Gay Christian?

[UberLutheran]

God COMMANDED Peter to hit the seafood buffet 3 times.

(Acts 11)



If it's good enough for Peter then it's good enough for me.

Besides, it's just common sense.

Well, if you're going to quote me -- at least try to quote me on something I actually DID say, OK?

 

[Myriah]

Since pants originally started out as women's clothing, the irony isn't there.

And where is wearing gold forbidden? And women are told not to cut their hair? That's a new one on me.

1 Corinthians 11

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
The ending in this passage is quite interesting?

 

[MercyBurst]

Well, if you're going to quote me -- at least try to quote me on something I actually DID say, OK?

It has nothing to do with Holy Spirit conviction, the original subject of the OP.

Dietary laws and those out of style clothes from the OT aren't really relevant to sexual morality today.

However, there aren't any new kinds of sex since the OT was given.

Clothing and food have changed a lot since then. Anybody wear a toga? How about some old fashioned Hebrew chocolats with a moolattee to chase it down? Is it kosher to wear a rayon jacket with a 50% cotton shirt blend? -- I think you get the gist.

 

[Time4AChange]

The fact that there's a thread about this and it's being taken seriously should let us know how lost and confused this world is...The devil is such a good deceiver that he's managed to deceive people into really believing that you can be a Christian and be gay...Lord have mercy on us.

We really need to stand up for righteousness or alot of us are going to be in for a rude awakening...we're all sinners, but the whole message behind being a Christian is to strive to be more like Christ...and Christ never condoned homosexuality so how can u be a CHRISTian and be a homosexual...it's not possible

If i've offended anyone, build a bridge and get over it....i'd rather offend you than offend God, and im tired of so many Christians compromising their faith

It's clear only Jesus can save us, cuz it's gotten to the point where everyone thinks you're being hateful or "judgmental" when u try to stand up for righteousness...for those who don't get it, it's kinda hard not to say something when you love God and you see things like "gay christians"...That's why Christians say what they say, not to be hateful...cuz the truth is i'd love for every1 of us to make it to heaven, but Jesus said not to love anyone (including myself) or anything more than Him...so as much as i'd love to see yall in heaven, i love God more...so i'd rather billions of ppl be mad at me, than to have God mad at me.

Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are they that so hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled

Perfect example, Donnie McClurkin...he used to be gay, but he pressed in, and hungered for righteousness..and God delivered him...and God can do that for any homosexual....if you're gay and reading this, and you've been asking God to show you the right way, keep seeking Him, with everything u have..and be encouraged because the Word says you SHALL be filled if you hunger and thirst for righteousness...i know homosexuality is one of the devil's most powerful deceptions, so it's probably not easy to overcome, or to even think u have a problem...but with God's help u can do it if u really want....If u love God more than u love yourself, you'll put your homosexual urges aside, and press in for a while...and let God do what he has to do...but if u love the flesh more than u love Him, u'll probably just keep doing it, and say "I was born this way, i cant help it" <---if you're saying that, it means u dont love God as much as u think you do....cuz you're not willing to kill the flesh and allow the spirit to change u...please give it a try, im beggin you

Btw, this isnt for any1 who's interested in arguing...this is for the 1 or 2 ppl that might read this, that are actually struggling with homosexuality, and really want an answer from God.....a lot of times Christians just say it's wrong and quote scriptures, which is good, but i encourage u to do more than just read the bible...hunger and thirst for God, and He'll do it for u...he delivered me from so much, and he's still delivering me and i know he can do it for u guys

I really wasnt tryin to type this much....i was only planning on typing one sentence or so, but something just took over. Lord if i said anything i shouldn't have, please forgive me...but i felt that u wanted me to say everything i said, so i said it...not to get any personal glory Lord, or praise from other Christians who see things the same way...but i did it for u Jesus

 

[UberLutheran]

It has nothing to do with Holy Spirit conviction, the original subject of the OP.

Dietary laws and those out of style clothes from the OT aren't really relevant to sexual morality today.

However, there aren't any new kinds of sex since the OT was given.

Clothing and food have changed a lot since then. Anybody wear a toga? How about some old fashioned Hebrew chocolats with a moolattee to chase it down? Is it kosher to wear a rayon jacket with a 50% cotton shirt blend? -- I think you get the gist.

Excuse me: I think it's YOU who doesn't have the gist.

It was savedandhappy who made the comment:

Originally Posted by savedandhappy1

yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.

But I understand that if the purpose of an argument is to win at all cost, it often doesn't matter who said what.

 

[Fuchsia]

The fact that there's a thread about this and it's being taken seriously should let us know how lost and confused this world is...The devil is such a good deceiver that he's managed to deceive people into really believing that you can be a Christian and be gay...Lord have mercy on us.

We really need to stand up for righteousness or alot of us are going to be in for a rude awakening...we're all sinners, but the whole message behind being a Christian is to strive to be more like Christ...and Christ never condoned homosexuality so how can u be a CHRISTian and be a homosexual...it's not possible

If i've offended anyone, build a bridge and get over it....i'd rather offend you than offend God, and im tired of so many Christians compromising their faith

It's clear only Jesus can save us, cuz it's gotten to the point where everyone thinks you're being hateful or "judgmental" when u try to stand up for righteousness...for those who don't get it, it's kinda hard not to say something when you love God and you see things like "gay christians"...That's why Christians say what they say, not to be hateful...cuz the truth is i'd love for every1 of us to make it to heaven, but Jesus said not to love anyone (including myself) or anything more than Him...so as much as i'd love to see yall in heaven, i love God more...so i'd rather billions of ppl be mad at me, than to have God mad at me.

Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are they that so hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled

Good post. I don't see how it's possible to be gay and to also be a Christian. Indulging in sin without repenting is totally against the word of God.

 

[UberLutheran]

Good post. I don't see how it's possible to be gay and to also be a Christian. Indulging in sin without repenting is totally against the word of God.

Maybe it's time to see what can be done about getting gays, lesbians and their supporters out of Christian Forums, once and for all?

 

[Macrina]

I think the reason this sin gets singled out is because it presents a challenge most other sins don't: The debate over whether or not it's even a sin.

Generally speaking, if you meet someone who admits to committing adultery or stealing or a number of other sins, they pretty much know where you stand on that issue. Most people, not so much in favor of those things.

But in this particular case it's different, because people are divided on whether or not it's a sin. It's a real challenge to make the point that homosexual practice is wrong without singling homosexuals out for particular condemnation.

I struggle with this, especially in my interactions with non-religious people. They don't necessarily intuit that I believe homosexuality is sin, so I'm faced with the choice of either singling out that sin to make that point clear, or to be false to my convictions by seeming to condone it. It's a really tough position to be in, and I for one struggle with how to reach out with compassion yet still declare the truth.

I'm kind of rambling here (major headache right now, probably shouldn't be looking at a computer screen), but I wanted to get that on the table -- the fact that even though it's not a worse sin than others, it's different in the way it's seen by the world. A big part of the church's struggle is to be clear on this without singling out a particular sin for condemnation.

 

[davedjy]

Conservative Christianity always separates the SIN from the orientation. There is no mention in Scripture of a sexual orientation, so that is their only agenda!

 

[Macrina]

I'd also like to say that I'm deeply uncomfortable with the generalization that "gays can't be Christians." I for one am not confident enough to make the determination that someone else can't be a Christian. I know people who have sinned in other ways, and I don't question their salvation -- so I'm not willing to do it in this case, either. Don't misunderstand me -- I believe that homosexual practice is a sin -- but not one that automatically makes you unsaved. That's going rather too far, IMO.

 

[davedjy]

The fact that there's a thread about this and it's being taken seriously should let us know how lost and confused this world is...The devil is such a good deceiver that he's managed to deceive people into really believing that you can be a Christian and be gay...Lord have mercy on us.

We really need to stand up for righteousness or alot of us are going to be in for a rude awakening...we're all sinners, but the whole message behind being a Christian is to strive to be more like Christ...and Christ never condoned homosexuality so how can u be a CHRISTian and be a homosexual...it's not possible

If i've offended anyone, build a bridge and get over it....i'd rather offend you than offend God, and im tired of so many Christians compromising their faith

It's clear only Jesus can save us, cuz it's gotten to the point where everyone thinks you're being hateful or "judgmental" when u try to stand up for righteousness...for those who don't get it, it's kinda hard not to say something when you love God and you see things like "gay christians"...That's why Christians say what they say, not to be hateful...cuz the truth is i'd love for every1 of us to make it to heaven, but Jesus said not to love anyone (including myself) or anything more than Him...so as much as i'd love to see yall in heaven, i love God more...so i'd rather billions of ppl be mad at me, than to have God mad at me.

Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are they that so hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled

Perfect example, Donnie McClurkin...he used to be gay, but he pressed in, and hungered for righteousness..and God delivered him...and God can do that for any homosexual....if you're gay and reading this, and you've been asking God to show you the right way, keep seeking Him, with everything u have..and be encouraged because the Word says you SHALL be filled if you hunger and thirst for righteousness...i know homosexuality is one of the devil's most powerful deceptions, so it's probably not easy to overcome, or to even think u have a problem...but with God's help u can do it if u really want....If u love God more than u love yourself, you'll put your homosexual urges aside, and press in for a while...and let God do what he has to do...but if u love the flesh more than u love Him, u'll probably just keep doing it, and say "I was born this way, i cant help it" <---if you're saying that, it means u dont love God as much as u think you do....cuz you're not willing to kill the flesh and allow the spirit to change u...please give it a try, im beggin you

Btw, this isnt for any1 who's interested in arguing...this is for the 1 or 2 ppl that might read this, that are actually struggling with homosexuality, and really want an answer from God.....a lot of times Christians just say it's wrong and quote scriptures, which is good, but i encourage u to do more than just read the bible...hunger and thirst for God, and He'll do it for u...he delivered me from so much, and he's still delivering me and i know he can do it for u guys

I really wasnt tryin to type this much....i was only planning on typing one sentence or so, but something just took over. Lord if i said anything i shouldn't have, please forgive me...but i felt that u wanted me to say everything i said, so i said it...not to get any personal glory Lord, or praise from other Christians who see things the same way...but i did it for u Jesus

Offend? what makes you ANY more qualified to see heaven than the rest of us? I would love to know that.

Besides the fact, that TRUE REPENTANCE is TURNING from the sin, and I see lots of evidence of Christians NOT fully turning from different sins.

I guess we will all go to hell under your theory. Brilliant work!

 

[david_x]

Offend? what makes you ANY more qualified to see heaven than the rest of us? I would love to know that.

Besides the fact, that TRUE REPENTANCE is TURNING from the sin, and I see lots of evidence of Christians NOT fully turning from different sins.

I guess we will all go to hell under your theory. Brilliant work!

The spirit guides continually. You don't fix yourself to become a christian, you become a christian and then God fixes you eventually. (not that there isn't a concious effort on your part)

 

[scraparcs]

But sometimes God doesn't fix someone. He still hasn't answered my prayers that I could understand how gay sex is unequivocally sinful, and I've been trying to get it for a good ten years or so now.

Maybe I'm just not really saved right or something, but you'd think that with ten years to fix my brain up God would make it just a little easier! Sheesh!

(The good news? For those who are convinced that homosexual behavior is unequivocally sinful, I've never done it. Then again, that's because I don't want to.)

 

[MercyBurst]

Excuse me: I think it's YOU who doesn't have the gist.

It was savedandhappy who made the comment:

Originally Posted by savedandhappy1


But I understand that if the purpose of an argument is to win at all cost, it often doesn't matter who said what.

Well, here's the post in question:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=32460225&postcount=12

I guess the purpose is to confuse everyone at all costs. You win.

Who said what? I dunno.

 

[davedjy]

But sometimes God doesn't fix someone. He still hasn't answered my prayers that I could understand how gay sex is unequivocally sinful, and I've been trying to get it for a good ten years or so now.

Maybe I'm just not really saved right or something, but you'd think that with ten years to fix my brain up God would make it just a little easier! Sheesh!

(The good news? For those who are convinced that homosexual behavior is unequivocally sinful, I've never done it. Then again, that's because I don't want to.)

That is a big majority of the posters here.

They see it as "unnatural" because it does seem unnatural for them. Straight sex for a homosexual is VERY unnatural to the person.

You won't find a homosexual relationship condemned in Scriptures, you will not find one shred of truth about an orientation, or attraction (as opposed to lust).

 

[MercyBurst]

Offend? what makes you ANY more qualified to see heaven than the rest of us? I would love to know that.

Besides the fact, that TRUE REPENTANCE is TURNING from the sin, and I see lots of evidence of Christians NOT fully turning from different sins.

How do you know for sure they are Christians? Gotta copy of the Lamb's Book of Life?

I guess we will all go to hell under your theory. Brilliant work!

Well actually as the poll stands, half of us believe the other half isn't saved.

 

[intricatic]

I would answer that none of the options are suitable for the appropriate answer.

I do not think it's impossible for a person who claims to the term 'homosexual' to be saved, and I have no doubt that God sees them as just as spiritually sinful as any other person. I think God works in people's lives and draws them to Him in stages, despite any rebellion we may incur against that process, either knowingly or unknowingly. (If asked to enumerate this point, I believe that if it becomes a conscious rebellion it very well may become what relaces God in fellowship)

So while I fully believe homoeroticism is a sin, I do not discount the value and power of Grace to redeem a believer. I have full hope in the assurance of that Grace to work in those people's lives, and I pray regularly for both myself, and the rest of my Christian brothers and sisters, that they may be sanctified in Christ to put off all overflow of wickedness and conformed to the image of God's Son.

15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
(1 Timothy 1)

 

[savedandhappy1]

Excuse me: I think it's YOU who doesn't have the gist.

It was savedandhappy who made the comment:​

Originally Posted by savedandhappy1 Originally Posted by savedandhappy1 ​

Quote:​

yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants. ​

But I understand that if the purpose of an argument is to win at all cost, it often doesn't matter who said what.​

No I didn't make that post, so it may be you who doesn't understand. Anyhow that post isn't mine.

The above post was from EnemyPartyII, it was the around the 4th or 5th post on the first page.
​

 

[savedandhappy1]

Maybe it's time to see what can be done about getting gays, lesbians and their supporters out of Christian Forums, once and for all?

I sure hope you are jesting?

​

 

[MercyBurst]

You won't find a homosexual relationship condemned in Scriptures, you will not find one shred of truth about an orientation, or attraction (as opposed to lust).

Temptation (such as gay attraction) isn't sin. However, yielding to temptation is sin.


If this verse isn't about homosexual men in a gay, lustful relationship, then tell me what it means:

Romans 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet