Genealogy = Chronology?

[Bushido216]

vance, I used Barnabus to show that the early christians believed in a young earth.

Whether you believe that Barny was full of it or not is of no consequence to my argument.

The bottom line, the concept of a literal six day creation and an early earth was held by christians of that day...and still is held by christians of todays time.

So was Geocentrism, until that was disproven and finally debunked, but not until after alot of crying and wailing from Christians who had put too much of their faith into Geocentrism.

And Ark, how can you, a fallible human, decide which interpretation is true? EH?

 

[Ark Guy]

Wow, not only using the one day = 1,000 years argument, but using apocypha to back it up. I guess that means I can put him back on my ignore list in good conscience. I wonder when the thousand year reign (7th day) began exactly, since Genesis 1 clearly states that it DID start (God restED, not will rest at some time in the future), and when that "day" ended. Too bad we all missed it.[color]

Anyway, a whole heck of a lot of non-plain interpretation going on . . .

You're really not making much sense here Vance.
The belief is that creation took on a 7 day time frame...you do understand that?

The concept is that each day of creation will represent 1000 years of history....you still with me Vance or am I going to quick for you?

Now considering that the thousand year reign of Christ has not happened as of yet...it's in the future. You still with me?

 

[Bushido216]

That would make sense, except that it doesn't.

If Creation represents the last six thousand years, then Adam has yet to be created, get it now?

 

[Ark Guy]

So was Geocentrism, until that was disproven and finally debunked, but not until after alot of crying and wailing from Christians who had put too much of their faith into Geocentrism.

And Ark, how can you, a fallible human, decide which interpretation is true? EH?

Geocentrism??? Where's all of this crying and wailing I keep reading about?

As far as the interpretations go...just read the New Testament. You do believe in the New Testament?

 

[Vance]

Hold on, Ark Guy, do you believe that the Creation took place over six 24 hour days, or six 1,000 year "days"?

If the former, then the Barnabas quote doesn't help you, since Barnabas is clearly pointing out that a reference to "day" in one place may refer to different measures of time. It can refer (according to him) 1,000 year periods. Elsewhere, we see the creation week used to apply to seven year crop rotations. Nothing about Barnabas' statement has anything to do with the original creation week being a few thousand years ago.

 

[Ark Guy]

That would make sense, except that it doesn't.

If Creation represents the last six thousand years, then Adam has yet to be created, get it now?

NO! That is not what I am saying. It is what you are trying to make me say.

I am saying that the concept is for each day of creation there will be 1000 years of earth history. What was created on each day doesn't really matter. The amount of days is the issue at hand.

 

[Bushido216]

Where's all of it? Read any history textbook? People were burned at the stake for believing in heliocentrism. Copernicus withheld his findings because he was afraid for his life.

Anyway, show me relevant NT verses, I'm only familiar with it as a whole, and I don't have the time to read it now.

 

[Bushido216]

NO! That is not what I am saying. It is what you are trying to make me say.

I am saying that the concept is for each day of creation there will be 1000 years of earth history. What was created on each day doesn't really matter. The amount of days is the issue at hand.

That actually makes a bit of sense.

However, you're getting this from Barnaby?

 

[Ark Guy]

Hold on, Ark Guy, do you believe that the Creation took place over six 24 hour days, or six 1,000 year "days"?

If the former, then the Barnabas quote doesn't help you, since Barnabas is clearly pointing out that a reference to "day" in one place may refer to different measures of time. It can refer (according to him) 1,000 year periods. Elsewhere, we see the creation week used to apply to seven year crop rotations. Nothing about Barnabas' statement has anything to do with the original creation week being a few thousand years ago.

Creation took place of six 24 hour time periods with the seventh day as a day of rest for God. (This time frame is confirmed in the ten commandments)

Now as I said before...and you should listen this time Vance....barny is saying that for each day of creation...1000 years of history will be alotted.

it's really not that hard of a concept to grasp vance.

 

[Vance]

Oh, that is an odd concept. I have never heard that one before (probably because it comes from apocrypha). Regardless, you are acknowledging that the creation "days" can be used with reference to different time frames than the original "days". This blows out of the water any reference to the seven day work week as requiring a seven 24 hour day creation week. If you can use the creation week to refer to various time frames other than the original, then this can apply to any other reference.

 

[Bushido216]

But he's not.

He's trying to say that because a day to God could easily be 1,000 years, then we only have 7,000 years until endtimes.

As well, since we've already gone through 6,000 of those years, the reign of Jesus Christ should have already started.

It hasn't.

 

[Ark Guy]

That actually makes a bit of sense.

However, you're getting this from Barnaby?

The quote from the book of Barnabus, whether you accept the book or not doesn't matter.

The point was made that the early christians believed in a young earth and not evolutionISM.

 

[Vance]

Based on this theory, btw, combined with a literal reading of the genealogies you propose, we should be able to pin down the date of the rapture and tribulation and the 1,000 year reign pretty exactly, no?

So much for a thief in the night . . .

 

[Bushido216]

The quote from the book of Barnabus, whether you accept the book or not doesn't matter.

The point was made that the early christians believed in a young earth and not evolutionISM.

a.) they also believed in Geocentrism
b.) they did not have the scientific know-how to even begin with evolution theories, much less any of the ground work.

 

[Ark Guy]

Oh, that is an odd concept. I have never heard that one before (probably because it comes from apocrypha). Regardless, you are acknowledging that the creation "days" can be used with reference to different time frames than the original "days". This blows out of the water any reference to the seven day work week as requiring a seven 24 hour day creation week. If you can use the creation week to refer to various time frames other than the original, then this can apply to any other reference.

NO! Once again the evos are trying to put words into my mouth.

The bible clearly teaches that the creation time period was 6 literal days.

Barny was saying that for each literal day of creation, God would alot 1000 years.
The inferance that vance is injecting is not what I am saying.

 

[Ark Guy]

But he's not.

He's trying to say that because a day to God could easily be 1,000 years, then we only have 7,000 years until endtimes.

As well, since we've already gone through 6,000 of those years, the reign of Jesus Christ should have already started.

It hasn't.

How do you know we went used up the 6,000 years?

 

[Bushido216]

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE YEC ON THIS FORUM, AND IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, CLAIMS THAT THE EARTH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD!

 

[Ark Guy]

Based on this theory, btw, combined with a literal reading of the genealogies you propose, we should be able to pin down the date of the rapture and tribulation and the 1,000 year reign pretty exactly, no?

So much for a thief in the night . . .

You're now assuming we know the exact date of creation...which we don't.

 

[Bushido216]

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE YEC ON THIS FORUM, AND IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, CLAIMS THAT THE EARTH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD!

 

[Ark Guy]

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE YEC ON THIS FORUM, AND IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, CLAIMS THAT THE EARTH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD!

WOW...are you an idiot.
last year I claimed the creation was 6000 years ago. Today I claim the creation was 6000 years ago...and if Jesus tarries, next year i will claim the creation was 6000 years ago.

The 6000 years is just an approximation...you do understand that? If you do, then I apologize for referring to you as an idiot. If you don't, well then....