generational curses?

[Mrs.Amy]

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me (Deuteronomy 5:9 )


Do you think Christians can be under a generational curse? Cursed for the sins of their ancestors? I have read a few articles on the subject and some say that yes, it is possible; that you are saved by the blood of Jesus as far as your salvation and eternal life goes. But that you could still be subject to this curse in your earthly existence. It steals your overall quality of life. You may be sicker physically or even harbor feelings of depression, anxiety and low self esteem. They say it is like genetics; if your father is an alcoholic, then there is a high risk that you may fall into that same behavior. They even suggest that one characteristic of a generational curse would be diseases and disorders which are inherited. One article even suggested that you need to track down some family members and ask them what kinds of things they could have done that were exceptionally 'against' God. Make up a list and confess all these sins to God to be freed.

Yet some other articles say if you are a Christian and have accepted Jesus as your Savior, then you can not be under this curse, for

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (Galatians 3:13)
They say once you become a Christian then all your past sins are forgotten and you are made new. Nothing old is left to linger over your head.

So, my questions are:
1) What do you believe a generational curse to be? (signs, symptoms or ‘happenings’ that you would use to say someone has this curse)
2) What kinds of sins would be responsible for creating this curse?
3) Are Christians subject to them still?
4) How do you break a generational curse?
5) Do you think demonic oppression and experiences with the demonic throughout your family's history are signs of a possible curse?

 

[green wolverine]

It's superstition. Don't buy into it.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

yes,dont believe it!
Look right here,where the curses are mentioned.

We are not resposible for others actions.



The generational curse was settled in Jeremiah and Ezekiel:

29 In those days they shall say no more:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31)

1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 “ Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die. (Ezekiel 18)

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

yes,dont believe it!
Look right here,where the curses are mentioned.

We are not resposible for others actions.



The generational curse was settled in Jeremiah and Ezekiel:

29 In those days they shall say no more:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31)

1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 “ Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die. (Ezekiel 18)

Problem is that this passage has nothing to do with Spiritual Warfare. So the context has nothing to do with what she is asking about.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

Problem is that this passage has nothing to do with Spiritual Warfare. So the context has nothing to do with what she is asking about.

Hi.
I posted scripture to show we are not under a curse,as new covenant believers.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Hi.
I posted scripture to show we are not under a curse,as new covenant believers.

And I am telling you that the Jeremiah/Ezekiel citation that you provided HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIRITUAL WARFARE. As such, hermeneutically, you cannot use that Scripture to discount Gen curses.

You may be right . . . Gen curses may not affect us at all . . . cool. JUST DON'T USE THAT SCRIPTURE AS THIS IS NOT WHAT IT MEANS.

Jeremiah and Ezekiel, contextually, are refering to the practice of "passing the buck." The people were using this excuse (the fathers grapes sour the teeth of the sons) to try and excuse responsibility. Oh it is not my fault . . . I am suffering for the error of my dad. So, mr prophet . . . don't rebuke me . . . I dont count.

That is the context and God is doing away with the excuse. The passage has nothing to do with breaking the strongholds of demons within people's lives.

 

[heymikey80]

I'd certainly agree there's nothing at all that will ever override the grace of salvation. It's fundamental.

I think we also ought to distinguish a clear difference between generational / national / group curses and God's treatment of individuals. As the Ezekiel 18 passage says, in the point of righteousness, it's not generational. Plus, curses don't "make" people sinful. God's curse on Adam didn't "make" him sinful. He was already there.

Curses, though ... they exist. Blessings exist at the group level; curses do as well. They exist. Adam's been deprived of his standing before God -- all of us are affected by that deprived standing. The people of Israel are hardened against their Messiah, and it pains me to even think of the consequences there.

Groups have remnants, though. Paul talks about remnants some in Romans 9 & 11. I think it's clear that group blessings and curses are not comprehensive, not pervasive, and they are often highly conditioned. They can't be absolute. I think of Baalam's example. I think of God's restraint of Satan toward Job. A righteous group or a person can clearly be protected by God. Blessings and curses are subject to God's own decisions.

So to me there can be generational curses. Such things are much more difficult to apply on Christians and their generations because God favors them -- that's what "grace" really means: "favor". But as Romans 11:18ff points out, we don't deserve this overwhelming favor from God, and may lose some of it through arrogance -- which would no longer rely as much on the God who favors us, solely from His love.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

And I am telling you that the Jeremiah/Ezekiel citation that you provided HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIRITUAL WARFARE. As such, hermeneutically, you cannot use that Scripture to discount Gen curses.

You may be right . . . Gen curses may not affect us at all . . . cool. JUST DON'T USE THAT SCRIPTURE AS THIS IS NOT WHAT IT MEANS.

Jeremiah and Ezekiel, contextually, are refering to the practice of "passing the buck." The people were using this excuse (the fathers grapes sour the teeth of the sons) to try and excuse responsibility. Oh it is not my fault . . . I am suffering for the error of my dad. So, mr prophet . . . don't rebuke me . . . I dont count.

That is the context and God is doing away with the excuse. The passage has nothing to do with breaking the strongholds of demons within people's lives.

Good morning.
I posted scripture to show that there are no curses.Seems as though you are trying to have a conversation that is not allowed on the forum.
The deliverance ministry is one that has no scriptural truth for a Chrisitian today,so please do not try to teach a bogus concept.

Sadly this is all part of a false doctrine that extreme Charismatics float about that believe Chrisitians can be possed,living under a curse,and many other unscriptural ideas.

This is the covenant section,not a "warfare section" of the forum.

The thread is about curses,there are none to indicate that we are under them,to the contrary,we are not,as per Jer and Ez.


It says no more,because we are in the new covenant.That is the clear scriptural truth being conveyed as the answer.



29 In those days they shall say no more:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31)

 

[heymikey80]

I appreciate that it's possible that's what Jeremiah was hearing from God. I mean, "in those days" may actually mean "in the New Creation" -- where would cursing be, there?

I do take Ezekiel 18 to point directly to God's judging individuals as to righteousness and not generations of a family based on what went before -- there's no mistaking God's point, I agree, and His attack on the practice of prejudging a family in OT times is clear.

I just see a whole lot of things even in the New Testament as generational-like, or group-like comments. Especially the hardening of Israel. That's such a surprise to me, and the way things read at the end of Romans 11 just seems like something's happening there that we might conventionally call a curse.

It's certainly a definite point in Rom 9 that generational or national curses don't matter to individuals being God's people any more, either.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

I appreciate that it's possible that's what Jeremiah was hearing from God. I mean, "in those days" may actually mean "in the New Creation" -- where would cursing be, there?

I do take Ezekiel 18 to point directly to God's judging individuals as to righteousness and not generations of a family based on what went before -- there's no mistaking God's point, I agree, and His attack on the practice of prejudging a family in OT times is clear.

I just see a whole lot of things even in the New Testament as generational-like, or group-like comments. Especially the hardening of Israel. That's such a surprise to me, and the way things read at the end of Romans 11 just seems like something's happening there that we might conventionally call a curse.

It's certainly a definite point in Rom 9 that generational or national curses don't matter to individuals being God's people any more, either.

Yes.Also when we read all the verses about who we are,they talk about being risen wirh him,transfered out of the domain of darkness etc..

I think it is also fine to talk warfare at the appropriate place on the forum.Yes, it exists,but curses are generational,and that is different.

We are a whole new creation,created in righteousness and true holiness,not one of a carnal connection to past sins,I had nothing to do with,and are at the cross.

 

[Mrs.Amy]

Well I was sort of on the fence about this before.
I have had several Christians tell me my family could be under a curse, then several tell me otherwise.
After doing some studying, I have come to the conclusion that I beleive curses are broken with the New Covenant which was Jesus:

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. 18 Now everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

Well I was sort of on the fence about this before.
I have had several Christians tell me my family could be under a curse, then several tell me otherwise.
After doing some studying, I have come to the conclusion that I beleive curses are broken with the New Covenant which was Jesus:

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. 18 Now everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us.

Yes,and that is the key.

The "spiritual warfare people" try to mix the 2.

Curses connect me to the past.

The past is ended at the cross.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Good morning.
I posted scripture to show that there are no curses.Seems as though you are trying to have a conversation that is not allowed on the forum.
The deliverance ministry is one that has no scriptural truth for a Chrisitian today,so please do not try to teach a bogus concept.

Sadly this is all part of a false doctrine that extreme Charismatics float about that believe Chrisitians can be possed,living under a curse,and many other unscriptural ideas.

This is the covenant section,not a "warfare section" of the forum.

The thread is about curses,there are none to indicate that we are under them,to the contrary,we are not,as per Jer and Ez.


It says no more,because we are in the new covenant.That is the clear scriptural truth being conveyed as the answer.



29 In those days they shall say no more:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31)

Whatever bro. The op is asking from a Spiritual Warfare perspective.

I am not trying to *have* any kind of conversation . . . so please do not assume.

I am only pointing out that the passages of Scripture that you have posted are passages that have NOTHING to do with what the OP is about . . . not even the New Covenant that you are refering to.

Whether "curses" exist for the Christian or not in light of the cross has NOTHING to do with what I am saying.

so again, hermeneutically speaking, you cannot use THOSE texts to say that curses are not in effect. YOU MAY BE RIGHT (I personally have not come a conclusion whether they are legit or not) . . . fine.
You just cannot use these passages as proof . . . for it is NOT what these passages teach.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

Whatever bro. The op is asking from a Spiritual Warfare perspective.

I am not trying to *have* any kind of conversation . . . so please do not assume.

I am only pointing out that the passages of Scripture that you have posted are passages that have NOTHING to do with what the OP is about . . . not even the New Covenant that you are refering to.

Whether "curses" exist for the Christian or not in light of the cross has NOTHING to do with what I am saying.

so again, hermeneutically speaking, you cannot use THOSE texts to say that curses are not in effect. YOU MAY BE RIGHT (I personally have not come a conclusion whether they are legit or not) . . . fine.
You just cannot use these passages as proof . . . for it is NOT what these passages teach.

They do.It is called the new covenant.He does not recall our sins,or our ancestors upon us.
You tried to take one truth,spiritual warfare, to try to make yor theory true.

2 different things.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Well I was sort of on the fence about this before.
I have had several Christians tell me my family could be under a curse, then several tell me otherwise.
After doing some studying, I have come to the conclusion that I beleive curses are broken with the New Covenant which was Jesus:

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. 18 Now everything is from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us.

For the Christian, curses are like sin . . . the power has been broken at the cross . . . but the effects may still remain . . . though sin does not rule . . . it still has great effects.

The thing with what some call "curses" (which is probably a BAD term as it connotes witches on brooms and boiling cauldrons) is that, just like sin, the power of the cross must be actively laid hold of. Sin may have been defeated upon the cross . . . but I may still very regularly struggle with sinful anger in old habit patterns. I have to step into the grace which God provides in the cross to sever the power of sin and grow in sanctification.

In the same way, what some call "generational curses," are surely broken in the cross . . . but the "power" of such a thing needs to be handled in the same way as sin . . . it must be approached as already defeated and then the power of the cross and the truth of the Gospel must then be asserted.

Pax

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

They do.It is called the new covenant.He does not recall our sins,or our ancestors upon us.
You tried to take one truth,spiritual warfare, to try to make yor theory true.

2 different things.

Let's try this . . . do you know what hermeneutics is?

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

Let's try this . . . do you know what hermeneutics is?

The fact that you hold it up as such a great challenge,shows your own silly procupation, with what most people already know.

 

[BIBLE TIMES]

For the Christian, curses are like sin . . . the power has been broken at the cross . . . but the effects may still remain . . . though sin does not rule . . . it still has great effects.

The thing with what some call "curses" (which is probably a BAD term as it connotes witches on brooms and boiling cauldrons) is that, just like sin, the power of the cross must be actively laid hold of. Sin may have been defeated upon the cross . . . but I may still very regularly struggle with sinful anger in old habit patterns. I have to step into the grace which God provides in the cross to sever the power of sin and grow in sanctification.

In the same way, what some call "generational curses," are surely broken in the cross . . . but the "power" of such a thing needs to be handled in the same way as sin . . . it must be approached as already defeated and then the power of the cross and the truth of the Gospel must then be asserted.

Pax

Sorry..
You are incorrect.
Prove the curse?
Flesh is flesh,but that does not prove a spiritual curse.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

To the OP:

Absolutely not.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

The fact that you hold it up as such a great challenge,shows your own silly procupation, with what most people already know.

R U serious?

I asked you a serious question . . . and this is what you respond with?

Context determines meaning . . . and context does not allow you to make the interpretative conclusion that you have. So instead of making a presumption about you . . . I asked a fair and honest question so as to be fair to you.