Gay Adoption

[wildernesse]

Nature also shows us examples of females devouring males after mating and promiscuous behavior and harems of females for one male. "Nature" isn't always the best guide for we humans.

I think that studies have shown that there isn't a significant difference (statistically) in the sexual orientation of children raised by same-sex parents and heterosexual parents. (I'll try to find a study for you.) Anyway, you'd have to show that homosexuality is a bad thing for that to matter.

--tibac

 

[Blessed-one]

i mean human nature, it's male and female.
wouldn't it be unbalanced to a child's life to have same sex parents?

for a male and a female act differently, it's just not the same.

i guess this issue is subjected to personal opinons, how do you define a family these days, there's no definite rule because everything is changing so rapidly.

 

[Arnold_Philips]

I don't have any evidence other than "I read it somewhere" (which is, I have found, the basis for many arguments around here), but having homosexual parents/guardians/adoptors/whatever does not mean anything other than he has two daddies or two mommies.

Responding to the topic: I would rather a heterosexual couple adopting, simply because it would bring less schoolyard torment to the child, but homosexual couples are capable of being as loving and nurturing as their straight counterparts.

 

[mac_philo]

Originally posted by Blessed-one
um.. would having homosexual parents influence on the child's future? by that i mean... would the child have a tendency to be gay as he grows up?

and nature has it that parents should be made up of a male and a female, that's the balance!

Nature also has it that immature offspring without parents generally starve or are devoured. Are we to understand that this would be a feasible alternative to adoption?

'Natural' is not equivalent to 'good.'

 

[TwinCrier]

"I'd rather see a stable gay couple raising a kid than an unstable straight couple."

Stable gay?  That's an oxymoron.  Someone who gets off on the same plumbing is anything but stable.  Homosexuality is not a lifestyle, it's a deathstyle.  Everything about it promotes disease.  and on one final note: Ewwwwww!

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Implicit in the arguments that a child needs a mother and a father is that all single parents are incapable of parenting effectively.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Originally posted by TwinCrier
"I'd rather see a stable gay couple raising a kid than an unstable straight couple."

Stable gay?  That's an oxymoron. 

There are countless homosexual couples that have been together for decades. This is about as stable as marriage.

Someone who gets off on the same plumbing is anything but stable.  Homosexuality is not a lifestyle, it's a deathstyle. 

Nice mantra. However, mantras don't become true just because you repeat them over and over again.

Everything about it promotes disease. 

Monogamous homosexual activity has about the same risk for disease as monogamous heterosexual activity, and promiscuous homosexual activity has abot the same risk for disease as heterosexual activity.

and on one final note: Ewwwwww!

And now we get to the core of the issue. A lot of people find homosexual sex icky and make justifications to support their aversion.

 

[eldermike]

We are having this discussion because we live in a society that produces large numbers of unwanted children (a moral issue, purely a family values issue).

To solve the problem we discuss changing our corporate moral values concerning family values.

There is a missing element here, logic.

This discussion is about selfish, meaningless feelings. That is being kind.

Why do we have this large and growing supply of unwanted Children?

Because people live on the "pleasure principle".

Having children is more than "I want one".

Does anyone else see a problem with this logic? Let's give our moral compass a spin and see where it points next.

I know how to solve this. Lets have more sit.coms. on dysfunctional family life.

This thread is revealing.

One thing is a fact. Everyone here had a mother and a father.

 

[Morat]

Wildernesse: Studies have indeed shown that children raised in same-sex households are no more (or less) likely to be gay than children raised in opposite-sex households.

  If you want a full cite, I'll go dig up the studies Sauron mentioned on another thread.

 

 

[ocean]

 

 

[Pirotess]

A good parent is a good parent, no matter their sexuality. If they have a stable home, a good income and have proven they have what it takes to care for and nurture a child, they should be allowed to apodt. So many poor children are in need of parents, but gay couples, singles and co-habiting heterosexual couple (not to mention married couples who are deemed too old etc) are not allowed. This is just damaging children, being moved between foster families and orphanages. The government needs to be a little more open minded and think of the children.

 

[Stormy]

but having homosexual parents/guardians/adoptors/whatever does not mean anything other than he has two daddies or two mommies

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No this is not true. It is much different then two mommies or two daddys.
There is a child that I know of that lives in such a home. He lives with his mother and her "friend". When the children talk about their fathers... He tells the other children that mommy does not like boys, she only likes girls. This little boy has a very low self esteem. The person that cares for him while his "mommies" are at work tries hard to make him proud. She tells him that he will grow to be a fine man. He smiles and seems happy. But it does not last. It seems that it is far more important to him... what mommie thinks.

Sin can hurt more than just the sinner.

 

[wildernesse]

And one final note: Ewww! Really fat people having sex! Ewww! Old people having sex! Ewww! My parents having sex!

Based on how gross it is (for me, hypothetically) to think about these people having sex, none of them should be able to adopt children!!! I mean, Ewwww!

And Stormy: Shouldn't it be more important to a child what a parent thinks rather than a babysitter? If my (non-existant) child considered his babysitter's opinions over mine, there would be something terribly wrong with my parenting skills IMO.

--tibac

 

[Im4everHisChild]

Originally posted by amie
I have absolutely no problem with gay adoption whatsoever. I think as long as the child is taken care of, clothed, fed, loved... those are the important things...not parental gender...
just my opinion though folks...

I feel the very same way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stormy]

Shouldn't it be more important to a child what a parent thinks rather than a babysitter?

wildernesse : I agree with you. A babysitter should in no way replace good parenting. But a child should not feel that his sex ( male) is of no worth. The kid is four years old and already undergoing an identity crisis because his gay mom opening flaunts her sexuality. He is confused and the sitter tries to make him feel good about himself. She is a beautiful person and I believe the child is blessed for having her to care for him.

So now, to complete my thoughts on the thread topic...

No I do not think gay adoption is good.

In fact if there was a way to get this child in a stable environment it would be good.

You can all speak of how good and loving you are because you promote gay adoption. Or you can talk against adoption because you want to punish the gays and not reward them with children.

But until you look at the truth of gay parenting though the eyes of a child your opinion is just that. Your opinion. I have seen the result of such a home and it breaks my heart.

 

[Morat]

 Stormy: My neighbor's kid is the exact same way. He's got so many problems, and is never happy. Quite a little crises. My mother, who is trained to recognize such things, hopes that his parents get him to a therapist soon.

   Of course, his parents are a heterosexual couple.

   Oh wait! I've just shown why anecdotal stories aren't worth the effort it takes to type them, haven't I? Sorry, Stormy.

 

 

[mac_philo]

Even as an anecdote this story misses the mark, since being a lesbian has nothing to do with 'not liking men.' By this reasoning, men shouldn't be around daughters, and mothers shouldn't be around sons, since sexual orientation entails they 'don't like' who they aren't attracted to.

Your story seems to insinuate that this boy's mother tells him that she doesn't like any males. If so that's not because she's a lesbian, it's because she hates males.

Plenty of straight men hate women. Should we ban straight adoption?

Anecdotal evidence is worthless. There are unhappy children with every type of parent.

 

[Gerry]

Under NO circumstances should gay couples be allowed to adopt human children.

 

[ocean]

So, would forced abortion be better? If most people are against adoption of "unwanted" children by "unstable" (not a married, affulent, heterosexual couple) people, then abortion is the only answer. As for the children already here, would it be better for them to go from orphanage to orphanage until they're 16?

edited for clarity.

 

[coastie]

In response to that statement, I'd like to see some figures on how many heterosexual parents have been on waiting lists to adopt.

this is an statement from adoptionservices.org regarding the waiting:

How long is the wait to adopt a child? This is a complex question to answer!

Why?

Because your total waiting period to adopt a child depends upon many factors, including the race, age, health and nationality of the child, whether you find the child yourself through a private source or whether you work with an agency, the specific agency you select, your level of motivation to adopt, your total adoption budget, and (in foreign adoptions) your willingness to travel.

In general, healthy Caucasian newborns and infants are the most sought after children and the wait for these children can be many months to many years.

If you are willing/desirous of adopting a Black, bi-racial, or multi racial child, the wait may be much shorter - only a matter of a few months.

A special needs child, e.g. an older child, or a child with physical, emotional, or intellectual limitations, can often be adopted through special county, state, or private agencies in a relatively short period of time.

The waiting period for foreign-born children usually depends on the specific foreign country the child is adopted from and can vary from a few months to a few years.

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Don't forget that adopting a foreign born child may involve significant travel. While some countries allow you to adopt the child and have the child escorted to the US, others require you to make 1 or 2 trips to the foreign country.

And don't forget your total waiting period will include the several days, weeks, or months you have to stay in the foreign country.

The best way to find out how long YOUR specific adoption will take is to write down all your questions. Then personally call the agency, talk to the staff, and have all your questions answered.

Now I don't have any hard numbers on adoptions, but I can tell you that there is no shortage of people wanting to adopt. As a matter of fact there are two couple in my church on a waiting list, and I know several adoptees and families that have adopted.

The correlation between abortion and outlawing gay adoption is non-substantiated as far as my research has taken me.