Generational Curses.

[SumMer87]

I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength
Phil4:13

pinkputter said this a while ago. just wanted to add it again because it seems as though you all are arguing over petty things-- so surprised?? not really on this forum.
but AS CHRISTIANS one thing we can all agree on is: THERE IS such a thing as SIN......furthermore.......we are not perfect.....the only one Who is died FOR THOSE very sins because OF our imperfect sinful human nature..........generational sin OR NOT, there IS SIN............and no matter what "kind" of sin it is, all things are possible thru Christ who gives me STRENGTH

it is my personal belief that there are such things as generational sins, but again, it is a type of sin, we can THANK PRAISE and SING GLORY to Jesus our Lord for dying to give us GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the end

 

[Floatingaxe]

We aren't discussing sin per se.

 

[gratefulgrace]

No, I know the blood of Jesus is more than sufficient. Salvation is ours, amen! It is also the point at which we become children of God. Babies! Sometimes we are sick babies!

We have EVERYTHING we need in Christ for healing and wholeness and freedom. Do we POSSESS it? Nope. We need INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. We need, like Lazarus needed: people of God to UNWRAP US FROM OUR STINKING SHROUDS!

Grown up faith realizes this and teaches it--and instructs these truths.

Sanctification isn't getting more saved. It's getting more free and more like Jesus and powerful in our walk.

FA that I have absolutely no problem with your above post and I say a hearty amen to it except the getting more free part. But wht I disagree is the premise that we are somehow cursed by our ancestors and need a separate work of God to get free of it. Of course we need nurture and discipleship and care and teaching from those more mature in the body of Christ. Paul states his goal in Colossians. It was to present everyman "mature in Christ"

Col 1:22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-

Col 1:28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

I wish you peace
gratefulgrace

 

[Floatingaxe]

FA that I have absolutely no problem with your above post and I say a hearty amen to it except the getting more free part.

We can all be made more free in our early walk, and if we are perfect Christians than I suppose not! So far, I've never met a perfect Christian who doesn't have any trouble in life.

If you have no ancestral effects, then that's good! Not everyone does.

But wht I disagree is the premise that we are somehow cursed by our ancestors and need a separate work of God to get free of it.

Many Christians need lots of work! He is able.

Of course we need nurture and discipleship and care and teaching from those more mature in the body of Christ. Paul states his goal in Colossians. It was to present everyman "mature in Christ"

Col 1:22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-

Col 1:28We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ.

I wish you peace
gratefulgrace

Amen!

 

[Tenebrae]

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

I know its called the Cross

Isnt it awesome
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Yes it is!

Too bad people ignore it, thinking they are automatically free upon salvation, when they need to be taught how to appropriate their freedom.

What do you think discipling is all about?

There are demoniacs and drug addicts, homosexuals and people bound up in the occult and in bondage due to childhood sexual abuse and rejection--scarred people who are not immediately freed upon salvation. Salvation is the first step on the road to freedom!

Face reality.


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Sorry I just could not stop myself from posting. I don't call it generational curse I call it growing in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord. Spiritual maturity. What you are implying FA whether you realize it or not is that Christs sacrifice was not sufficient, if as you say it is just the first step. Isn't this what the judaizers taught and Paul wrote about in Galations. If we are not free at salvation there is nothing more that can be done to free us.
We may not be walking in freedom but that is different. Are there different levels of spirituality in your church. I don't get any more saved as I grow in the Lord. I just get wiser and more understanding of the GRACE in which I stand. gg

Interestingly enough and I will try to find the article, but there is research that suggests that addiction can have a genetic link,, in much the same way depression can do so.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Interestingly enough and I will try to find the article, but there is research that suggests that addiction can have a genetic link,, in much the same way depression can do so.

There ya go!

 

[Cassidy]

Thank you Doveaman for highlighting the issue so we can once again clarify what a generational curse is and show that a later scriptural command from God states that no child will be held accountable for the sin of an ancestor.

Generational curses cannot touch a Christian, but such things as genetics, lifestyle and relationship issues can cause emotional damage, illness, sin, unforgiveness etc. to mar our lives.

That is not a curse travelling down generations, it's a cause/effect everyday life matter.


Jeremiah 31
29 In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes— his own teeth will be set on edge.


Ezekiel 18

1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:
'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'?

3As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son— both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.



In those days says God to Jeremiah...which days? The days of the New Covenant - TODAY!

(In fact, it looks like Ezekiel was saying the time was already come even under the Old Covenent doesn't it?)

Fantastic scriptures!!!

 

[Tenebrae]

There ya go!

genetics has nothing to do with this generational claptrap

 

[KleinerApfel]

Generational curses cannot touch a Christian, but such things as genetics, lifestyle and relationship issues can cause emotional damage, illness, sin, unforgiveness etc. to mar our lives.

That is not a curse travelling down generations, it's a cause/effect everyday life matter.

That is exactly what we are referring to as a generational curse. We agree, but the terminology offends you.

But that is exactly what it is.

But those things are NOT a generational curse!!!

That is exactly the problem here - some of you are claiming a non-biblical definition of the term.

In the bible, a generational curse, as someone quoted from Numbers, means
punishment of sin meted out to an individual, not because he or she sinned, but because a parent, grandparent or so on did so.

If people believe they are saved and free in Christ and yet can be "legally" under a curse from God and receive punishment through horrible things in their lives, then they will live in fear, and fear will take them captive, then all kinds of nasty things go wrong because fear drives us hard and wild until we can't see what's up and what's down!

So don't tell people they're under a curse - it's placing them under bondage to fear!

By the way Floatingaxe, telling people who don't agree with you that they're "offended" or need to "face reality" is rude!

(I like you really, I just am perplexed at some of the beliefs here. Keep talking! )

 

[Cassidy]

Christ took the punishment for all sins, one either accepts this or they don't, that's what it boils down to.

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't believe in generational curses, but I do think there are some things that people may call a generational curse, even though it may not be.

For example, there may be a family history of, or tendency towards, some illnesses; I would say that is maybe a genetic thing, others might say (and have with regards to my hayfever) that it is a generational curse. Some familes may have several alcoholics/drug takers/abused wives in them. I would say that this is probably learned behaviour; a child sees their father relax after drinking, or grows up to believe that hitting someone is a good way to get rid of your anger, or maybe that this is all women are good for. Such experiences leave scars, and a person may still carry the emotional baggage around with them even after they become believers. This does not make it a generational curse.

If I could be given an illness or something as a result of, or punishment for, something my ancestor did, then how has Jesus died for me, and made me a new creation in him?

 

[gratefulgrace]

I don't believe in generational curses, but I do think there are some things that people may call a generational curse, even though it may not be.

For example, there may be a family history of, or tendency towards, some illnesses; I would say that is maybe a genetic thing, others might say (and have with regards to my hayfever) that it is a generational curse. Some familes may have several alcoholics/drug takers/abused wives in them. I would say that this is probably learned behaviour; a child sees their father relax after drinking, or grows up to believe that hitting someone is a good way to get rid of your anger, or maybe that this is all women are good for. Such experiences leave scars, and a person may still carry the emotional baggage around with them even after they become believers. This does not make it a generational curse.

If I could be given an illness or something as a result of, or punishment for, something my ancestor did, then how has Jesus died for me, and made me a new creation in him?

I think they believe these things are all curses due to generational sin. It is not we have our own sin issues to deal with that Christ has paid the penalty for. We do not stop sinning just because we are saved elsewise why would John tell us what he did in 1 John about confessing our sins. We need to do as E2 keeps saying about drawing near to God cleansing our hands and resisting the devil. It is all things that we do in cooperation wit the Holy spirit in our lives. He knows just when we are ready to deal with this stuff. And I agree we can have a lot of baggage but it is our own not our uncle freds. gg

 

[~RENEE~]

But those things are NOT a generational curse!!!

but I out of my studies on this subject I have come to know that yes it is what a generational curse is. Those things are open doors for Satan to use. And that is exactly what a generational curse is an open door.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Christ took the punishment for all sins, one either accepts this or they don't, that's what it boils down to.

Once again--we are not talking about our sins which are forgiven when we repent.

 

[~RENEE~]

For example, there may be a family history of, or tendency towards, some illnesses; I would say that is maybe a genetic thing, others might say (and have with regards to my hayfever) that it is a generational curse. Some familes may have several alcoholics/drug takers/abused wives in them. I would say that this is probably learned behaviour; a child sees their father relax after drinking, or grows up to believe that hitting someone is a good way to get rid of your anger, or maybe that this is all women are good for. Such experiences leave scars, and a person may still carry the emotional baggage around with them even after they become believers.

ding ding ding ding ding. This is what a generational curse is.

 

[Floatingaxe]

ding ding ding ding ding. This is what a generational curse is.

 

[KleinerApfel]

OK, seems we're arguing over the true definition of "generational curse."

So would someone please give me the biblical definition of it, along with at least one scripture that makes abundantly clear that your definition is the true one?

 

[bluemarkus]

generational curses are real i know it because i am affected by it since i came back to my mothers house. there are issues my family does not wn to address, things they dont want to talk about, things they dont want stand up to, all the while they PLAY CHURCH and pretend. these are demons hiding behind a religious facade. its very real and its a very great threat, once you get to dance to those demons pipe they can steal you much that god has taught/given you the years before.

 

[ANM29]

But those things are NOT a generational curse!!!

That is exactly the problem here - some of you are claiming a non-biblical definition of the term.

In the bible, a generational curse, as someone quoted from Numbers, means
punishment of sin meted out to an individual, not because he or she sinned, but because a parent, grandparent or so on did so.

If people believe they are saved and free in Christ and yet can be "legally" under a curse from God and receive punishment through horrible things in their lives, then they will live in fear, and fear will take them captive, then all kinds of nasty things go wrong because fear drives us hard and wild until we can't see what's up and what's down!

So don't tell people they're under a curse - it's placing them under bondage to fear!

By the way Floatingaxe, telling people who don't agree with you that they're "offended" or need to "face reality" is rude!

(I like you really, I just am perplexed at some of the beliefs here. Keep talking! )

 

[ANM29]

I do not believe in generational curses, but I do believe that there are certain 'sins' that can be prominent in one family, that may not be in the next. It is more like demonic influences and principalities that can dominate even certain areas even in certain towns, cities, or regions of the world.. I would not call it a curse though..Just sinful natures overall in humanity and demonic influences.. Thank God for Jesus..because we can be free...