GBLTI Marriage - What's the worst that could happen?

[tgg]

If Julia Gillard was to legalise marriage for GBLTI people (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual and Intersexed for those who don't know) in Australia, what's the worst thing that could happen to our country?

Nothing! Let them marry, give them what they want. It's none of our business to judge or condemn them.

 

[encouraging loves animals]

I'm really not sure where i stand on this issue I don't think its right to legalism a normal marriage between same sex couples-eg I think marriage should be between Female and male as the bible states. But I also don't think it right to prevent them from allowing a form of marriage because of their sexuality. I think personally there should be another body of marriage is what I'm trying to say especially for this form, but don't think they should full in the normal marriage category.

 

[PASTOR'S WIFE]

The Word Of God Says It Is An Obomination In The Eyes Of God.

 

[joey_downunder]

The veerryy worst outcome? Bible Study - The Destruction Of Sodom
When Nations Die
Actual news article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8438210/Fall-of-Roman-Empire-caused-by-contagion-of-homosexuality.html

 

[Grannie Annie]

People will do what they like no matter what any one says, but I will personally never condone it, in public or private. I will stand up for what I believe is right...in my eyes and in the eyes of God. I was in another forum for several years, not a Christian one, but they had a section where you could discuss general things and the subject of gay marriage came up. I said nothing for a long time, everyone was for it....one day I stopped being a coward and stated my views. I was told to leave the forum, told they hoped my generation soon died out, told how people were shattered by my opinion etc. etc. etc....but I was finally pleased with myself that I had the courage to stand up for my honest beliefs. I have since left that forum....but I'm pleased I made my honest feelings hear.

 

[SuziTiri]

worst thing?

love

 

[DesertScroll]

worst thing?

love

A love which promotes that which is not from God (1 John 2:15,16) is actually hate towards God. So it is not actually love at all.

 

[SuziTiri]

A love which promotes that which is not from God (1 John 2:15,16) is actually hate towards God. So it is not actually love at all.

How are you today?

Nice to meet you...

Always interesting to read what others write...

 

[HakeemSupreme]

Justifying unequal rights to gay people because your religious book says so? Who says fundamentalist Muslims wouldn't fit in well down in Australia?

 

[Born to Watch]

Justifying unequal rights to gay people because your religious book says so? Who says fundamentalist Muslims wouldn't fit in well down in Australia?

Why do you have to operate at extremes. Why do you always encourage hate Hakeem.
Homosexuals have a place in society nobody here denies them that right. Christians are not taught to stone anyone like Muslims are, Christians have no role in condemning people.
Muslims still treat women as second class citizens, Christianity doesnt, it treats Gays as sinners, no different to adulterers.
The issue is Marriage.
Would a Muslim allow a Gay person to become an Imam...???
Its not part of the Christian faith, homosexuality is a sin and a person needs to repent before they can become a Christian. Marriage is a Christian covenant between Man and Woman.
You are welcome to ignore our religious book and us. Why carry on about it?
Whats your agenda.
It seems to be all in your head

 

[Blessedj01]

It's not right but it's also not a Christian's priority to try to change the world through legalism or to try to change morality by introducing laws. Ours is a subversive culture. We should show people grace, yes, have a stance on political issues but also recognize that this world is not our home, this world does not honor God but it is not our place to tell everyone else that they have to think as we think. We should continue to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and by and large, we just have to let the government make mistakes - as did Caesar in Rome.

The thing is, there is nothing wrong with not supporting politicians who are involved in legalising this, or other forms of political disagreement. We are free to vote as we wish and also to give our opinions on such issues. We must remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I find it highly hypocritical of so-called democrats, to grandstand against Christians who are opposed to gay-marriage on the basis that we find it unbiblical and offensive to God. That is our right. That's our right by democracy. As long as people voice their opposition in a sane, graceful way, there is no reason to bash Christians for not believing this is the right political course.

 

[Tenebrae]

Interestingly enough, when civil unions were introduced into New Zealand in the first year the rates of heterosexual marriage actually increased. The rates of marriage have remained relatively static ever since

The religious right campaigned against the government allowing civil unions on the grounds that it would destroy heterosexual marriage.

The rates of heterosexual marriage have been on the decline since the early 1990s long before the government allowed gay couples to have legal recognition of their relationship
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for...-civil-unions-and-divorces/info-releases.aspx

Whats the worst that could happen? As bad as a mind can imagine. The reality is that it most likely wont

 

[Blessedj01]

I don't think it will destroy heterosexual marriage. I think if anyone thinks it's about this or that, they're missing the point. It's really only about what God thinks is right.

Unfortunately people these days think they can enforce Christianity by legalism. We have a role to play, but we can't make that the focus of our ministry. We're should dispense grace.

 

[TheDag]

If Julia Gillard was to legalise marriage for GBLTI people (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual and Intersexed for those who don't know) in Australia, what's the worst thing that could happen to our country?

Nothing! Let them marry, give them what they want. It's none of our business to judge or condemn them.

Justifying unequal rights to gay people because your religious book says so? Who says fundamentalist Muslims wouldn't fit in well down in Australia?

i have a quetion for both of you. What do they gain from being allowed to marry?

i don't want the equal rights answer i want an actual answer rather than some vague concept.

imagine years ago when there was only maternity leave. Did they give men equal rights? no they never did. they never gave men the right to take maternity leave. Which means men never had the right to take leave ifthey gave birth. rather they removed maternity leave as a right for women and replaced it with parental leave which allows one of the parents to have time off. Thats right one of the parents NOT BOTH. i don't hear complaining about that. So equal rights means getting exactly the same.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

i have a quetion for both of you. What do they gain from being allowed to marry?

i don't want the equal rights answer i want an actual answer rather than some vague concept.

imagine years ago when there was only maternity leave. Did they give men equal rights? no they never did. they never gave men the right to take maternity leave. Which means men never had the right to take leave ifthey gave birth. rather they removed maternity leave as a right for women and replaced it with parental leave which allows one of the parents to have time off. Thats right one of the parents NOT BOTH. i don't hear complaining about that. So equal rights means getting exactly the same.

Sorry, not really following your argument. Are you saying that men should be given rights to parental leave only if they give birth? If so, how is that comparable to having equal recognition of a loving, committed union? The former is a physical impossibility, the other is a well-known existing condition. Having said which, if God were to make me pregnant (which he surely could) why shouldn't I have the same rights as a mother?

If I've misunderstood you then I apologise.

 

[TheDag]

Sorry, not really following your argument. Are you saying that men should be given rights to parental leave only if they give birth? If so, how is that comparable to having equal recognition of a loving, committed union? The former is a physical impossibility, the other is a well-known existing condition. Having said which, if God were to make me pregnant (which he surely could) why shouldn't I have the same rights as a mother?

If I've misunderstood you then I apologise.

part of what I was pointing out was that just giving equal rights is not always the best solution because in the scenario I described it would have meant men would be given maternity leave which means you have to give birth. The better option was to remove maternity leave and replace it with something else. For the most part it was a example of the specifics that I wanted in response to my question which was
What would the LGBTI community gain from being allowed to marry?
See i want to know what difference it will make compared to how things are now. What will they specifically get that they don't get now?
Simple question. i predict one person won't answer because they have a tendancy to start discussion threads and then not take any part in them. Feel free to answer the question if you like even though it wasn't directed at you.

 

[LadyOfMystery]

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[Hammster]

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This is being reopened. Please keep in mind that this discussion of marriage will be allowed to continue as long as promotion of homosexualityu does not occur.

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It will be tough to do this, but I'm confident you will succeed.


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[Bungle_Bear]

I love that rule. You can denigrate and condemn as much as you like but you can't counter the argument because that would require promotion. Makes honest debate impossible lol

 

[Blessedj01]

The problem is that both sides denigrate. You do and "we" do. That's why they don't want it here.

There's plenty of other forums you can hammer it out on.