Gay Christian?

[Gusoceros]

It isn't a depraved lifestyle...I and 28 denominations disagree with you. You don't even know the lifestyle, you are not gay, so you have no clue of which you speak. You keep citing BIASED translations, and you don't back your claims with any sources or Hebrew and Greek language choice for interpretations. Keep posting it away, it's a joke at best.

Um- go ahead and cite those 28 again for me please.

G

 

[davedjy]

Um- go ahead and cite those 28 again for me please.

G

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chur2.htm

 

[david_x]

And another command telling us not to judge each other.

Hmm, another Bible contradiction?

Ahh yes the fine line between judgement and accontability. I'm sorry but if you are caught red handed the scarlet letter is burned into your chest. We as fellow Christians care for you and wish to make sure you lead a life. what one part of the body does can not contridict the other parts. A house devided against itself will not stand.

Do you find it hypocritical, being a Christian and not believing the Bible.

 

[Gusoceros]

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chur2.htm

I went there- didnt see them- can you give me a specific link please?

The churches listed were not necessarily pro homosexuality.

G

 

[Yody]

I wasn't comparing gifts from God with killing people, I was comparing the logic underlying the two ideas. Read whats written, you'll get further in life.

But homosexuality compared to paedophilia, cannot be defended, and is blatant propaganda and strawmaning of the worst kind

Well thank you for the insult it really served to get your point across

 

[Yody]

do I see another post here? strange, it looks like ghost writing... hmm........

You know you could just go into edit options and change it so you dont see members posts modifacations if it bothers you that much

But if youd rather act childish then I guess thats an option

 

[davedjy]

I went there- didnt see them- can you give me a specific link please?

The churches listed were not necessarily pro homosexuality.

G

Do some research, why don't you check on google.com -- or would you rather live in ignorance. You either know the truth or you don't, either way it isn't a debate point for this thread. A few are the Gay Pentecostal, the Presbyterian Church is split, Metropolitan Community Church, UCC churches, there are a few Catholic faiths, a Baptist one, one Quaker Christian denomination etc..

 

[davedjy]

You know you could just go into edit options and change it so you dont see members posts modifacations if it bothers you that much

But if youd rather act childish then I guess thats an option

Why should I have to change my options to view your posts? I don't get why you think that is acceptable. That means LOTS Of people have to change their options to view your pink font! how silly is that?

 

[Yody]

Why should I have to change my options to view your posts? I don't get why you think that is acceptable. That means LOTS Of people have to change their options to view your pink font! how silly is that?

So far only you 2 have complained so I dont know what your talking about

Noone else has made such a big deal of it

I told you why I use the font I do(I even apologized for any inconviniance) but if you seriously cant get over the font then too bad

 

[intricatic]

I don't have any problem with the ridiculously difficult to see pink font. Hi-light it with your cursor - makes it easier to read. Or better yet, print out the page and use a hi-ighter marker.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Umm- yeah- where is it? I dont see anything that suggests salvation is by faith alone, and not faith alone... Can you point out to me the specific passages you think make these points?

if you read the various verses, some say faith is the only path to salvation, some say acts are.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well thank you for the insult it really served to get your point across

I'm sorry if you feel insulted. I'm not sure by what.

I've certainly not sid anything to you that is remotely as insulting as suggesting that homosexuality and paedophilia are related conditions

 

[david_x]

So far only you 2 have complained so I dont know what your talking about

Noone else has made such a big deal of it

I told you why I use the font I do(I even apologized for any inconviniance) but if you seriously cant get over the font then too bad

I am so going to sign that petition. It is weird and even hard to read when you highlight it.

 

[Gusoceros]

if you read the various verses, some say faith is the only path to salvation, some say acts are.

I read them- and did not see that. Please identify which ones specifically say what you claim.

G

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Faith alone:-
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:18, 36 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Acts 16:30-31 Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth.... As it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:20 By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.
Romans 3:28 A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?
Romans 4:13 For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:9 If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:11-12 The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

NOT by faith alone:-
Psalm 62:12 For you render to each one according to his works.
Proverbs 10:16 The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.
Jeremiah 17:10 I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Ezekiel 18:27 When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.
Matthew 5:20 Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Matthew 19:17 If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 25:41-46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Luke 10:26-28 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Romans 2:6, 13 Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Philippians 2:12 "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:21-25 Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1 Peter 1:17 The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.
Revelation 2:23 I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.

 

[Gusoceros]

Faith alone:-
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 3:18, 36 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Acts 16:30-31 Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth.... As it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:20 By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.
Romans 3:28 A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?
Romans 4:13 For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:9 If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:11-12 The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

These do not say that faith alone is required. Saying that those that believe in Christ will be saved, is not saying that the process of believing is faith alone. That would be an either/ or logical fallacy.

G

 

[Gusoceros]

NOT by faith alone:-
Psalm 62:12 For you render to each one according to his works.
Proverbs 10:16 The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.
Jeremiah 17:10 I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Ezekiel 18:27 When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.
Matthew 5:20 Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Matthew 19:17 If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 25:41-46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Luke 10:26-28 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Romans 2:6, 13 Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Philippians 2:12 "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:21-25 Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1 Peter 1:17 The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.
Revelation 2:23 I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life.

There is not a quote above that says as you have claimed- Not by Faith Alone. I also note- that the same situation of the either/or logical fallacy applies in this one as well. The Bible stands together- in context.

G

 

[davedjy]

Isn't all this off topic? LOL

 

[intricatic]

Faith produces acts - the two things are generally understood. Unfruitful faith is not faith.

Take Abraham and Isaac - was Abraham being faithful to God by offering Isaac, or was he acting according to what God commanded him to do? Can't split the categories like that - faith produces action.