Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
I believe evolution is not random, or is just the result of creatures or species or life just simply "adapting", and/or combined with just the survival or the fittest, etc, but is by design and is a program written, directed/manipulated by, and created by God...

DNA seems to suggest that a bit...

An intelligent design, or an intelligent program, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:
How like with a computer, we write "programs" on chips or now microscopic memory chips, etc, that are mechanical in nature, but what if we could write them on different material or things even smaller, like atoms or quantum particles, or with biology or biological material...?

What if God or the gods already did...?

God Bless!

And I wonder if it's not just the evolution of what we call life, but also stars and planets and galaxies, and star and solar systems, etc... the life of them, or them and us all... What if it is all by design... intentional... by an intelligent (very intelligent) designer... who fully knows and knew it all from before ever starting it all, or setting it all in motion... One (to us) very, very, very, large (very large) and extremely complex (very complex) "program", but to God, or a or the God, maybe not so much, maybe not as large or as complex or as difficult to conceive of (or complex/detailed, etc) or as difficult to know, and know it all, from the very start of it, etc, to the very end of it, etc...

What if He uses, or is or was using, matter and energy, etc, and the very smallest parts that make up all the substance of these and all that we know (and some things we maybe do not yet know, or do not know yet) to "write" or "program", all his program on, or onto, etc...?

And it's all intentional and by design...?

That it all works together from the very smallest to the very largest, and us, and everything in-between, by a pre-arranged or pre-programmed "program" that He (God) both created and designed and gave "life" to, etc...?

What if huh...?

Would He interact with it though...? Would He have to, or choose to' "step in or into it" and be in it and be an active part of it every step of the way...? Or does or would "that One" or such a One have "others" for that, etc...?

Anyway, What if huh...?

God Bless!

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

mmksparbud said:
It says He created them on the 6th day and rested the 7th---there is no 8th day mentioned.

God put them in them Garden of Eden on the Eighth day. That was 6,000 (5,990) years ago. He did no work on the 7th day. God’s creation week lasted seven days. The eighth day, then, was the beginning of a new week. Bionically the “eighth day” or the number eight is symbolic of the beginning of a new creation or resurrection from death into life.

After the 1,000 year reign of Christ there will be a new heaven and a new earth. This will be the eighth day from Adam. "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev 21:1,2)

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
what if we could write them on different material or things even smaller, like atoms or quantum particles, or with biology or biological material...?

They can write on atoms using the binary code of 0 or 1. We have a lot of atoms in our body. I had my son do the math on that and we have enough atoms in our body to store all the information on the internet 21,000 times. I had someone else run the math on that and he came up with pretty much the same results. At the time the challenge was to prove that our memory could survive death. WE know that the atoms in our body survive cremation. So it would be possible to store all of our memory on the atoms that make up our body.

JERUSALEM — Israeli scientists have inscribed the entire Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible onto a space less than half the size of a grain of sugar. Scientists inscribe entire Bible on head of a pin.

According to the Neil Degrasse Tyson the entire universe started out smaller then the period at the end of this sentence. The universe was very condensed and very hot.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
That it all works together from the very smallest to the very largest, and us, and everything in-between, by a pre-arranged or pre-programmed "program" that He (God) both created and designed and gave "life" to, etc...?

Everything works together because everything in the universe is in contact with each other in real time. Maybe that is why we can go from here to Heaven in a instant and we can be in two different places at the same time.

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
And I wonder if it's not just the evolution of what we call life, but also stars and planets and galaxies, and star and solar systems, etc... the life of them, or them and us all... What if it is all by design... intentional... by an intelligent (very intelligent) designer... who fully knows and knew it all from before ever starting it all, or setting it all in motion... One (to us) very, very, very, large (very large) and extremely complex (very complex) "program", but to God, or a or the God, maybe not so much, maybe not as large or as complex or as difficult to conceive of (or complex/detailed, etc) or as difficult to know, and know it all, from the very start of it, etc, to the very end of it, etc...

What if He uses, or is or was using, matter and energy, etc, and the very smallest parts that make up all the substance of these and all that we know (and some things we maybe do not yet know, or do not know yet) to "write" or "program", all his program on, or onto, etc...?

And it's all intentional and by design...?

That it all works together from the very smallest to the very largest, and us, and everything in-between, by a pre-arranged or pre-programmed "program" that He (God) both created and designed and gave "life" to, etc...?

What if huh...?

Would He interact with it though...? Would He have to, or choose to' "step in or into it" and be in it and be an active part of it every step of the way...? Or does or would "that One" or such a One have "others" for that, etc...?

Anyway, What if huh...?

God Bless!

I guess the big question one has to ask themselves, and the "dividing line" is or will or would be, when you look "out there" and "around here", at life, evolution, biology, physics, etc, and all of all the things both big or large and/or small, and "everything in-between", what do you see...?

Do you see just random chaos with nothing behind any of it at all, or do you see order and design, and maybe an intelligence behind it, or behind all of it, or it all, etc...?

I guess that is the question you have to ask yourself...? I see the latter, but I also know that, regardless, "regardless" some are still going to see the former probably, and probably "no matter what", as well...

Anyway,

God Bless!

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
the word is not "dark", but "formless" and "void"...? and it depends on what you think those words are or mean...?

Black holes are dark because light can not escape.

The reason nothing can escape a black hole is because within the event horizon, space is curved to the point where all directions are actually pointing inside. The escape velocity from within a black hole's event horizon is faster than the speed of light, hence light cannot go at that speed and thus cannot escape.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And seeing that the light was good, God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day (Genesis 1:3-5)

Morning is when light first appears on the horizon.

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Black holes are dark because light can not escape.

The reason nothing can escape a black hole is because within the event horizon, space is curved to the point where all directions are actually pointing inside. The escape velocity from within a black hole's event horizon is faster than the speed of light, hence light cannot go at that speed and thus cannot escape.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And seeing that the light was good, God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day (Genesis 1:3-5)

Morning is when light first appears on the horizon.

Yes, I have done some study on black holes, but thanks for the info though...

God Bless!

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
but "formless" and "void"...?

This is represented by the letter VOV. We see this in the first sentence in the AND in Heaven AND Earth. Jesus teaches us to pray Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be Done on Earth as it is in Heaven. So Jesus came to offer Himself so that Heaven and Earth could become united as one.

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
This is represented by the letter VOV. We see this in the first sentence in the AND in Heaven AND Earth. Jesus teaches us to pray Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be Done on Earth as it is in Heaven. So Jesus came to offer Himself so that Heaven and Earth could become united as one.

What does VOV mean...?

And do you mean both formless and void is represented by this one letter...? Or are there actual, perhaps separate (or not maybe?) "words" for "formless" and/or "void" maybe...?

And if so, what do they mean, etc...?

I don't know much Hebrew, but I would think "formless" would mean "without form" (yet), at least "here" anyway, and "void" would be similar to "empty" maybe...?

What do you say, or what say you...?

God Bless!

mmksparbud · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
God put them in them Garden of Eden on the Eighth day. That was 6,000 (5,990) years ago. He did no work on the 7th day. God’s creation week lasted seven days. The eighth day, then, was the beginning of a new week. Bionically the “eighth day” or the number eight is symbolic of the beginning of a new creation or resurrection from death into life.

After the 1,000 year reign of Christ there will be a new heaven and a new earth. This will be the eighth day from Adam. "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev 21:1,2)

He created them on the 6th day---and Adam named the animals on that day, also. They were there and fully functional on day 6---day 7th was a day of rest----there was no day 8. There was no representing of death at this point for sin had not entered into creation. Day 1 was the next day, beginning a new week.
After the 1000 years there is judgement day for the wicked, then everything is thrown into the lake of fire---and then the earth is remade. There is no 8th day. There is a new day 1 of everything.

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

mmksparbud said:
After the 1000 years there is judgement day for the wicked, then everything is thrown into the lake of fire---and then the earth is remade. There is no 8th day. There is a new day 1 of everything.

Correct, after the "age", or era of Christ's reign, (the seventh day) that takes place after armageddon, and then lasts until the very, very end of all things, a new beginning will begin again, you are correct in that...

Anyway and/or but, right before that end, that "very very end", and right before a new beginning, the second resurrection and final judgement happens or takes place, and all that are not His at that point of the second resurrection and right after that, are either cast into the lake of fire, or are destroyed and/or annihilated, but completely removed from both ours and God's presence permanently anyway...

Those that have taken part in the first resurrection and reigned with Christ before that time (and/but after armageddon) in this creation still, will be re-joined and reunited with those found worthy during or "right, right after" the second resurrection (and the final judgement), and the rest will be gone or cast off or cast out or thrown away, etc, then a whole new beginning will begin, starting at a "day 1" again...

You are correct in and/or on that, etc...

God Bless!

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

mmksparbud said:
He created them on the 6th day

What you need to do is to study science and ancient history. I have studied both for over 50 years now. Just when do you think this 6th day was?

joshua 1 9 · Dec 4, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
What does VOV mean...?

This is a short teaching that can explain a lot better then I can . Jeremiah 4:23 talks about this also:
"I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; I looked to the heavens, and they had no light".

Neogaia777 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
This is a short teaching that can explain a lot better then I can . Jeremiah 4:23 talks about this also:
"I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; I looked to the heavens, and they had no light".

Thanks, I watched it, and added my commentary, thanks...

Some very good info, mainly the part I disagree with, is about it having to be "six" "one-thousand years periods of time"...? I think it could just as easily mean six time periods or periods of time for which we do not have any specific specified length yet, or six, (but actually seven total), much, much longer periods of time, like ages or eras, or "epochs" which are defined by events and not so much time exactly or specifically, etc... But, thanks... I learned a few things, some things I knew that I didn't know I knew, etc... I spoke about them in my commentary, etc...

Still didn't go into the whole "earth being formless and void" part though...?

God Bless!

-57 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Day 6 for what? The Bible has a literal understanding for children who live by faith. Within a literal 24 hour day we find wisdom, knowledge and the mysteries of God. Let me give you an example. The Pharisees told Jesus: "Herod wants to kill You.” This was His reply: "Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected". If a day is 1,000 years then the first two days represent the Church Age, also known as the age of Grace or the time of the Gentiles. Then the third day is the 1,000 year reign of Christ known as the Kingdom age. This is when the church will be perfected. It is not their work because this is a time of sabbath when man will rest from his works. There are other scriptures that talk about this: "On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance". Even Abraham looked into the future and he saw the third day when we would all be perfected together. From a distance he saw this day and how the sacrifice of His son was a type of the sacrifice God made of His Son for our sake so we could be perfected. These are the mysteries of God that are hidden from those who perish but are revealed to those who are redeemed. We know that the third day and the seventh day are the same. We are very close to the end of the sixth day. WE are 6 days from Adam and Eve. That is why this age is coming to an end and the Kingdom age when the Sons of God will be Manifest is about to be revealed.

Now we are talking about the eighth day. This is when Adam and Eve appeared in the Garden of Eden. What some people call paradise. The eighth day for us comes after the 7th day, after the Kingdom age. This is when there will be a new heaven and a new earth. This is also when there will be a lake of fire and the enemies of God will be destroyed. Not because He did not love them. Because they did not return His love. They rejected Him as their God. They followed satan in his rebellion against God.

?????....joshua, the bible says day 6. I'm not quite sure where you're going with this explanation.

mmksparbud · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
What you need to do is to study science and ancient history. I have studied both for over 50 years now. Just when do you think this 6th day was?

LOOL!!---it was after the 5th day and before the 7th!!!

You perhaps need a refresher course---there is no 8th day.

-57 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Depends on your perspective. As a YEC each day is 1,000 years. The man at the time was a hunter gather. "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7)

Science tells us a lot about how God created Adam and Eve. We start with the program Cosmos where Carl Sagon and Neil DeGrasse Tyson tells us that we are "star dust". This is where God created the elements (dust of the ground) that He used to make Adam and Eve. This is why I say it took God 12.990 Billion years to create Adam and Eve. Yet we find them FINISHED or perfected 5990 years ago in the garden of eden. On the eighth day Adam was perfected and on the 14th day mankind will be perfected.

If you look at OEC (old world creationism) The first human ancestors appeared between five million and seven million years ago. Each day in Genesis is half the length of the day before. Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe

OEC, YEC, Theistic Evolution are all looking at the same thing from a different perspective. Everything is relative depending on your perspective and your vantage point. The Hebrew letter for the eye is made with a Y. Because the two eyes join together for make ONE image. You can go to the beginning and look forward. You can go to the end and look back. You can go to a point a time and a place. Like when Jesus was born. OR when Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden. This is like a snapshot of time. Or we can go back to 12,990 years ago when our era or age began. I use the nano diamond comet as a marker for when the age we live in began. Six North American Sites Hold 12,900-year-old Nanodiamond-rich Soil

God is infinite and we could go on forever talking about all of this. In fact the very first letter in the Bible is infinite and we could spend the rest of our life just to do a study on that ONE letter. In this case it is a B and that represents a tent or tabernacle actually. This represents God's desire to dwell with and to become one with His Creation. So there is a LOT of story to tell just with that letter B. This also represents Ben or Jesus the Son of God. Who was a child of the father but He did not come to be served, He gave His life as a sacrifice and to serve others. All of this is in the first letter of the first word in our Bible. This sets the foundation for the rest of the Bible to explain.

No, YEC, science ...and the bible tells us the earth is young. When you add up the ages of the people mentioned you get about 6,000 years. Bishop Usher did the math.

-57 · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
Why would that be a problem? The only problem is that God is infinite and there is a lot of information to work with. Each day in the Bible represents 1,000 years. I can give you an exact moment in time when this age began using the nano diamond comet. I can give you an exact moment in time with this age will come to an end using the Apophis astroid. We know that Jesus went to carvery at an exact moment in time. We know that the church age began 50 days later in the Upper Room on the day of Pentecost. We have very exact markers to go by. Just like the wise men were able to figure out the exact time and place when Jesus entered the world. They were there to greet Him with Gifts.

2,000 years from when Jesus died at Calvary the Apophis asteroid will be going over Jerusalem to mark that event and to give us the exact moment in time. As exact and as precise as time can be. Then that exact same asteroid will go over Jerusalem 7 years later. Only this will mark the day Jesus was raised up from the dead. That would be impossible for this to be a coincidence.

Here are all the scriptures that talks about the 8 th day: The Eighth Day

You've misapplied the bible when it talks about 1 day being 1000 years.

mmksparbud · Dec 4, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
This is a short teaching that can explain a lot better then I can . Jeremiah 4:23 talks about this also:
"I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty; I looked to the heavens, and they had no light".

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

This is during the 1000 years----and this is the bottomless pit---the abyss--to which Satan and his angels are sent. An empty earth--destroyed by the 2nd coming.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

He returns for the saved, the living wicked are destroyed and the rest of the wicked dead remain dead until the 1000 years---there is no one here for them to tempt until the resurrection of the wicked unto their judgment.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

-57 · Dec 4, 2019

klutedavid said:
The earth definitely exists before the first day occurs.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

The earth was dark and void before God moved over the surface of the waters. Then God said let there be light and there was the first evening and morning. The text does not say that the entire creation occurred in six days.

Yes it does...six days. Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day He rested. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

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