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Gay Christian?

If the Holy Spirit does not convict a homosexual to stop having gay sex, then

  • It's because it isn't sin

  • They could be saved but the Holy Spirit is not working in them

  • It is very unlikely that they are saved


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I wanted to conduct a poll to see what others on this forum believe regarding "christian homosexuality."

I notice there are several people on this forum that say they are practicing homosexuals, and they have no conviction about this lifestyle being sinful. In other words, they think bedding down with the same sex is ok with Jesus, and there is no need to confess this as a sin.

I just wondered what others think.
 

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yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.
Nothing wrong with women wearing pants.

Besides, the NT condemns homosexuality as well.
 
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Nothing wrong with women wearing pants.
Nothing wrong with homosexuality then, either.

Besides, the NT condemns homosexuality as well.
a. depending on the translation, and interpretation, its hardly "clear cut"
b. and even if we accept that the NT IS condemning homosexuality... surely you would agree that this is because it is citing OT law... so same argument applys... why condemn homosexuality, and not women eating shellfish in pants of mixed fibre?
 
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Oops no your not, sorry.

Bother me that everyone will be saying the same thing over and over again? That people will get offensive and offended. That people who just read and don't post,(non-christians, weak christians) will wonder what we really have that is so great, but we can't get along.

Does it bother me that I believe the devil is working very hard to divide the body of Christ, and that the falling away which has to happen in the last days is coming true right before my eyes?

Yeah, there are alot of things that bother me about starting a new thread on this issue. Will I probably post in it? Well I already have, and if I feel led to I probably will again. Will have to wait on the Lord to know for sure.
 
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Oops no your not, sorry.

Bother me that everyone will be saying the same thing over and over again? That people will get offensive and offended. That people who just read and don't post,(non-christians, weak christians) will wonder what we really have that is so great, but we can't get along.

Does it bother me that I believe the devil is working very hard to divide the body of Christ, and that the falling away which has to happen in the last days is coming true right before my eyes?

Yeah, there are alot of things that bother me about starting a new thread on this issue. Will I probably post in it? Well I already have, and if I feel led to I probably will again. Will have to wait on the Lord to know for sure.
Divide the body of Christ? Practicing homosexuals should be put out from fellowship until they have repented. Just like Adulterers should be put out, and Fornicators, and thieves, and drunkards. I Corinthians 5.
 
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[QUOTE+EnemyPartyII] yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.
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Yeah, can't wait till the shellfish thing isn't posted, and people have to put the NT scriptures where we are told by the Lord that no meats are unclean. Those post are never spoke of after the posting, so will just mention it, and not post them this time.:sigh:
 
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yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.
Homosexuality is a sin just like any other sexual sin. To some it is a more repulsive sexual sin than other types but it is a sin regardless.

I'm not sure about the pants issue... does scripture say women shouldn't wear pants? I wish some women would stop painting them on, OK part of me wishes they'd stop, and the other part just says whoopee!
 
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There's no question scripture condemns homosexual behavior it has nothing to do with the translation/s being used. Some of us just wish to justify wrong behavior because we agree with it. Many sins, like drug use and sexual addictions are particularly difficult to overcome. Behavior we experience which give us intense pleasures hardwire our brains in attachment to that behavior and experience and we become hooked and driven to repeat the pleasurable experience. This can occur with drugs, sex, skydiving, bungy jumping, etc., etc. We should understand this and have compassion on those who indulge but, we can not condone sin.
 
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[QUOTE+EnemyPartyII] yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.

Yeah, can't wait till the shellfish thing isn't posted, and people have to put the NT scriptures where we are told by the Lord that no meats are unclean. Those post are never spoke of after the posting, so will just mention it, and not post them this time.:sigh:[/quote]

Of course, just about everybody is going to ignore the quote by St. Paul which says if we insist on part of the law being followed, we're obligated to follow the ENTIRE Law; and I'm sure that people will also overlook Paul's statement (paraphrased) that we are justified by grace, through faith; and it is because of our faith by God's grace that we uphold the law (not our works or observances).

But then -- I'm a Lutheran, so what do I know about grace through faith? :-|
 
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Does it bother me that I believe the devil is working very hard to divide the body of Christ, and that the falling away which has to happen in the last days is coming true right before my eyes?

There is wheat and there are tares. They both grow in the body of Christ. (Matthew 13)
 
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yet another thread, and STILL no one calling women who wear pants while eating shellfish an abomination. Can't wait until we move from targeting homosexuals to targeting women in pants.

Deut. 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

There's no mention of 'skirts' or 'trousers' in that verse. The substance of that injunction is that men and women should not confuse their gender appearances; and the motive is to discourage the lifestyles that may stem from such practices. Confusion of appearances lead to confusion of gender roles. Such lifestyles may include homosexual tendencies among God's people, which is another abomination (Lev.20:13); or gender roles confused altogether, in the family and society at large.

It is interesting that the dress-sense and fashion of the Old Testament people included the idea that men and women wore garments that had skirts. Notice the masculine pronouns used in Psa. 133:2 - "It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments" and of Ezekiel: "Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts" (Ezek. 5:3). So men wore garments that had skirts back then, but not in the sense of 'skirts' (a woman's garment which hangs down from the waist) as we understand them today. The skirts of Aaron's garment were simply in reference to the outer border of the priestly garments.

Several ancient and contemporary civilizations and cultures had and have clearly defined gender dress modes. Even today, the Scots are popular for their kilts (knee-length pleated skirt of tartan wool which is worn by men as part of the traditional dress of the Scottish Highlands). Other traditional dresses worn by both gender in some other cultures include (a) the sarong - skirt made from a piece of fabric wrapped around the body and fastened at the waist and worn by men and women in Malaysia and other Pacific islands; (b) the toga - loose draped garment worn by citizens of Ancient Rome; (c) robe - any long loose garment (including the gown); and other types like (d) the tunic - usually long upper garment worn by women, but for the men depicts loose-fitting garment often without sleeves and often belted: worn in ancient Greece and Rome.

Some believers assume that Deut. 22:5 is condemning women wearing trousers and men wearing skirts. However, that is not what Scripture indicates. As we have seen, the substance and motive for that verse is to discourage any confusion of gender identity and roles among people professing to belong God. There are professional vocations that require a dress code that include the idea of trousers worn by both men and women, such as civil and petroleum engineering (the overalls they wear in field of operation), and some military service posts. I remember during our NYSC orientation, some ladies wanted to make an issue out of the khaki trousers; they wear given the option of either following the call of orientation service or quit camp.

Of course, what you wear tells who you are. In the NT, women are particularly admonished to "be modest and sensible about their clothes and to dress properly" as befitting women professing to be godly. (I Tim. 2:9, 10). Men and women who profess godliness in their lives don't want to misrepresent their calling, and that's why we're admonished in the OT verse above to not mix up our dress sense to risk confusing our gender identity and roles, because "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6).
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And, of course Christians like to ignore the scriptures that women are not supposed to wear men's clothing, nor gold nor cut their hair. (All NT "rules"), and these are just a few.

I need a rolls eyes smiley.

Selective preaching and practicing. Am I the only one who sees hypocrisy in Christianity?

Now I need a *shaking my head* smiley.
 
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Divide the body of Christ? Practicing homosexuals should be put out from fellowship until they have repented. Just like Adulterers should be put out, and Fornicators, and thieves, and drunkards. I Corinthians 5.

Yes divide the body of Christ, the church. Some who don't profess to be homosexual believe it isn't a sin, and some who don't profess to be homosexual do believe it is a sin.
 
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And, of course Christians like to ignore the scriptures that women are not supposed to wear men's clothing, nor gold nor cut their hair. (All NT "rules"), and these are just a few.

I need a rolls eyes smiley.

Selective preaching and practicing. Am I the only one who sees hypocrisy in Christianity?

Now I need a *shaking my head* smiley.
Since pants originally started out as women's clothing, the irony isn't there.

And where is wearing gold forbidden? And women are told not to cut their hair? That's a new one on me.
 
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There is wheat and there are tares. They both grow in the body of Christ. (Matthew 13)


Yes, the scriptures and life make that very clear, and lets us know that it has to happen till the end of time as we know it.​
 
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Yeah, can't wait till the shellfish thing isn't posted, and people have to put the NT scriptures where we are told by the Lord that no meats are unclean. Those post are never spoke of after the posting, so will just mention it, and not post them this time.:sigh:

God COMMANDED Peter to hit the seafood buffet 3 times.

(Acts 11)

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I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
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Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
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And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

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But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
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But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
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And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

If it's good enough for Peter then it's good enough for me. :preach:

Besides, it's just common sense.
 
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And, of course Christians like to ignore the scriptures that women are not supposed to wear men's clothing, nor gold nor cut their hair. (All NT "rules"), and these are just a few.

I need a rolls eyes smiley.

Selective preaching and practicing. Am I the only one who sees hypocrisy in Christianity?

Now I need a *shaking my head* smiley.


So the point is? :confused:

Are you saying we all have to say, one more time, that we all have sinned and fallen short? :scratch:

Or are you saying that we can't talk about a certain sin, or call it sin, because we all sin? :confused:
 
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