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"The word "ḥayyim" (= "life") denotes first of all the animal existence which, according to Scripture, begins when "the breath [or spirit] of God" ("ruaḥ," "neshamah," or "nefesh") is first inhaled through the nostrils (Gen. i. 30, ii. 7, vii. 22; Job xxxiii. 4),"Science tells us that human life begins at the time of conception. From the moment fertilization takes place, the child’s genetic makeup is already complete. Its gender has already been determined, along with its height and hair, eye and skin color. The only thing the embryo needs to become a fully-functioning being is the time to grow and develop.
More importantly, God reveals to us in His Word that not only does life begin at conception, but He knows who we are even before then (Jeremiah 1:5). King David said this about God’s role in our conception: "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb . . . your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:13, 16).
There is no Scripture that says rattlesnakes are poisonous. . .so feel free to let your children play with rattlesnakes.
If you consult biology, however, you will find they are poisonous.
Origins are not the pattern for going forward.
Human life is a biological matter, and biology shows us when human life begins. . .at the union of the female egg and the male sperm into a living single cell, zygote, containing all the DNA genetic material for the complete development of a human being, nothing ever needing to be added, for all stages of life to death.
Human life beings at conception.
This is a trimmed down version of of my work on soul life ....
Although I rarely discuss the subject of when life begins biblically, for the simple reason that I don’t wish to lend any credence to the pro-choice movement. I believe abortion is morally wrong and it cheapens life to every degree…but biblically I have to stand with the truths of when life begins….This is a very controversial and emotional issue, but neither emotions nor someones belief override truth.
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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {Nepesh chai}
Soul is what gives the body life, vitality.... it's our breath life.
The natural man {the five senses man} is comprised of “body” and “soul”. The spiritual man who is born again is comprised of “body” “soul” and “spirit”
Both man, as well as animals, have soul life. In fact, soul life was first created in animals.
Genesis 1
:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
The words life in these two verses, are the Hebrew word nephesh = soul
:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good
:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
The word create in verse 21 is the Hebrew word ruach.... To create, is to bring into existence or make something out of nothing...Only God can create. And once God creates something He need not create it again ....He just speaks it into existence.
The word creature is the Hebrew word nephesh = soul
The word living is the Hebrew word chai meaning “moving” or “moving life”. Nephesh
chai is always used biblically as living life or living soul.
~~~~~~~~~~~~Where is the soul?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As Leviticus 17:11 states “the life of the flesh is in the blood”...
The word life in Leviticus 17:11 is the same word for soul {nephesh}
Going back to basic Biology:
Oxygen is delivered throughout the body by means of about 2 billion red blood cells ….actually it is the hemoglobin molecules from the red cells that deliver the oxygen to the individual cells in the body tissue. The bloodstream also picks up CO2 from the body and returns it to the lunges to be exhaled.
What happens when we die? The heart, which pumps the blood, which delivers the oxygen to the brain …… stops….. soul life ceases in that particular person…. but is carried on through prodigy. But if there is no offspring, the soul is gone when that person dies; there is nothing immortal about the soul.
The life of the soul {flesh} is in the blood …….
In Genesis 2:7 where The Lord God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
Simply stated…. life begins with breath life ….and the converse to that is… life ends when we take our last breath.
The same soul life that God created in Genesis 1:21, is the same soul life that God breathed into Adam, which made Adam a living soul….It is also the same soul life that continues in mankind today.
*God formed man of the dust of the ground = body.
The Hebrew word for formed is the word yatsar. = to be fashioned out of something that was already in existence.
*He breathed in man the breath of life and man was made a living soul
The word made is the Hebrew word asah = A substance required of which the thing made consisted.
*He created in man spirit so man could communicate with God.
God created man in his own image... God is spirit, and spirit has no form, no flesh or bones. This made it possible for man to communicate with God by way of what God is ……….spirit. This spirit was ultimately lost with the fall of man...and regained with the availability of the new birth through the accomplishments of Christ.
Formed, made, and created = Body, soul, and spirit.
In Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The words breathed into his nostrils is the figure of speech anthropopatheia or condescension. This figure is used of the ascription of human passions, actions, or attributes to God.
Of the 219 known figures of speech 212 are used throughout the Word of God. (E.W.Bullinger)
"The word "ḥayyim" (= "life") denotes first of all the animal existence which, according to Scripture, begins when "the breath [or spirit] of God" ("ruaḥ," "neshamah," or "nefesh") is first inhaled through the nostrils (Gen. i. 30, ii. 7, vii. 22; Job xxxiii. 4),"
LIFE - JewishEncyclopedia.com
If you go down this road, whatever criteria you use will be guess-work, resulting in an arbitrary decision for when life begins. And that’s exactly what Justice Blackmun, who wrote the court’s opinion in the Roe vs Wade case, called their decision which made the end of the first trimester the last point in time when an abortion could be legally performed: “arbitrary”.I think I might have posed this question last year sometime, but I want to post it again.
About 8 years ago I came to the conclusion that the Mainline Christian teaching of the subject of when life begins is incorrect. After some leading by the Lord on the subject and the study of the Scripture, there is no way I can support the belief that life begins at conception. Scripture does not support it. There is NO SCRIPTURE that says life begins at conception. There is a text that says very specifically when life, the very first life, began. Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
1 Does this text apply to all life?
2. Is this a model for how life is formed in the womb? the first formation then life is breathed into body?
3. Does the word formed mean conscious or unconscious.
4. In all the major text that are used to support life beginning at conception, the word formed us used? does this mean conscience or unconscience?
5. when the breath leave the body it is called death, post-life. Is the part BEFORE the breath enters the body pre-life?
6. If you believe life begins when the blood come into the body, then when is that and what do you call the condition before the blood?
Seems you somewhat missed the analogy.Rattlesnakes are not being talked about here, when life begins is. Christian have no Theological or Political, Moral view on Rattlesnakes, but they do have one on abortion.
That's how a democratic republic works. . .the people make the laws through their representatives in government.A view in which they seek to impose on others.
Then you don't know your biology.How ever there is no basis for this view.
What mistake was that? Having their beliefs?This is the same mistake the church made in the Middle Ages when they believed the earth to be the center of the universe.
Verse please, that I may examine its context.The scripture does not say that. It says "these are the outer parts of Gods ways" the outer cannot be the center.
Actually, it is you that is making the mistake, for biology proves otherwise.Christian are making the same mistake with Abortion, by claiming that like begins at conceptions,
"Formation" of what? . . .a living chicken?rather then saying that "formation" begins at conception,
Your "postulation" is not in agreement with the proven science of human life at conception.there is an unnecessary divide and unnecessary conflict. It is putting the church in harms way.
If life begins as I have postulated, when the breath of God come into the formed bod, then it is not necessary to have this fight.
Uh. . .simple observation?ON what is this based, you just wishing away the matter....POOF....GONE.....
When I realized that the same word for "formed" in Genesis 2:7 is used in Jeremiah 1:5, Ps. 139:13-16. It occured to me that since formed is not a person in one passage it must mean the same in another passage.
Agreed. . .and it is not my intention to make the argument from Scripture, it is my intention to make the argument from material fact, as we make the argument for gravity from material fact.The problem with this argument is that Human development come in stages. Yes the formation of the body begin at conception, but you cannot make the case from Scripture.
Indeed, it is. . .it is your misapplication of it that is the problem.Scripture is plain, the breath of God presence determines when a person is alive or dead.
Contrare. . .You cannot Claim as Christians do that life begins at conception, formation begins at conception. Life begins when God breath enters the body.
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
I’m not interested in arguing but it factually does say when he drew his first breath.
If you go down this road, whatever criteria you use will be guess-work, resulting in an arbitrary decision for when life begins. And that’s exactly what Justice Blackmun, who wrote the court’s opinion in the Roe vs Wade case, called their decision which made the end of the first trimester the last point in time when an abortion could be legally performed: “arbitrary”.
IOW, prior to that arbitrary point in time a fetus could be unnaturally surgically ripped from the mother’s womb while afterwards it has full legal right to life. Sort of a joke, and one we play on ourselves as we play God in deciding when life begins, and when it doesn’t. Conception is the only time we can logically say that life begins.
it is true that we don't go to the back yard and get some dirt and make people. but it does make sense that the same word used in Jeremiah 1:5 the word "formed" is used in both. in one place it is refers to non-living matter, why should I believe it refers to anything other then non-living matter in other places?Animals and humans do indeed have the same breath (breath of life)
Ecclesiastes 3:18
Berean Study Bible
For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.
After God created woman, he told them to “be fruitful and multiply… (Genesis 1:28b). And in Genesis 2:24 we are told “Therefore man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.” That is the DNA of the male joining with the DNA of the female to become a new and wholly unique human being. God didn’t say “Here’s the mold for baby boys and here’s the mold for baby girls. Now take three pounds of dirt and six cups of water; when you get it formed into what you want, you need to breathe into its nostrils and it will come alive.”
Jeremiah 1:5
New Living Translation
“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”
The breath of the first Adam must be taken in context of what Christ constitutes as that relationship with mankind, which is understanding in the context of the Holy Spirit, breathed upon them. When that breath appeared again it was as wind, with the addition of fire. Would you say that the wind and the fire were the same thing? As different as day and night, but simply because the many tongues were originally the same light by night and shade by day.God is the Source of all life.
His first breath was not his own it was the breath directly from God ... God bestowed the gift of pro-creation to His creations.
Animals have the breath of life as well .... but they were created differently ... nothing about God breathing into their nostrils.
I think the breathing into man's nostrils shows how God intended to have a special personal relationship with mankind .... whereas the rest of creation not. Mankind was created in His image to be part of the divine family.
God cares about all His creation .... but doesn't have a personal relationship with them (keyword personal/person).
the scripture is very clear Genesis 2:7 says life begin when the breath of God enters the material matter and ends when it leave the material matter. The question for us to consider today is does the existence of material matter equal a living person? According the scripture it does not. According to observation it does not. when a person dies we are left with a body, material matter, no reasonable person would argue that, burying it , burning, harvesting the organs or parting it out would be evil or harmful it is dead, it has no thoughts or no feelings, it has no awareness. Which brings me to the point, in order to be considered a person you have to have thoughts, feelings & awareness. At conception this is not the case, you have material matter that is being formed & prepared to enable this but it is not there yet. In this initial period it would not be killing a person , because it is not alive, yet. it would termanating the formation process.
the scripture is very clear Genesis 2:7 says life begin when the breath of God enters the material matter and ends when it leave the material matter. The question for us to consider today is does the existence of material matter equal a living person? According the scripture it does not. According to observation it does not. when a person dies we are left with a body, material matter, no reasonable person would argue that, burying it , burning, harvesting the organs or parting it out would be evil or harmful it is dead, it has no thoughts or no feelings, it has no awareness. Which brings me to the point, in order to be considered a person you have to have thoughts, feelings & awareness. At conception this is not the case, you have material matter that is being formed & prepared to enable this but it is not there yet. In this initial period it would not be killing a person , because it is not alive, yet. it would termanating the formation process.
The breath of the first Adam must be taken in context of what Christ constitutes as that relationship with mankind, which is understanding in the context of the Holy Spirit, breathed upon them. When that breath appeared again it was as wind, with the addition of fire. Would you say that the wind and the fire were the same thing? As different as day and night, but simply because the many tongues were originally the same light by night and shade by day.
Of course, Scripture is very clear. No doubt. So a dead person isn't living matter which I would agree with but neither is a fetus since it's life depends on the mother until viability? And the moment it could sustain itself outside the womb as it physically breathes is when it becomes a living human being? And if we happen to abort it 2 seconds before then we've committed murder and broken the fifth commandment but otherwise we're good to go. Very clearthe scripture is very clear Genesis 2:7 says life begin when the breath of God enters the material matter and ends when it leave the material matter. The question for us to consider today is does the existence of material matter equal a living person? According the scripture it does not. According to observation it does not. when a person dies we are left with a body, material matter, no reasonable person would argue that, burying it , burning, harvesting the organs or parting it out would be evil or harmful it is dead, it has no thoughts or no feelings, it has no awareness. Which brings me to the point, in order to be considered a person you have to have thoughts, feelings & awareness. At conception this is not the case, you have material matter that is being formed & prepared to enable this but it is not there yet. In this initial period it would not be killing a person , because it is not alive, yet. it would termanating the formation process.
it is the very thing that defines weather a person is alive or not. Conscience is being defined as having feeling and awareness.Being Conscience or not has nothing to do with whether something is alive or not.
you are getting my point, the same conditions that exist at the end of existence also exist at the beginning of our existence.Of course, Scripture is very clear. No doubt. So a dead person isn't living matter which I would agree with but neither is a fetus since it's life depends on the mother until viability? And the moment it could sustain itself outside the womb as it physically breathes is when it becomes a living human being? And if we happen to abort it 2 seconds before then we've committed murder and broken the fifth commandment but otherwise we're good to go. Very clear
It seems to so that the flesh such as animals or spiritual beings such as angels which have life w/o the breath, that the breath is confined to spiritual things and not applicable to human gvmnt.All animals receive the breath of life. However, mankind is the only creation that can receive the Holy Spirit (born again).
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