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Genesis chapter 1 and reality

DanielGillan

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With regards to the Sun, (and the solar system),it was forming for millions of years prior to it's age, and anytime during the 4th day is spot on, wether it's the last second or the first minute.

As I mentioned earlier, the problem is with the 3rd day, and the only way I can resolve this is with the Earth being reformed in the same manner with the fluids gathering together on the 4th. I imagine the original Earth was consumed in the event that produced the giant molecular gas cloud that our solar system was formed from.

Antimatter is well defined, as particles having opposite charge, and opposite spin to their material counterparts. Electrons have Positrons as their antiparticles, the only way an electron can be annihilated is on collision with a positron. Gamma rays produce electron positron pairs , which annihilate and produce more electromagnetic radiation. The only way for matter to annihilate is by collision with it's antiparticle. It is the high energy electromagnetic radiation that produces the anti particles, the problem with the big bang theory is that particles and antiparticles are always produced in equal number.
There was most definitely a "big bang" or light which expanded, the thing is there must also have been matter. I would rather "the spirit of God moved upon the face of the fluids", to stop people always thinking of H2O, waters contain so much more than just H2O, sodium, chlorine, silicon, iron, etc etc.
 
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what was wrong with my solution?
 
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grandpa, your solution was no solution, while having poetic merit, it relies on falsehoods to reach a conclusion. The conclusion is known, therefore any mumbo jumbo can reach the conclusion, just because the sky exists doesn't mean that a pregnant pink elephant gave birth to the sky, but I could suggest it as the solution to the conclusion of the existence of the sky.
 
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Its hard to fathom why you would say things that make Genesis appear to defy the facts as we nowunderstand them..
Genesis dddoes NOT say the sun was "created" on the 4th day.

Genesis say god "made" the sun to rule over earth time.


16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars (to govern over Sidereal Time).



 
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I do not understand the facts in the same way as you Cupid Dave, god set them in the firmament on the 4th day also. You do understand that sidereal time is governed by the rotation of the earth ? it's the time taken for the earth to rotate though 360 degrees about it's own axis.
When you divide the age of the universe into six equal parts how come the Sun is four sixths old?
 
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I've tried to explain to him that Sidereal time is only relevant from a position on earth, but he doesn't seem to grasp the concept.
 
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yes, most people have misread these verses and never stopped to check out the obvious error in thinking, (that the heavens were created in Gen 1:1), but for some reason, this did not included the sun, moon, and stars.

It would seem hard to imagine heavens without these very things which actually compose the heavens, themselves.

Wouldn't it?

An investigation of the Hebrew word for "set" in our bibles tells us that the meaning is more in accord with this:



Gen. 1:17 And God, (Father Nature, Reality), set: [nathan = appointed, assigned, designated, employed] them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,...





nathan
verb
1) to give, bestow, grant, permit, ascribe, , , devote, consecrate, dedicate, pay wages, sell, exchange, lend, commit, entrust, give over, deliver up, yield produce, occasion, produce, requite to, report, mention, stretch out, extend
2) to put, set, put on, put upon, set, appoint, assign, designate
 
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It's not even necessary to imagine the firmament without the Sun, moon and stars, since we actually know, that the firmament existed before any celestial bodies. It only becomes necessary to imagine that the Sun moon and stars have always existed, since we know they haven't.
 
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So you would like to equate the second day's creation of the atmospheric firmament above with the heavens of the universe that was created on the first day?

DoI understand you correctly?
 
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If you look at the first post in this topic, you will see I accept the word firmament as interchangeable with expansion. Since it says in the footnotes (KJV) the word is from the hebrew for expansion, and we know the universe is expanding, and it follows from our understanding of the order of the big bang, having energy, which then expanded.
 
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the firmament of day 2 can be either the atmosphere or spacetime itself depending on how you want to look at it.

both versions are perfectly legitimate


I disagree since the seven layers of the firmament we call our Atmosphere end with the Exosphere, or that boundary where Outer Space begins:





Gen. 1:6 And, (Father Nature, ie; Reality), God,” said, Let there be a firmament, (seven layers of atmosphere), in the midst of the "waters", and let it divide the (evaporated) waters from the (seven collections of condensed liquid) "waters" (on the Earth, below.

The Firmament above
1) Tropo-sphere
2) Strato-sphere
3) meso-sphere
4) Thermo-sphere
5) Iono-sphere
6) Magneto-sphere
7) Exo-sphere
 
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But there is also a firmment below, mr dan...


The Firmament below
1) ocean
2) inland seas
3) lakes
4) rivers
5) underground water
6) glaciers
7) atmospheric water vapor
 
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cupid dave

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Cupid where did you find that E=MC2 picture ? the statement on it is clearly a contradiction of the equation, the mass energy equivalence.


I copied it from a Physics lecture presentation that used slides and audio tape to review and sum up the History of Science.

But the statement on that slide seems correct to me, in that it merely says Space/Rime and Matter is the effect of a Big Bang transformation of pre-existing Energy in accord with the convertability explained by Einsteun's Equation.

What part of this do you disagree with???
 
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"if all the mass m of the universe were converted into energy, space time would disappear. Energy takes up no space, and both time and space are only defined when mass exists."
at no point does this statement imply space time and matter is the effect of a big bang transformation of pre existing energy. What it does imply is that Energy takes up no space, which is completely untrue. Sure, for us to define terms we need to exist in material form, but an electromagnetic wave would have a wavelength, and effective mass regardless of us existing to observe the fact. The equation E=MC2 basically observes that mass is energy. Matter is bound in space, when the Energy is liberated it takes up more space. Time and space would still exist if all the matter were annihilated, since we define both time and space in terms of electromagnetic radiation.
 
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