agree with the ancient Hebrew view, which God shows CANNOT be true. God hid His Truth from ancient men by listing the latest Scientific Truth which can ONLY be understood by the people of the last days of this world. God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

By hiding His Truth, God insured that ONLY by Faith, can one become an immortal Being. Our God is an Awesome God with Supreme Intelligence. He wrote the History of His 6 Days of Creation, including future events, which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns, in the FIRST Chapter of Genesis. Gen 1:28-31 Amen?

Let me post it again Aman777:
With all due respect Aman777....from reading your post and biblical interpretations, you, seem to be the only one with the gift of faith who can truly understand Gods Word......Amen?

Gen 1:28-31 was day six. Not the future. If verse 28 was future....Adam would not have been fruitful and multiplied yet.

 

[lesliedellow]

God didn't write His Holy Word so that people who lived thousands of years before Science could possibly understand. In order to understand, one MUST live in the last days, Dan 12:4 be born again Spiritually,
1Co 2:14 and STUDY His Word, 2Ti 2:15 in order to understand.

Unless you fit all three requirements, you will NEVER understand Scripture. Amen?

Hogwash.

 

[Aman777]

I think there was much more genetic diversity invested in the wife of Noah and the wives of his sons. Those four women could have been the product of many 'manner' of peoples. Recall that before the flood the people were 'marrying' with abandon.

The diversity in the Human genome is caused by variation between His (Jesus) kinds and God (Trinity) kinds. When Humans (Jesus kind) Gen 2:7 and prehistoric people (God's kind) Gen 1:21 marry and produce children, the offspring INHERIT the unique superior intelligence of Adam, which is like God's Gen 3:22 AND they also INHERIT the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people (sons of God). Gen 6:4 In this fashion God has produced the SEVEN Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth today. NO magical evolution needed. That is God's Truth which agrees with Science and History. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

With all due respect to another Christian, the flood story can be interpreted in several different ways. The 'authorized' versions can be rightly tweaked to actually be scientifically plausible. Critics are quick to lock the argument into the confines of the traditional interpretations, leaving no room for more reasonable conclusions. They will successfully hang you with your own rope.

Then go ahead and Try. You can begin by answering the Facts of the Flood which I listed. When you try, you will find God's Truth of the Flood. Amen?

 

[lesliedellow]

The diversity in the Human genome is caused by variation between His (Jesus) kinds and God (Trinity) kinds. When Humans (Jesus kind) Gen 2:7 and prehistoric people (God's kind) Gen 1:21 marry and produce children, the offspring INHERIT the unique superior intelligence of Adam, which is like God's Gen 3:22 AND they also INHERIT the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people (sons of God). Gen 6:4 In this fashion God has produced the SEVEN Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth today. NO magical evolution needed. That is God's Truth which agrees with Science and History. Amen?

I thought halluciagenic drugs were illegal in America.

 

[-57]

Hogwash.

He's kinda right...but his interpretation is incorrect. The problem is, he is the only person I know arriving at his conclusions. This puts up red flags all over the place....expecially when parts of it isn't biblical.

 

[dougangel]

Well, you tell me... what does the belief system of atheism say about whether one can or cannot eat or kill animals?

Well I guess you don't really get my point to ask me that ?

but to answer your point. Atheist's will have varying answers to your question about that. But they must have beliefs about it.

 

[-57]

The diversity in the Human genome is caused by variation between His (Jesus) kinds and God (Trinity) kinds. When Humans (Jesus kind) Gen 2:7 and prehistoric people (God's kind) Gen 1:21 marry and produce children, the offspring INHERIT the unique superior intelligence of Adam, which is like God's Gen 3:22 AND they also INHERIT the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people (sons of God). Gen 6:4 In this fashion God has produced the SEVEN Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth today. NO magical evolution needed. That is God's Truth which agrees with Science and History. Amen?

Aman777...is what you're pushing

 

[Aman777]

Let me post it again Aman777:
With all due respect Aman777....from reading your post and biblical interpretations, you, seem to be the only one with the gift of faith who can truly understand Gods Word......Amen?

Gen 1:28-31 was day six. Not the future. If verse 28 was future....Adam would not have been fruitful and multiplied yet.

Try to tell us of a time when mankind (Adam) had dominion or rule over viruses, mosquitoes and angels, as Genesis 1:28 states, since all three are "living creatures". Then try to show a time in the past when ALL living creatures were vegetarians, including bears and lions. Gen 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7.

After you have accomplished this, tell us WHY God, Who can see the end from the beginning Isa 46:10 would look upon the thousands of children who will STARVE to death today, and say, It is very good. Gen 1:31

You will come to only ONE conclusion and that is that Gen 1:28-31 is Prophecy of future events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until Jesus returns to rule and reign on Planet Earth for a thousand years. Rev 20:6 Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Hogwash.

Instead of posting foolishness, TRY to refute my view Scripturally. Waiting...