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StormyOne said:If it's true... or not, it is not polite to gloat... Some have found other forums to participate in, and that is great because they do exist, but IMO gloating because there was a mass exodus of members from a forum is not polite... but that's just me....
Olikamay said:I'm not sure what's going on--but I sure didn't see any gloating in Sassy's remarks.
An historical correction is needed. The Advent Movement received the Sabbath message from the Seventh-day Baptists who had been faithfully observing the Sabbath. This church was not raised to repair a Sabbath breach. It was raised to usher in the Second Coming. It is to our shame that we have switched our orders so that the Sabbath has been given the preeminence over the Second Coming.Olikamay said:The Advent Movement was especially chosen by God to "repair the breach" of Sabbath keeping and deliver the Finale warning message of Babylon to the world.
Olikamay said:We have learned from the SOP that there will come a time of "shaking" in our ranks. Thru trial and tribulation God will reveal those who love Him and those who love Him not.
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deu58 said:This shaking you speak of is affecting the entire body of Christ, Not just the SDA church, The Sabbath is not the uniting factor of the Body of Christ,
Jesus is the uniting factor in the Body of Christ,
yours in Christ
deu 58
statrei said:An historical correction is needed. The Advent Movement received the Sabbath message from the Seventh-day Baptists who had been faithfully observing the Sabbath. This church was not raised to repair a Sabbath breach. It was raised to usher in the Second Coming. It is to our shame that we have switched our orders so that the Sabbath has been given the preeminence over the Second Coming.
Olikamay said:What other church so you know of that teaches the heavenly sanctuary truth?
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-TI- Last Day Events
-CN- 12.
-CT- The Shaking
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The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the
doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the
points on which there will be a departing from the
faith.--Ev 224 (1905).
What other church have the "Testimonies"??
<SB Rejection of the
Testimonies Results in Apostasy <EB
One thing is certain: Those Seventh-day Adventists
who take their stand under Satan's banner will first give
up their faith in the warnings and reproofs contained in
the Testimonies of God's Spirit.--3SM 84 (1903).
<SB Defections Among Church Leaders <EB
Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance
will then go out in darkness.--PK 188 (c. 1914).
Deu--I have been a member in 3 seperate churches in my life--and NEVER did one of them EVER mention a "shaking" amongst them!!
statrei said:An historical correction is needed. The Advent Movement received the Sabbath message from the Seventh-day Baptists who had been faithfully observing the Sabbath. This church was not raised to repair a Sabbath breach. It was raised to usher in the Second Coming. It is to our shame that we have switched our orders so that the Sabbath has been given the preeminence over the Second Coming.
Show me the Sabbath in that passage.2tim said:The third angel's message, that of the Lord's return, echoes the Sabbath commandment.
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
The two are intertwined. i will assume waht you are proposing is ballance. If that is the case, I agree.
2Tim
Believing something does not make it true, even it ten million people believe it. That aside, how do you think that "testing truth" will be worked out?Olikamay said:I believe that the Sabbath IS part of the 3 angels message given to the Advent movement!!! Rev. 14 The Sabbath will be a "testing truth" for ALL just before His return.
statrei said:Show me the Sabbath in that passage.
statrei said:Show me the Sabbath in that passage.
statrei said:Show me the Sabbath in that passage.
The only similarity there is the Lord. Biblical interpretation should be able to withstand nonsectarian scrutiny. Yours does not. God is universal. Being a child of God does not mean that everything you do agrees with the mind of God. The same is true of any other instrument of God.2tim said:Actually what I said was that the Sabbath was "echoed" which typically expresses a marked similarity and relationship without being exactly the same.
Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Assuming that our convictions regarding the mark of the beast are the same, I need not point out how this serves to solidify this relationship.
Do I?
2Tim
Of course, I am quite aware of the process. But, this approach to biblical interpretation allows for any doctrine that one may wish to develop. If we say this is how we should interpret Scripture we have lost every right to criticise any other doctrine developed by any other group.HoneyDew said:Okay, I was responding without seeing Tim's response, but he reinforces the belief system we are talking about.
2tim said:Actually what I said was that the Sabbath was "echoed" which typically expresses a marked similarity and relationship without being exactly the same.
Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Assuming that our convictions regarding the mark of the beast are the same, I need not point out how this serves to solidify this relationship.
statrei said:Of course, I am quite aware of the process. But, this approach to biblical interpretation allows for any doctrine that one may wish to develop. If we say this is how we should interpret Scripture we have lost every right to criticise any other doctrine developed by any other group.
To go from Creator to Sabbath takes some doing. The only commonality you can legitimately get from those two texts is the Creator.2tim said:What sectarian scrutiny is needed to see that these two texts both point to God's place as Creator of the world we live in?
None.
And rest assured, you needn't spend much air convincing me that everything I do agrees with God. I am a work in progress.
2Tim
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