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GBLTI Marriage - What's the worst that could happen?

Bungle_Bear

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The problem is that both sides denigrate. You do and "we" do. That's why they don't want it here.

There's plenty of other forums you can hammer it out on.
No, I don't denigrate homosexuality. Some posters here do denigrate it (which is acceptable) and my counter argument would be that it should be accepted. But that's not allowed.

Remember also that there are Christians who believe homosexuality should be accepted but they are forbidden from saying so on a Christian forum. Doesn't that seem odd?

Hence my statement that there can be no honest debate within the rules. So it is foolish of the mod to suggest otherwise :doh:.
 
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No, I don't denigrate homosexuality. Some posters here do denigrate it (which is acceptable) and my counter argument would be that it should be accepted. But that's not allowed.

Remember also that there are Christians who believe homosexuality should be accepted but they are forbidden from saying so on a Christian forum. Doesn't that seem odd?

Hence my statement that there can be no honest debate within the rules. So it is foolish of the mod to suggest otherwise :doh:.

My point is that Christians denigrate people on the other side of the debate and people on the other side denigrate Christians, or Christans who don't agree that homosexuality is against God's will denigrate those who do and visa versa.

It doesn't seem that odd to me, because this website has pretty well-established standards that are neccessary if we don't want the theological basis of the establishment of the forums to fall into chaos. All in all, they are pretty open about a lot of things.

It's our privledge to be here, so i'm more inclined to be thankful for that than to worry about the rules so much. I've been told off a lot to be honest.
 
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The Word Of God Says It Is An Obomination In The Eyes Of God.

And what does the Word of God say about worshiping other gods?
Should that also be controlled by law?
 
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If Julia Gillard was to legalise marriage for GBLTI people (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual and Intersexed for those who don't know) in Australia, what's the worst thing that could happen to our country?

Nothing! Let them marry, give them what they want. It's none of our business to judge or condemn them.

well, no one is going to die because it and no innocent children going to get hurt, that is for sure!

but it is agaisnt the scripture, and it is not ok for christians to support gay marriage.
 
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well, no one is going to die because it and no innocent children going to get hurt, that is for sure!

but it is agaisnt the scripture, and it is not ok for christians to support gay marriage.

And so is worshiping other gods, yet I never see anyone trying to get laws passed about that, how come?
 
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And so is worshiping other gods, yet I never see anyone trying to get laws passed about that, how come?

good question. yes it is a bit of double standard, is it not?

but unfortunately, currently political climate ie born again christians are only minority within the society, we would lynched if we interfere with the supposely religious freedom.

but i see what you mean.

though it still does not changed the fact that gay marriage is sinful.

though i will say i personally think mainstream churches has this unhealthy obsession with the gay sin in particular, and gays has became what i would call the ideal whipping boy for many in the mainstream christianity.

i think it might have something to do with the fact homosexuality is ONE sin most of us will never have to struggle with.

hence many within the mainstream christians tend to be extra harsh on this particular sin.

i personally find such an obsession a bit sad, and goes against the principle "love the sinners, hate the sin" ( I am not talking about pretend it is not a sin, but to single it out and impose extra harsh measures on those who are in it, and do it without compassion or consideration).

if fact, one of my gay friends once told me there is a joke within the gay community, that sometimes we christians ( some of us anyway) seem to think about gay staff more than gay people do, maybe we ( some of us) are closeted gays ourselves, that is why we are trying to live vicariously through what gays are doing behind close doors.

i do not blame them for thinking this way, i myself often wondered about what is the exact cause for this unhealthy obessesion on the part of many of my fellow christians.:p
 
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I love that rule. You can denigrate and condemn as much as you like but you can't counter the argument because that would require promotion. Makes honest debate impossible lol

it depends on what you mean by denigrate

if you mean simply stating that gay lifestyle is a sin, then it is not denigrate, it is simply stating the truth.

however, if you mean what many other posters are doing on this forum

such as

1 compare gays to murderers and padophiles

2 saying gay ARE more likely to be padophiles

3 ALL gays lives a hedonistic lifestyle ie drinking and having sex with diff partner all the time ( how do they survive without working, eating etc etc is beyond me)

4 gay are sinners hence are not entitled to have sinner right ????? that extend to antidiscrimination law in areas such as employment etc or anti bullying legislations based on orientations.

5 my favourite, and i finally encounter for the very first time in one of the other threads i have created, and that is some countries actually have death penalty for gays.

then yes, i see what you are saying, i cant believe that anybody could get away with talking like that.

i think it is about time the forum put in place some sort of rules regarding unacceptable use of hate speech.
 
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if you mean simply stating that gay lifestyle is a sin, then it is not denigrate, it is simply stating the truth.
I'd like a clear definition of the "gay lifestyle" people keep talking about. Its almost as hard to find a specific example of as that "homosexual agenda" thing!
 
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I'd like a clear definition of the "gay lifestyle" people keep talking about. Its almost as hard to find a specific example of as that "homosexual agenda" thing!

it means two people,of the same gender, engages in any type of sexual activity, not restricted to full intercourse, through both actions as well as fatansizing in their mind.

and yes, even doing it once is considered a lifestyle.

hope that helps:p
 
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And so is worshiping other gods, yet I never see anyone trying to get laws passed about that, how come?
This pretty well explains my stance on it.

Personally, I think homosexual activity is a sin.
However, I see no reason why any one who doesn't subscribe to my beliefs should be bound by them. I wouldn't like it if the government started making laws that restrist me because of, say, Islamic beliefs about women, or Jewish beliefs about diet. So, in line with Christ's commandment to us, I'm happy to let other people form whatever relationships they like, as I would want them to do for me.

Here's a brain twister for you... since the Bible (arguably) calls homosexual activity a sin, but never mentions gay marriage... would a same sex marriage where the 2 spouses were both abstinent be a sin?
 
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The worst that would happen? - Gays would marry.

What do they gain? - The same thing heterosexuals gain when they get married.
cab you answer my earlier question then please that everyone has shied away from answering. What exactly is it that they gain?
 
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cab you answer my earlier question then please that everyone has shied away from answering. What exactly is it that they gain?

Your question has already been answered. People marry for many reasons, and people get many things out of marriage. I fail to see how homosexual couples would be drastically different from heterosexual couples. Listing them all would be a waste of time.
 
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cab you answer my earlier question then please that everyone has shied away from answering. What exactly is it that they gain?

What does anyone gain when they marry? A spouse; someone they publicly vow to love and cherish until death. A big hole in their wallet from the wedding/honeymoon. A sense of stability if they choose to have children.
 
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Your question has already been answered.
People marry for many reasons, and people get many things out of marriage. I fail to see how homosexual couples would be drastically different from heterosexual couples. Listing them all would be a waste of time.
no it has not been answered. i never asked why people get married. I asked what would be different if they got married. i personally can only think of one thing that would be different and according to arguments used by many that one thing is totally irrelevent.
 
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no it has not been answered. i never asked why people get married. I asked what would be different if they got married. i personally can only think of one thing that would be different and according to arguments used by many that one thing is totally irrelevent.
Rather than say what would be different here are a number of advantages to marriage:

1. Longer life. Married people tend to live longer.
2. Mental health. Married people have fewer mental health issues.
3. Better sex. No reason why that shouldn't apply to same sex couples, too.

And if ALL Christians were to give up their blinkered view they could see that God can have a place in the picture, too :thumbsup:.
 
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What does anyone gain when they marry? A spouse;
doesn't seem to bother alot of people who are happy enough to remain de facto couples.

someone they publicly vow to love and cherish until death.
Didn't cost me anything to publicly make a vow when I did jury duty! It isn't hard to publicly make a vow. just get some friends togeher and do it. It has worked for some people I know. Nice lunch at the beach, public declaration. no marriage ceremony in sight.

A big hole in their wallet from the wedding/honeymoon.
Only if people are silly enough to spend a large amount of money. It costs virtually nothing to get married. It is all the optional extras that people choose that costs. Even then there are ways of reducing those extra costs.

A sense of stability if they choose to have children.
Seen divorce rates at all? No the stability does not come from being married but rather from the commitment to the relationship and being willing to work at it to keep the relationship alive.



Rather than say what would be different here are a number of advantages to marriage:

1. Longer life. Married people tend to live longer.
2. Mental health. Married people have fewer mental health issues.
3. Better sex. No reason why that shouldn't apply to same sex couples, too.

And if ALL Christians were to give up their blinkered view they could see that God can have a place in the picture, too :thumbsup:.
Got some sources for those claims. There is something I want to check.
 
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