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Tell that to YECs that want to make it out to be a modern science textbook.What I meant was that the bible is God's inspired word. As such, we don't need to measure its contents by modern science or by ancient near east cosmology.
I’ve seen that posted several times over the past few months. If you don’t mind me asking a question. I’m kinda perplexed when I see that posted. I could understand someone who doesn’t believe in the Bible or someone who doesn’t believe in Christianity posting that to devalue or marginalize the Bible. What I don’t understand is why would a Christian post that? Please don’t take offense to the question it truly is a question I have.
Why do you think that reflecting on the context of the original authorship of the Bible is "marginalizing" it?I’ve seen that posted several times over the past few months. If you don’t mind me asking a question. I’m kinda perplexed when I see that posted. I could understand someone who doesn’t believe in the Bible or someone who doesn’t believe in Christianity posting that to devalue or marginalize the Bible. What I don’t understand is why would a Christian post that? Please don’t take offense to the question it truly is a question I have.
It marginalizes it by presenting a marginalized message. You don’t see how that devalues the Bible? Showing that the Bible is based on incorrect information diminishes the information that the Bible is saying. It allows you to disregard or change the content of the Bible where you deem appropriate.Why do you think that reflecting on the context of the original authorship of the Bible is "marginalizing" it?
ESV Job 22:14
Thick clouds veil him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the vault of heaven.’ or
ESV Job 37:18
Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?
from the NASB, Amos 9:6
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name.
It isnt marginalization, so much as it is, simply recognizing that the Old Testament authors were communicating their message through their cultural background.
Pointing out that the Bible has a context, is not equivalent to suggesting that it's based on false information. God is still the King of Kings, the Most High, whether the Bible speaks about God through an ancient context or not. And none of this has anything to do with Jesus either. It's an old testament concept.It marginalizes it by presenting a marginalized message. You don’t see how that devalues the Bible? Showing that the Bible is based on incorrect information diminishes the information that the Bible is saying.
That is what you are suggesting. That it’s based on a flat earth (false information)Pointing out that the Bible has a context, is not equivalent to suggesting that it's based on false information.
You are even using translations of the Bible that most closely align with that messageGod is still the King of Kings, the Most High, whether the Bible speaks about God through an ancient context or not. And none of this has anything to do with Jesus either. It's an old testament concept.
The old testament is not based on the shape of the earth. It's a message about who God is, and things like the purposes of mankind. It's not about the shape of the earth.That is what you are suggesting. That it’s based on a flat earth (false information)
The Old Testament is primarily a historical document of the Jewish people. The main theme of that History is to show the effect of obedience vs disobedience to God. Cosmology views and science have little to no impact on historical writingsThe old testament is not based on the shape of the earth. It's a message about who God is, and things like the purposes of mankind. It's not about the shape of the earth.
Just because something is in the Bible, doesn't mean that the Bible is based on that detail.
There are Egyptian gods in the Bible. But I'm pretty sure the Bible is not based on them either.
So, are you disagreeing with me by suggesting that the Old Testament is based on flat earth?The Old Testament is primarily a historical document of the Jewish people. The main theme of that History is to show the effect of obedience vs disobedience to God. Cosmology views and science have little to no impact on historical writings
I disagree with your post/position and image of the Ancient Israelite Cosmology (as if that was indeed what the Ancient Israelites believed) and your implications that the Bible is influenced or has any basis in that.So, are you disagreeing with me by suggesting that the Old Testament is based on flat earth?
Remember, I am saying that
"The old testament is not based on the shape of the earth. It's a message about who God is, and things like the purposes of mankind. It's not about the shape of the earth.
Just because something is in the Bible, doesn't mean that the Bible is based on that detail.
There are Egyptian gods in the Bible. But I'm pretty sure the Bible is not based on them either."
So, are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Well, obviously.I disagree with your post/position and image of the Ancient Israelite Cosmology (as if that was indeed what the Ancient Israelites believed) and your implications that the Bible is influenced or has any basis in that.
That is what you are suggesting. That it’s based on a flat earth (false information)
You are even using translations of the Bible that most closely align with that message
The problem is that that is NOT the Ancient Israelite Cosmology. And the Bible is not based on that principle.
I’m perplexed.
Yet you keep bringing it upThe old testament is not based on the shape of the earth.
It seems you are reluctant to mention the Historical purpose of the Bible. I may have overlooked it if you did mention it.It's a message about who God is, and things like the purposes of mankind. It's not about the shape of the earth.
Egyptian gods in the Bible?There are Egyptian gods in the Bible. But I'm pretty sure the Bible is not based on them either.
Perhaps we disagree here to some extent. For me the core message is God creating the universe for man with the purpose of establishing his family with man.For me, the Bible’s core message is about God’s nature, His relationship with humanity, and the spiritual truths that transcend culture and time.
Historical documents hold little to no worldview but rather presents historically what occurred. The Old Testament is primarily a historical document - especially Genesis - DeutRecognizing that the Bible reflects the worldview of its original audience (like ancient near east cosmology) doesn’t mean the Bible is wrong or irrelevant.
Egyptian gods in the Bible?Rather, it highlights God’s ability to meet people where they are, even in their understanding of the world. The same way we don’t believe in the Egyptian gods mentioned in the Bible, we can still learn profound truths from these ancient texts. (I'm assuming that you don't believe that Egyptian gods of the OT are real).
Yet you keep bringing it up
It seems you are reluctant to mention the Historical purpose of the Bible. I may have overlooked it if you did mention it.
Ok first you say there is a contextual perspective of the shape of the earth is in the Bible (their isn’t one)That's because an ancient contextual perspective of it, is in the Bible.
We do not know what the ancient Israelites knew about the shape of the earth. The Bible makes no reference to it.And history is not inherently scientific in nature. I can tell you the history of world war 2, but that has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Do you think that ancient Israelites not knowing the shape of the earth, prevents them from telling history?
Hi PlatteOk first you say there is a contextual perspective of the shape of the earth is in the Bible (their isn’t one)
And then you say that history (the Bible) has nothing to do with the shape of the earth
We do not know what the ancient Israelites knew about the shape of the earth. The Bible makes no reference to it.
Egyptian gods in the Bible?
I imagine he was thinking of things like the worship of the golden calf, which was based on an Egyptian deity.Egyptian gods in the Bible?
It's more than that. God judges pagan deities in many locations throughout the old testament.I imagine he was thinking of things like the worship of the golden calf, which was based on an Egyptian deity.
True, but before, you mention Egyptian gods in particular.It's more than that. God judges pagan deities in many locations throughout the old testament.
Psalm 82:1-3, 6-8 ESV
[1] God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment: [2] “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah [3] Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
[6] I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; [7] nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.” [8] Arise, O God, judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!
Psalm 89:5-8 ESV
[5] Let the heavens praise your wonders, O Lord, your faithfulness in the assembly of the holy ones! [6] For who in the skies can be compared to the Lord? Who among the heavenly beings is like the Lord, [7] a God greatly to be feared in the council of the holy ones, and awesome above all who are around him? [8] O Lord God of hosts, who is mighty as you are, O Lord, with your faithfulness all around you?
That's what God does throughout the old testament. That's why it is repeated, "who is as mighty as you are? Who in the skies?".
It's not talking about golden statues. It's talking about the actual gods of the nations.
Exodus 12:12 ESV
[12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord.
That's what the Exodus plagues are all about. It is God defeating the Egyptian pantheon. Each plague involves the defeat of a pagan god. Such as the plague of darkness demonstrating Gods power over the Egyptian sun god.
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