Gays!!!

[Polycarp_fan]

Immutable sex?

I'm not sure how that'd work, PC_F. Sex is a process.

Bi's claim they can't help themselves to their sexual smörgåsbord lifestyle.

Their process well defined.

 

[sidhe]

I get a kick out of PC_F's notion that transgender folks are, by default, straight. Most transwomen I've known are lesbians or bisexual.

Genderqueer/bigender pansexuals are, by far, the most fun people on earth.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I get a kick out of PC_F's notion that transgender folks are, by default, straight.

A woman trapped in a man's body that desires a man? A man trapped in a woman's body that desires a woman? Sounds physiologically correct to me. The anatomy may have went wrong but not the truth of sexuality.

Most transwomen I've known are lesbians or bisexual.

Please consider them in the GLB camp then. Thanks for the heads up. But wouldn't that make them unnecessarily trans? A woman trapped in a man's body that desires a woman? (And vice versa.)What's up with THAT?

Sound like Bi's to me looking at the moral compass of our day.

Genderqueer/bigender pansexuals are, by far, the most fun people on earth.

Why are so many on psychotropics for depression and a plethora of other mental health reasons? C'mon now? I lived in Hollywood and worked with these people for years.

Football fans are the most fun people on earth. At least that's what my transgendered friend thinks.

 

[sidhe]

Because, transgender has nothing to do with sex. It's about gender-identity.

Put another way - gay men don't want to be women. They enjoy being men. Lesbians don't want to be men. They enjoy being women.

A transgender individual feels that they are the wrong gender. That says nothing about sex, only gender. Thus, a MTF transgender could be attracted to men, women, both, or neither. They're still female between the ears, male between the legs.

Or, put another way, you don't get to redefine words to mean what you want them to.

As for the last part of your post...

I've lived it for years. Any issues I've had came as a result of people telling me I was flawed and evil. End result? I'm pretty evil by my own admission, but my flaws have nothing to do with gender or sexuality.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Because, transgender has nothing to do with sex. It's about gender-identity.

Put another way - gay men don't want to be women. They enjoy being men. Lesbians don't want to be men. They enjoy being women.

A transgender individual feels that they are the wrong gender. That says nothing about sex, only gender. Thus, a MTF transgender could be attracted to men, women, both, or neither. They're still female between the ears, male between the legs.

Or, put another way, you don't get to redefine words to mean what you want them to.

But, people with JUST thoughts that they are another gender EVEN THOUGH there is evidence to the contrary get to redefine words to mean something they cannot? Why is that?

Now you see why Prop 8 had to implemented. GLBT seem to be screaming that ONLY they can define words.

Get ready for a loud future.

As for the last part of your post...

I've lived it for years. Any issues I've had came as a result of people telling me I was flawed and evil.

If you are a woman with a man's body, by real definition you woiuld be flawed. Is that not anatomically, biologically and physiologically correct? Isn't it "the flaw" that Swedish Doctors are trying to correct?

End result? I'm pretty evil by my own admission, but my flaws have nothing to do with gender or sexuality.

So YOU say. Why do YOU get to redefine words?

See why we are where we are?

 

[sidhe]

But, people with JUST thoughts that they are another gender EVEN THOUGH there is evidence to the contrary get to redefine words to mean something they cannot? Why is that?

Now you see why Prop 8 had to implemented. GLBT seem to be screaming that ONLY they can define words.

Get ready for a loud future.

If you are a woman with a man's body, by real definition you woiuld be flawed. Is that not anatomically, biologically and physiologically correct? Isn't it "the flaw" that Swedish Doctors are trying to correct?



So YOU say. Why do YOU get to redefine words?

Se why we are where we are?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

So you can't see?

 

[sidhe]

So you can't see?

I can see that you're rambling. Care to make a coherent case?

Where I see society headed is towards greater personal liberty. I think this is a good thing. I also see greater protections for minorities. This is also a good thing.

Did you know that ENDA doesn't protect transgender individuals from employment discrimination?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I can see that you're rambling. Care to make a coherent case?

Rambling? I'm not the one with the stupid photos as a rebuttal in a debate. I used sound logic, reason, anatomy, biology and physiology, with accompanying reference to the mental health profession.

Where I see society headed is towards greater personal liberty.

Another way of saying, or rather, redefining chaos. Our schools already show the symptoms of this.

I think this is a good thing. I also see greater protections for minorities.

What "minorities?" I didn't vote for Obama, but his era ushers in homogeny and kicks minorityism out the door.

This is also a good thing.

It's an era that has passed.

Did you know that ENDA doesn't protect transgender individuals from employment discrimination?

ENDA is a direct attack at Christians everywhere they live, worship and work. It establishes GLBT and secular rule over every Christian.

 

[sidhe]

Rambling? I'm not the one with the stupid photos as a rebuttal in a debate. I used sound logic, reason, anatomy, biology and physiology, with accompanying reference to the mental health profession.

But you don't. You make statements without reference to peer-reviewed articles supporting your position. You argue from personal opinion styled to sound intelligent. I, at least, am honestly being trollish.

Seriously, I see no content in anything that you say. If I respond with comedic memetics, it's because it makes as much sense as your regurgitated botlike statements.

Another way of saying, or rather, redefining chaos. Our schools already show the symptoms of this.

So, you disagree with the idea of liberty?

What "minorities?" I didn't vote for Obama, but his era ushers in homogeny and kicks minorityism out the door.

Errr...que? You used two words in that sentence that don't exist.

It's an era that has passed.

Nah. It's an era that's yet to come.

ENDA is a direct attack at Christians everywhere they live, worship and work.

Errr...que? Christians already have protection from employment discrimination. You said you feel sympathy for transgender individuals. Shouldn't they have employment protection?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

But you don't. You make statements without reference to peer-reviewed articles supporting your position. You argue from personal opinion styled to sound intelligent. I, at least, am honestly being trollish.

That's you.

Seriously, I see no content in anything that you say. If I respond with comedic memetics, it's because it makes as much sense as your regurgitated botlike statements.

Your agenda is being pushed no matter how you deliver it.

So, you disagree with the idea of liberty?

Of course I do, IF . . . IF . . . it means unfettered hedonism and lascivious licentiousness is the idea for liberty. Even the secular world has ideas like that. The Center for Disease Control is just one.

Errr...que? Christians already have protection from employment discrimination.

Not anymore. You open your mouth that you are a Christian in the social services and the education system and you are attacked without cease. You are silent or you are gone.

You said you feel sympathy for transgender individuals.

Obviously according to your definitions, I only have sympathy for some. And that would be true.

Shouldn't they have employment protection?

They already do. My supervisor is a woman. I don't care if she really isn't. Or, if it is only in her mind. From my vantage point, she's a woman and my boss. That's all I need to know. Equality is already here. Has been for a long time. She (?) even makes more money than I do.

 

[selfinflikted]

Just as an aside, I have grown to absolutely detest the use of the phrase "lascivious licentiousness". If PC_F has said it once, he musta said it a thousand times.

 

[sidhe]

That's you.

I only hold up a mirror.

Your agenda is being pushed no matter how you deliver it.

So, I'm supporting equal rights and opposing a tyranny of the majority with everything I say? Awesome.

Of course I do, IF . . . IF . . . it means unfettered hedonism and lascivious licentiousness is the idea for liberty. Even the secular world has ideas like that. The Center for Disease Control is just one.

Seriously, liberty means total liberty with total responsibility. You seem to want to unshoulder the responsibility part onto a nanny state that will force people to be moral. I only want the gov't to insure an even field.

Not anymore. You open your mouth that you are a Christian in the social services and the education system and you are attacked without cease. You are silent or you are gone.

Post proof or retract, fs. I work in the education system, technically. My manager talks about her church activities all the time. I don't see her being attacked without ceasing.

Obviously according to your definitions, I only have sympathy for some. And that would be true.

So, according to the real definitions - that is, the ones used by the transgender community and generally accepted by psychology - you only have sympathy for some.

They already do. My supervisor is a woman. I don't care if she really isn't. Or, if it is only in her mind. From my vantage point, she's a woman and my boss. That's all I need to know. Equality is already here. Has been for a long time. She (?) even makes more money than I do.

However, if s/he suddenly revealed that s/he was transgender and wanted to transition, that's currently valid grounds for loss of employment. Do you believe that to be justified?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Just as an aside, I have grown to absolutely detest the use of the phrase "lascivious licentiousness". If PC_F has said it once, he musta said it a thousand times.

There are thoudsand of people pushing it as a civil right. And thousands of us that oppose them.

This is tough for you?

 

[selfinflikted]

There are thoudsand of people pushing it as a civil right. And thousands of us that oppose them.

This is tough for you?

No. I don't see anyone pushing that as a civil right. You do, but it's only because you have a twisted, warped, and distorted world-view.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I only hold up a mirror.

Umm, how impressive!

So, I'm supporting equal rights and opposing a tyranny of the majority with everything I say? Awesome.

GLBT activism is not about tolerance OR diversity. It is about totalitarian rule. Prop 8 proves that once and for all.

Seriously, liberty means total liberty with total responsibility.

Then why do GLBT's demand other people pay for the consequences of their lascivious licentiousness?

You seem to want to unshoulder the responsibility part onto a nanny state that will force people to be moral.

as opposed to a nanny state that wants unfettered sexuality everywhere and all times? I am your opposition now and forever more.

I only want the gov't to insure an even field.

That's not true and Prop 8 proves it.

Post proof or retract, fs.

I am me and I have by harrassed for wearing a cross, for bringing a Bible to work and for wearing Christian T-shirts. I have been accused of proselytizing on the job and that is not even remotely true. It was charges brought against me by some GLBT's and a Buddhist. ALL of who pass out their belief systems to everyone.

I work in the education system, technically.

So do I. NO crosses, no Bibles out, but Pink Traingles and Rainbow stickers and posters all over the place in every office and on walls throught the buildings.

My manager talks about her church activities all the time. I don't see her being attacked without ceasing.

She talk about her "anti-gay" activities?

BOOM!!!!!

So, according to the real definitions - that is, the ones used by the transgender community and generally accepted by psychology - you only have sympathy for some.

yes. I've written that many places on this website.

However, if s/he suddenly revealed that s/he was transgender and wanted to transition, that's currently valid grounds for loss of employment. Do you believe that to be justified?

Factoid. Pure factoid. That is why GLBT's are losing ground.

Where is that grounds for termination anywhere in the United States?

These myths being told so long they have become urban legends.

Factoids.

 

[sidhe]

GLBT activism is not about tolerance OR diversity. It is about totalitarian rule. Prop 8 proves that once and for all.

So, a proposition that banned gay marriage proves that LGBT activism is about totalitarian rule? Fail.

Then why do GLBT's demand other people pay for the consequences of their lascivious licentiousness?

They don't. Fail.

as opposed to a nanny state that wants unfettered sexuality everywhere and all times? I am your opposition now and forever more.

Que? Nanny state supporting freedom? Fail.

That's not true and Prop 8 proves it.

Fail on the level of YouFail.Org.

I am me and I have by harrassed for wearing a cross, for bringing a Bible to work and for wearing Christian T-shirts. I have been accused of proselytizing on the job and that is not even remotely true. It was charges brought against me by some GLBT's and a Buddhist. ALL of who pass out their belief systems to everyone.

You are you?

Also, anecdotal evidence. Furthermore, Buddhists don't proselytize. I should know, I was raised Buddhist. Fail.

So do I. NO crosses, no Bibles out, but Pink Traingles and Rainbow stickers and posters all over the place in every office and on walls throught the buildings.

Get some pictures/proof, otherwise, fail.

She talk about her "anti-gay" activities?

BOOM!!!!!

Okay, so "anti-gay" = Christian. Alright. She actually disciplined a staff member for demeaning homosexuals while at the desk. So, I suppose she's not Christian enough for you.

Factoid. Pure factoid. That is why GLBT's are losing ground.

Where is that grounds for termination anywhere in the United States?

These myths being told so long they have become urban legends.

Factoids.

Where is Christianity grounds for dismissal anywhere?

Answer: It isn't, and being fired for being the wrong religion would be a discriminatory action that could get a company sued. Being fired for being trans, however, isn't, and in an at-will employment state it would leave the former employee with no recourse were it used as a reason.

Again, you've provided no proof of anything. So I responded with mockery and memetics. Please begin to provide proof, at which point I will pwn you with InfoSci.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

No. I don't see anyone pushing that as a civil right.

In all of those crowds of GLBT's screaming and ranting for same-gender marriage rights only a minute fraction are actually believing in marriage of any kind.

Even in Massachusetts gay marriage was forced onto the populace and there was not tens of thousands of gay couples running to the hitching post.

This is all about an agenda to force GLBT culture onto and into society at large.

You do, but it's only because you have a twisted, warped, and distorted world-view.

I posted a thread with the reality of a warped and twisted world-view and was severely reprimanded for it. It was not a post about an Evangelical Church by the way.

I study reality. History is replete with the outcome of this kind of morality gripping a populace. It is lascivious licentiousness without any shred of doubt. If it were not for Christians standing in (and leading) the opposition of licentiousness, things would be even worse in a society where one in four teen girls have an STD and homosexuality is a fad practiced by more than just those that demand that they are born gay. And now, we are at a point where there is a promiscuity cancer vaccine.

And unsafe sexual practices are once again raging. In your community as well.

You can't stop history from being ignored. But you can be a person not wanting to support that and in the best of involvement, being a persson trying to stop it from happening again.

 

[selfinflikted]

In all of those crowds of GLBT's screaming and ranting for same-gender marriage rights only a minute fraction are actually believing in marriage of any kind.

You got the numbers on that? No? I thought not. Perhaps it would be more logical to believe that those who are pushing for equal marriage rights actually want to be married? Huh? No, wait.. that's completely rational and too far out of your field of expertise. Sorry I even mentioned it.

Even in Massachusetts gay marriage was forced onto the populace and there was not tens of thousands of gay couples running to the hitching post.

I would assume that those who wanted to get married are the ones who actually got married? Again, that may be a bit too rational for you. Again, apologies. Besides, what maladies have come to Massachusetts becuase of legalized marriage?

This is all about an agenda to force GLBT culture onto and into society at large.

Hm. For a long, long time homosexuals were killed for being gay, ostracised for being gay, spat on for being gay, punched in the face for being gay, fired for being gay, etc etc. Now we're finally standing up and demanding equal rights! Sorry if that bothers you. Really, I hate it for you, because you will be on the losing end of the stick.

I study reality.

mmhmm.

History is replete with the outcome of this kind of morality gripping a populace.

Examples?

It is lascivious licentiousness without any shred of doubt.

There's that phrase again. TALK about bobble-headed rote. roflmao.

If it were not for Christians standing in (and leading) the opposition of licentiousness, things would be even worse in a society where one in four teen girls have an STD and homosexuality is a fad practiced by more than just those that demand that they are born gay.

Yes, because STD's are the result of lack of christianity. /sigh

And now, we are at a point where there is a promiscuity cancer vaccine.

HPV is not a promiscuity cancer.

And unsafe sexual practices are once again raging. In your community as well.

"Once again". There have been unsafe sex practices happening since the dawn of human existence. In fact, I dare say that sex has become MUCH safer with modern technology.

You can't stop history from being ignored. But you can be a person not wanting to support that and in the best of involvement, being a persson trying to stop it from happening again.

Translation: Gays are icky, and I don't like them. Therefore, I will fight tooth and nail against giving homosexuals equal rights.

That sound about right?

How are you going to stop it, poly? Homosexuals exist - they always have and always will. And now, that it's becoming easier and easier for those still locked inside the closet to come out, there will be more of us than ever. I hope that makes your skin crawl.

 

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