Genesis 6:4

[Faith Sarai]

Genesis 6:4
" The nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them, these where the mighty men who were old, men of the renown"

Who were these sons of God mentioned here?And why did they go with daughters of man? who are the daughters of man?

I am reading through and just trying to understand the scriptures.

Thanks and God bless.

 

[x141]

The Sons of God are the spiritual seed and the daughters of men are the daughters of Adam. Cain is after the image and likness of his father Adam, both were tillers of the field. This lineage genders to bondage and is the other gospel Paul spoke of to the galatians. It's gospel of works. You only work for what you do not have presently. So the daughters of men is our mind, she is unclean all the days of her separation and anythig she sits on. This is what the harlot in revealtion is a picture of, an unclean woman sitting on a dragon who is Adam. Jesus said all who came before me were robbers and thievies.

 

[Faith Sarai]

That's quite confusing. sons of men are spiritual seeds in this scripture?Are they Godly men.. do you have the bible verse for it? they were people who met daughters of man and had renowns. what do you think nenowns were? God was not happy with this...

God bless...

 

[x141]

Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord but the beginning of his kingdom was Babel or confusion. Nimrod was of the line of Cain. Sons of God are the spiritual seed (in type) and the other is the earthly, sons of men. You can follow this all the way through scripture. One is femine, the linage of Cain? Adam the other is masculine. These are just types that define what is happening within us between our Spirit/masculine and our Soul/feminine. The husband and the wife in the natural portray this truth of what is happening in us. To Egypt/feminne, Isarel/masculine was an abomination. This is about what is happening in us, but we as a whole are feminine to God as a whole people, the bride. We were ruled by our first husband Adam/flesh but now we have a new husband. One made us till the field/works the other/Jesus causes us to rest. The whole Bible can be summed up into one verse just like the universe or the waters can be calmed with a Word.

 

[StormHawk]

This page explains and ends all argument.

"God" is elohim", the gods - history , archaeology & the bible detail how tyrants rose up (and arguably still do) claiming to be sons of God, they were "god-kings", they usewd this influence to have many wives & concubines.

 

[Yada Yah]

Hello Faith Sarai,

I think that you'll discover that there are many different notions regarding the parties in this passage, depending on who you ask.

The book of Enoch suggests that these are fallen angels who found Adam's daughters desirable and produced extremely large humanoid giants. Since we've not discovered human remains of the scale that work suggests, and since it is not part of the Tanakh Scriptures, I found it sensible to re-examine the passage in amplification:

“The Napylym (naphylym– plural of naphal, meaning those who prostrate themselves, who have fallen away, who are oppressed, cast down, and die) existed (hayah) in the (ba ha) land (‘erets– region) in that day (yowm –time), and also (gam) afterward (‘ahar –at a later time). And indeed, relationally (‘asher) the sons (bene) of God (‘elohym) came to and pursued (bow’– were included in association with) the daughters of man, and they bore children to them. These men (‘ish–male individuals) were renown for (shem– named and famous for, earned a reputation for) magnifying themselves, going off to war, and behaving like arrogant tyrants (gibowr– acting like audacious and aggressive fighters as well as powerful despots) from the very beginning (‘olam–and for a very long time).” (Bare’shiyth / Genesis 6:4)

My own understanding on this passage, has changed overtime and admit that my current conclusion of it could well be off. With that caution given, I'll proceed as if you're interested in my understanding.

Previously I held a young earth perspective, and accepted the book of Enoch explanation. I'm now persuaded otherwise. From an old earth perspective, Adam need not the first humanoid on earth, rather is described as the first human made in God's likeness, being endowed with not only a nepesh (soul) like all animal life, but also a neshamah (conscience) - the ability to think and chose morally and relate his (or her) soul to God's Spirit.

If this is correct (a big "if") than the bene elohim - sons of god appear to be Adam's male heirs, finding daughters of man, (other humanoid females) not descended from Adam and Chawah (Eve) desirable. That the children from those unions produced a individuals who were more distant from God, and misused the abilities their consciense enabled them and were coming to dominate the land.

Further, if this is correct than other implications are that the flood of Noah, while vast, need only to have rid the land where people made in God's likeness, endowed with a neshamah dwelt and not crest Mount Everest. This could also mean that Noah's heirs may not have been the only humanoids on the planet, but were the only ones left made in God's likeness and endowed with a neshamah. When they spread out they settled among other peoples and shared their flood account as well as a neshamah.

Respectfully,

-Yada Yah

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Genesis 6:4
" The nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them, these where the mighty men who were old, men of the renown"

Who were these sons of God mentioned here?And why did they go with daughters of man? who are the daughters of man?

I am reading through and just trying to understand the scriptures.

Thanks and God bless.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

These sons of God are those evil angels(ministering spirits) who left their first estate and lusted after the flesh.

Jude 1:6;"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto judgment of the great day."

The giants brought forth from this union have a deeper spiritual meaning.

Because the scriptures tell us they were before the flood, and also after the flood of those days.

But we know by scripture that all flesh was destroyed in the flood of Noah's time, and everything that had the breath of life in it.

Meaning these fleshy Giants of old were a sign of the future spiritual Giants to come, who would also dominate the earth by dwelling in the hearts and minds of the daughters of men, or offspring of man. These carnally minded angels(spirits) manifest themselves in men by giving their minds over to spiritual evil.

These lying spirits(forces of darkness) works in the flesh of men and persuade the principalities and powers of this present world.

These are the giants of industry, commerce, banking, politics, science, religion, technology, etc; they practice and prosper through lies and deciet.

These are those who bring forth signs and lying wonders by way of their science and technology. They worship a god of war, and a god of materialism, whom they also worship with gold and silver, and all sorts of precious things.

Through their sorcery they have decieved the nations and their leaders. Their majicians are their prophets, who have names like the wizard of wall street, and the oracle of Omaha.

By their practice and policy they have decieved the world, and caused them to worship the creature over that of the Creator.

 

[Faith Sarai]

I don't think Genesis 6:2 gives a clear picture that the sons of God were evil. Why would they be called God's sons if they where evil?They happened to just fall in love with the daughters of man who were attractive but horrible,who I think maybe were from Cain's generation or his decendants.

Could it be that sons of God were indeed Godly men,because if you read from verse 1, you find that God was not happy with the fact that these sons where with Daughters of men who had done terrible things. The sons of God who I think are godly, chose these daughters of man as wives and bore children with them. It is this incident that angered God and ask Noah to build an ark before he destroyed the earth with flood.

Verse 5 " The lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". He knew if he didnt destroy the earth this evil would go from generation to generation and because they bore children of renown, the giants(abnormal beings),they threatened the seed through which the son of God,Jesus,would be born that is why he wanted to get rid of them.Because of this mis match I think Sons of God were good people and daughters of man who were attractive but evil and they made sons of God to sin.

It makes you think, what you have happened if Sons of God had not married daughters of man. would God not have destroyed the earth with flood?

 

[Faith Sarai]

Further, if this is correct than other implications are that the flood of Noah, while vast, need only to have rid the land where people made in God's likeness, endowed with a neshamah dwelt and not crest Mount Everest. This could also mean that Noah's heirs may not have been the only humanoids on the planet, but were the only ones left made in God's likeness and endowed with a neshamah. When they spread out they settled among other peoples and shared their flood account as well as a neshamah.


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Yes Noah was lived in God's likeness and God wanted to secure the good because the earth became evil.He did not want anything to interfear with the seed that was to give us Jesus. what if the sons of God did not marry daughters of man? I think sons of God are godly men by the way, there is no indication they were evil until they met daughters of man.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I don't think Genesis 6:2 gives a clear picture that the sons of God were evil. Why would they be called God's sons if they where evil?They happened to just fall in love with the daughters of man who were attractive but horrible,who I think maybe were from Cain's generation or his decendants.

Could it be that sons of God were indeed Godly men,because if you read from verse 1, you find that God was not happy with the fact that these sons where with Daughters of men who had done terrible things. The sons of God who I think are godly, chose these daughters of man as wives and bore children with them. It is this incident that angered God and ask Noah to build an ark before he destroyed the earth with flood.

Verse 5 " The lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of thoughts of his heart was only evil continually". He knew if he didnt destroy the earth this evil would go from generation to generation and because they bore children of renown, the giants(abnormal beings),they threatened the seed through which the son of God,Jesus,would be born that is why he wanted to get rid of them.Because of this mis match I think Sons of God were good people and daughters of man who were attractive but evil and they made sons of God to sin.

It makes you think, what you have happened if Sons of God had not married daughters of man. would God not have destroyed the earth with flood?

This spiritual relationship between the sons of God(spirit) and daughters of men(flesh) brought forth these Giants. Which is a sign of the spiritual giants to come.

If compare all other scripture that refers to the remnant of the giants, you will see that these were the bad guys, not good.

Moses and the children of Israel had to kill the giants who possessed the land of promise.

David(who was a shadow of Christ to come) fought against the giants, just as Davids servants(Christ's disciples) also fought with the spiritual giants of this world(which are not flesh and blood.)

Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

2 Samuel 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

The giants are bad guys.

 

[omanid]

I really feel it's impossible to know for sure.

 

[Fireinfolding]

This spiritual relationship between the sons of God(spirit) and daughters of men(flesh) brought forth these Giants. Which is a sign of the spiritual giants to come.

If compare all other scripture that refers to the remnant of the giants, you will see that these were the bad guys, not good.

Moses and the children of Israel had to kill the giants who possessed the land of promise.

David(who was a shadow of Christ to come) fought against the giants, just as Davids servants(Christ's disciples) also fought with the spiritual giants of this world(which are not flesh and blood.)

Joshua 13:12
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

2 Samuel 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

The giants are bad guys.

The giants are bad guys That was cute bro lol

Seems like markers set up here somewhat
　
(Gen 6:3-4)<--------------------Giants (n&#277;phiyl)here at this marker

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

-----------------------------> And after that Giants (n&#277;phiyl) the same Moses days which equal the above) in Numbers 13:33

Duet 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died

Before and the after of Giants (n&#277;phiyl) match here (before)


Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants the sons of Anak, which come of the giants and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

By Joshua (who followed after Moses (whose years equal that prophesied in Gen 6:3) speaking of these things (which were before) and were after also, we see it spoken of this way...

Joshua 11:32 There was none of the Anakims (descendents of Anak)left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained .

Whereas as you have pointed out David slew Goliath of Gath

1Sam 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

This one bugs me ...


Prov 26:8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.

Probrobly understanding it wrong there.

Good posts SpiritInTruth

God bless you brother

 

[Faith Sarai]

Ok am starting to understand that "sons of God " might be spiritual beings...I've read all the verses above am also reading Hebrews 1:9 and Psalm 45 because Sons of God are the "fellows" mentioned but I don't believe they were Angels at all.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The giants are bad guys That was cute bro lol

Seems like markers set up here somewhat
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(Gen 6:3-4)<--------------------Giants (n&#277;phiyl)here at this marker

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

-----------------------------> And after that Giants (n&#277;phiyl) the same Moses days which equal the above) in Numbers 13:33

Duet 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died

Before and the after of Giants (n&#277;phiyl) match here (before)


Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants the sons of Anak, which come of the giants and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

By Joshua (who followed after Moses (whose years equal that prophesied in Gen 6:3) speaking of these things (which were before) and were after also, we see it spoken of this way...

Joshua 11:32 There was none of the Anakims (descendents of Anak)left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained .

Whereas as you have pointed out David slew Goliath of Gath

1Sam 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

This one bugs me ...


Prov 26:8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.

Probrobly understanding it wrong there.

Good posts SpiritInTruth

God bless you brother

Did you know that David chose out 5 smooth stones to kill Goliath?

And did you know that John the Baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah to make the rough ways smooth?

And did you know it is the Rock of the Lord that shall bring down the giants of this world here in the last days?

Daniel 2:34
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Are there not 5 toes on one foot, and 5 toes on the other foot?

P.S. Don't embrace the doctrine of fools, like a sling embraces a stone.

Peace girl friend.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Ok am starting to understand that "sons of God " might be spiritual beings...I've read all the verses above am also reading Hebrews 1:9 and Psalm 45 because Sons of God are the "fellows" mentioned but I don't believe they were Angels at all.

Who are these?

Job 1:6-7

King James Version (KJV)


6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The sons of God are angels,(spirits) and they can come in unto the daughters(women) of men.

1 Corinthians 11:10;"For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

 

[Faith Sarai]

Did you know that David chose out 5 smooth stones to kill Goliath?

And did you know that John the Baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah to make the rough ways smooth?

And did you know it is the Rock of the Lord that shall bring down the giants of this world here in the last days?

Daniel 2:34
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Are there not 5 toes on one foot, and 5 toes on the other foot?

P.S. Don't embrace the doctrine of fools, like a sling embraces a stone.

Peace girl friend.

Don't embrace the doctrine of fools?? I am not perfect and am learning if I don't understand I ask. I'm merely trying to understand your interpretation and how most of it is different from mine brother!

 

[Faith Sarai]

I really feel it's impossible to know for sure.

Am not the only one then...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Don't embrace the doctrine of fools?? I am not perfect and am learning if I don't understand I ask. I'm merely trying to understand your interpretation and how most of it is different from mine brother!

Dear, that response was not at all directed at you, nor did it have anything to do with you, or anything you have said. It was only in response to the verse Fire had qouted in her post. Both me and her tend to joke around with each other at times, but it truly had nothing to do with you. Peace.

 

[Faith Sarai]

You have just given me Job 1:6-7&#57431;&#57431;&#57431;&#57431;
Look at verse six very very closely&#57430;
In verse 6 it says the sons of God came to present themselves to the lord and satan came along with them...Two separate things here. You have the sons of God and Angels. These are the Angels who approved the wrong doing of the sons of God. Verse six is clue...it's talking about the Angels... sons of God. These are the Angels you have been refering to...Sons of God are not Angels, but where accompanied by Evil angels. There are two figures in verse 6.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Did you know that David chose out 5 smooth stones to kill Goliath?

And did you know that John the Baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah to make the rough ways smooth?

And did you know it is the Rock of the Lord that shall bring down the giants of this world here in the last days?

Daniel 2:34
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Are there not 5 toes on one foot, and 5 toes on the other foot?

P.S. Don't embrace the doctrine of fools, like a sling embraces a stone.

Peace girl friend.

That wasnt computing all that fast upstairs bro I was like, David (a sling and a stone) and the other sling and the stone thing...And it bothered me, like, "now what"? I must be missing something.. so thanks

Normal feet feet have 5 not 6 toes on them. Well mine do and I did alot of pedicures as a manicuritst and I never saw more then 5 each

Though it appears the iron "mixed" (already) with "miry clay" is of "the they" that mingle themselves with "the seed of men".

Jesus speaks of this concerning Satans kingdom being divided, in the sense of that kingdom is shown divided?

I havent connected what the 5 smooth stones were for (along with the scrip) I just notice the disciples were sent without one in one place and with one in another place. I was chopply looking how it mentions Anakims in Gaza and Gath (and the other) whereas David was to draw near to Goliath of Gath (smote him on the head with a stone) it speaks of the iron and clay, but elsewhere of chariots of iron, Im getting the feeling they are connected somehow. I think when I ended up looking where the Spirit speaks to Philip "draw near" (in Gaza) unto (this was unto an ethiopian) in a "chariot" the Spirit said to "joined thyself" which would mean to cleave to the chariot (then preached to him Jesus). But its just the way its worded and where (Gaza) and "go near" (then join/cleave to) the chariot ( because it speaks of chariots of iron elsewhere) but I am yet comparing (but I still dont know yet).

You know... when its not worked out yet and you have these little pieces that dont make any sense to you yet. Where it looks like nonsense "at first" every single time (but your sorta used to that) but you know if you wait on it (as you always do) and compare rightly it becomes more clearer later (as it always does). And nonsense turns and becomes revelation to you, it always happens, lol But I just usually hide it first, I dont like sharing "too little" before its "tied together" in a somewhat perceivable patern.

I only see in part and in pieces not fully on it yet, still hanging with it, if you have more fire on bro

God bless you brother