Genesis 6:4

[Fireinfolding]

Don't embrace the doctrine of fools?? I am not perfect and am learning if I don't understand I ask. I'm merely trying to understand your interpretation and how most of it is different from mine brother!

SpiritInTruth was answering to what I was questioning here

1Sam 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

This one bugs me ...


Prov 26:8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.

See? He was answering me, not you promise.

 

[Faith Sarai]

yes lol don't worry hehehe

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That wasnt computing all that fast upstairs bro I was like, David (a sling and a stone) and the other sling and the stone thing...And it bothered me, like, "now what"? I must be missing something.. so thanks

Normal feet feet have 5 not 6 toes on them. Well mine do and I did alot of pedicures as a manicuritst and I never saw more then 5 each

Though it appears the iron "mixed" (already) with "miry clay" is of "the they" that mingle themselves with "the seed of men".

Jesus speaks of this concerning Satans kingdom being divided, in the sense of that kingdom is shown divided?

I havent connected what the 5 smooth stones were for (along with the scrip) I just notice the disciples were sent without one in one place and with one in another place. I was chopply looking how it mentions Anakims in Gaza and Gath (and the other) whereas David was to draw near to Goliath of Gath (smote him on the head with a stone) it speaks of the iron and clay, but elsewhere of chariots of iron, Im getting the feeling they are connected somehow. I think when I ended up looking where the Spirit speaks to Philip "draw near" (in Gaza) unto (this was unto an ethiopian) in a "chariot" the Spirit said to "joined thyself" which would mean to cleave to the chariot (then preached to him Jesus). But its just the way its worded and where (Gaza) and "go near" (then join/cleave to) the chariot ( because it speaks of chariots of iron elsewhere) but I am yet comparing (but I still dont know yet).

You know... when its not worked out yet and you have these little pieces that dont make any sense to you yet. Where it looks like nonsense "at first" everything single time (but your sorta used to that) but you know if you wait on it (as you always do) and compare rightly it becomes more clearer later (as it always does). And nonsense turns and becomes revelation to you, it always happens, lol But I just usually hide it first, I dont like sharing "too little" before its "tied together" in a somewhat perceivable patern.

I only see in part and in pieces not fully on it yet, still hanging with it, if you have more fire on bro

God bless you brother

I was trying to show you the sign of time, which I have shown to you before in the number 5.5. The first 5 is shown over and over in scripture in various ways, like Elisabeth concieved 5 months before Mary, the first phase of the flood waters in Noah's time prevailed for 5 months, the locust army tormented men for 5 months, and so on.

The five smooth stones have to do with the second part of 5.5; which is shown in the sign of the hand.

But I'm not going to get into that here, it would not be proper, or in line with the O.P.

Sorry, didn't mean to send you off in the wrong direction. Peace

 

[Fireinfolding]

I was trying to show you the sign of time, which I have shown to you before in the number 5.5. The first 5 is shown over and over in scripture in various ways, like Elisabeth concieved 5 months before Mary, the first phase of the flood waters in Noah's time prevailed for 5 months, the locust army tormented men for 5 months, and so on.

The five smooth stones have to do with the second part of 5.5; which is shown in the sign of the hand.

But I'm not going to get into that here, it would not be proper, or in line with the O.P.

Sorry, didn't mean to send you off in the wrong direction. Peace

I do go off in some weird directions bro, its just how my ticker works

I can catch the five months and days adding up (to where you pointed to) but I have placed or found the five smooth stones connected to the same. So I wouldnt have caught that.

5 months (of water) 5 stones (in a brook) 5 months Elizabeth after conceiving John (hid herself) 5 months of the locusts (and the torment thereof)

John ate locusts ironically

Now if only it said, I will restore you the MONTHS the locust hath eaten verses YEARS I would love to connect that

I was like dang, years wont fit into months

God bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You have just given me Job 1:6-7
Look at verse six very very closely
In verse 6 it says the sons of God came to present themselves to the lord and satan came along with them...Two separate things here. You have the sons of God and Angels. These are the Angels who approved the wrong doing of the sons of God. Verse six is clue...it's talking about the Angels... sons of God. These are the Angels you have been refering to...Sons of God are not Angels, but where accompanied by Evil angels. There are two figures in verse 6.

Angels are ministering spirits, and those who are born of Gods Spirit are the sons of God.

Luke 20:35-36

King James Version (KJV)


35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Romans 8:17;"And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18. For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.19.For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the sons of God."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I do go off in some weird directions bro, its just how my ticker works

I can catch the five months and days adding up (to where you pointed to) but I have placed or found the five smooth stones connected to the same. So I wouldnt have caught that.

5 months (of water) 5 stones (in a brook) 5 months Elizabeth after conceiving John (hid herself) 5 months of the locusts (and the torment thereof)

John ate locusts ironically

Now if only it said, I will restore you the MONTHS the locust hath eaten verses YEARS I would love to connect that

I was like dang, years wont fit into months

God bless you brother

No dear, the 5 months have nothing to do with the 5 stones, but rather lead up to the sign of the 5 stones. What I said was the 5 stones have to do with the hand, and the fingers on the hand.

Search the sign of the hand.

We'll talk about it later Sis, maybe in another post.

 

[Fireinfolding]

No dear, the 5 months have nothing to do with the 5 stones, but rather lead up to the sign of the 5 stones. What I said was the 5 stones have to do with the hand, and the fingers on the hand.

Search the sign of the hand.

We'll talk about it later Sis, maybe in another post.

Numbers bro... so not my thing (as you well know) but I'll look, but why not start a post on the five stones (and the hand) besides I'd want to better see what your talking about there. Good to know anyways, because I sure wouldnt have caught it in relation to the others lol I was just "tossing it in" (given it a whirl) lol.

You know Im lost on numbers.

Good, we'll be done here I'll catch you on another

(open one on it) God bless you brother

 

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He smote him with a Single Stone, This same Stone that becomes the mountain that fills the earth. You behold this Stone till it becomes a great mountain and fills you earth. To bind this Stone is to bind things in heaven, this is a fool and the wisdom of this world. These things are within not without just as the giants in the land are between your ears. The kingdom of God is within you. Christ is the Truth, the Truth is I am, every thought under this obedience. The Spirit leads you into all Truth. The path is single. The fruit of the woman is knowedge, both good and evil, esau and jacob. She is unclean all the days of her separation. This is happening in us and as a people as a whole. We are the Bride of Christ and our soul is our Bride to Christ within us. When the days of separation are ended (in picture) we will be as enoch, and Enoch was not. Enoch walked with God 300 years, a fulness, he lived 365 years, a fulness, Enoch's Jubilee, everything returns. Just like Jesus, I go back to the Father, this One. The Path, Christ, is within, For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I guess girl angels aren't very pretty and God awful foolish to make angels all guys and endow them with tools that they will never use.

Also the five stones are to do with the feast of Pentecost, a feast of duality, this is the preparing in the wilderness for the day of His showing, this One stone. The habd drew the shulmite woman out and caused her to search everywhere but within.

The wicked is driven away in his wickedness: but the righteous hath hope in his death. Knowledge is what drove them from the Garden, they were afraid, fear has torment, perfect Love cast's out fear.

 

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Here's a portion that sums up the Whole Gospel, all the Words of this Life. It is the Father's Gospel, the Sons Gospel and Our Gospel. Father is to us as We are to Him/Them. A coming forth and a returning. To have the Mind that you are presently walking within what came out from you, and this One is what you are bring it back with you to. I saw (in me/we are one) yesterday a Door has opened in heaven and our separation is coming to an end, we are being called to ascend. This covering, adam, duality, flesh, is our infirmity.

If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

 

[granpa]

Genesis 6:4
" The nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them, these where the mighty men who were old, men of the renown"

Who were these sons of God mentioned here?And why did they go with daughters of man? who are the daughters of man?

I am reading through and just trying to understand the scriptures.

Thanks and God bless.

this is probably describing the evolution of Caucasians.

Who are these?

Job 1:6-7

King James Version (KJV)


6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The sons of God are angels,(spirits) and they can come in unto the daughters(women) of men.

1 Corinthians 11:10;"For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

Exodus 24:1-2 (NIV)
The Covenant Confirmed

1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. You are to worship at a distance,
2 but Moses alone is to approach the LORD; the others must not come near. And the people may not come up with him.”

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up
10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky.

 

[childofdust]

Who were these sons of God mentioned here?And why did they go with daughters of man? who are the daughters of man?

I am reading through and just trying to understand the scriptures.

Thanks and God bless.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Have you consulted a good commentary? Here is a snippet from Wenham's Word Biblical Commentary, Genesis 1-15 (not that I consider this a good commentary, but it, nevertheless, presents a basic outline of prevailing views):[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The sons of the gods” or “the sons of God.” - could be translated either way. Job 1:6; 2:1 lend support to the latter, while Pss 29:1; 89:7 make the former possible. However, it is the nature of “the sons of the gods/God,” that has perplexed commentators. Three main kinds of interpretation are offered by modern exegetes. First, “the sons of the gods” are nonhuman, godlike beings such as angels, demons, or spirits. Second, “the sons of the gods” are superior men such as kings or other rulers. Third, “the sons of the gods” are godly men, the descendants of Seth as opposed to the godless descendants of Cain.[/FONT]
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The “angel” interpretation is at once the oldest view and that of most modern commentators. It is assumed in the earliest Jewish exegesis (e.g., the books of 1 Enoch 6:2ff; Jubilees 5:1), LXX, Philo De Gigant 2:358), Josephus (Ant. 1.31) and the Dead Sea Scrolls (1QapGen 2:1; CD 2:17–19). The NT (2 Pet 2:4, Jude 6, 7) and the earliest Christian writers (e.g., Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen) also take this line.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Modern scholars who accept this view advance three main reasons for supporting it. First, elsewhere in the OT (e.g., Ps 29:1, Job 1:6) “sons of God” refers to heavenly, godlike creatures. Second, in 6:1–4 the contrast is between “the sons of the gods” on the one hand and “the daughters of man” on the other. The alternative interpretations presuppose that what Gen 6 really meant was that “the sons of some men” married “the daughters of other men.” The present phrase “sons of God” is, to say the least, an obscure way of expressing such an idea. It is made the more implausible by 6:1 where “man” refers to all mankind. It is natural to assume that in v 2 “daughters of man” has an equally broad reference, not a specific section of the human race. Finally, it is pointed out that in Ugaritic literature “sons of God” refers to members of the divine pantheon, and it is likely that Genesis is using the phrase in a similar sense.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

The royal interpretation was introduced into Jewish exegesis about the middle of the second century a.d., partly, it seems, out of conviction that angels could not indulge in sexual intercourse and partly to suppress speculation about them (P. S. Alexander, JJS 23 [1972] 60–71.) It subsequently became the most usual rabbinic view and has a number of Christian advocates as well (e.g., F. Dexinger, Sturz der Gottersöhne; M. G. Kline, WTJ 24 [1963] 187–204). D. J. A. Clines (JSOT 13 [1979] 35) suggests a combination of the angelic and royal interpretations: the sons of God may be “both divine beings and antediluvian rulers.”[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

In support of this view it is pointed out that judges are apparently identified with gods and the sons of the Most High in Ps 82. Certainly the Davidic king is called God’s son in 2 Sam 7:14 and Ps 2:7 and at Ugarit King Keret is described as El’s son. On this interpretation the kings were guilty of an abuse by marrying “whoever they chose,” i.e., compelling women to join their polygamous harems. It is urged that only an interpretation which identifies “sons of God” with men as opposed to angels can explain why men are judged for the intermarriages that occurred.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

The Sethite interpretation, for a long time the preferred Christian exegesis, again because it avoided the suggestion of carnal intercourse with angels, has few advocates today. In support of this view it was pointed out that the Sethites are the chosen line from whom Noah is descended, and that elsewhere in the Pentateuch the elect nation Israel is called God’s son (Exod 4:22; Deut 14:1).[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Eslinger ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]JSOT[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] 13 [1979] 65–73) has reversed the identifications, claiming that the Cainites are the “sons of God” and that the Sethites are the daughters of men, for in 4:19–24 it is Cain’s descendant Lamek who is the polygamist and it is the Sethites of chap. 5 who have sons and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]daughters[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. Furthermore he notes that the description of the sin of the sons of God, “they saw … good … took,” echoes Eve’s archetypal sin, so that they must be regarded as the sinful line, i.e., the Cainites. Though Eslinger has observed interesting echoes of the fall in Gen 6:2, he offers no explanation of why the wicked Cainites should be called “sons of God.” Nor do his other arguments carry conviction.[/FONT]

 

[Faith Sarai]

Childofdust,No I haven't consulted anyone...I brought it on here so I understand it.
thats a of interpretation you've given but we seem to agree on the fact that "Sons of God" are not angels. I think sons of God are are Seth's generation or kings or from higher ranks and they couldnt have been from Cain,he wasnt godly.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Furthermore he notes that the description of the sin of the sons of God, “they saw … good … took,” echoes Eve’s archetypal sin

This one was the exact one I found as well. The first seems to be in a similitude of a woman (in a singular sense) "who saw took and ate" and in the later similitude "the sons of God" (in a plural sense) who saw took them wives.

Forbidden fruit, whether of trees or offspring both can be shown as fruit, both could look good (or fair) and taken to oneself.

Always reminds of of whats written in revelation though, where these are virgins who have not defiled themselves with women (there)

 

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2Sa 11:2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon.

Gen 13:10 And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.

 

[dagelos]

Genesis 6:4
" The nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them, these where the mighty men who were old, men of the renown"

Who were these sons of God mentioned here?And why did they go with daughters of man? who are the daughters of man?

I am reading through and just trying to understand the scriptures.

Thanks and God bless.

I guess men.



31 And when they looked at the daughters of Cain, at their beautiful figures, and at their hands and feet dyed with colour, and tattooed in ornaments on their faces, the fire of sin was kindled in them.
32 Then Satan made them look most beautiful before the sons of Seth, as he also made the sons of Seth appear of the fairest in the eyes of the daughters of Cain, so that the daughters of Cain lusted after the sons of
Seth like ravenous beasts, and the sons of Seth after the daughters of Cain, until they committed abomination with them. 33 But after they had thus fallen into this defilement, they returned by the way they had come, and tried to ascend the Holy Mountain. But they could not, because the stones of that holy mountain were of fire flashing before them, by reason of which they could not go up again.



The Forgotten books of Eden,the second book of Adam and Eve chapter XX


You can go to sacred texts to read that...

 

[Faith Sarai]

I guess men.



31 And when they looked at the daughters of Cain, at their beautiful figures, and at their hands and feet dyed with colour, and tattooed in ornaments on their faces, the fire of sin was kindled in them.
32 Then Satan made them look most beautiful before the sons of Seth, as he also made the sons of Seth appear of the fairest in the eyes of the daughters of Cain, so that the daughters of Cain lusted after the sons of
Seth like ravenous beasts, and the sons of Seth after the daughters of Cain, until they committed abomination with them. 33 But after they had thus fallen into this defilement, they returned by the way they had come, and tried to ascend the Holy Mountain. But they could not, because the stones of that holy mountain were of fire flashing before them, by reason of which they could not go up again.



The Forgotten books of Eden,the second book of Adam and Eve chapter XX


You can go to sacred texts to read that...

This is what I've concluded too. generation of cain and Seth mixing. Makes alot of sense actually. Thanks