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Garden of Eden, tree of knowledge
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Does me cutting off your supply of food, water, or a medicine you need to live translate as me killing you?
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Your missing the point, God can quit providing us with life at any time, we "deserve nothing. I am not providing you with life, so I cannot take your life.
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God doesn't tempt us. He doesn't place upon us more than we can handle. Adam and Eve could have said no but they didn't. They were capable of saying no just as easily as saying yes. God's plan is perfect. Have Faith.
Don't let something so trivial get between you and God and let it impede your spiritual growth.
Don't let something so trivial get between you and God and let it impede your spiritual growth.
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Then what was Genesis 3:22 about? God says they can't be allowed to live forever, and cuts off their access to the tree of life (which is something they needed to continue living, no different than air, water, food, medicine, other than the time frame involved).
I never said God didn't have the right to take people's lives.
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Of course He can. The question is does He? I don't think so. He created us as mortals. That means we all die. He does not have to kill us for that to happen.
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I think the tree of life refers to Jesus. In any event it is not the same as air, water, food, mdeicine, etc. You still are assuming they had already eaten of the tree of life. That is not what it says.
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8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the groundtrees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Looks like a real literal tree to me. Or perhaps the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was also metaphorical, or the other trees in the garden?
22 And the LORD God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
I think if there was a tree of life around nowadays people would consider it a medicine. Anti-aging medication. In any case, nowhere did I suggest Adam and Eve had already eaten from the tree of life.
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Ruth,
God's creation of man was an act of love. He never intended us to be slaves. That is why He had to allow the possibility of disobedience, so that man's love could never be construed to be coerced.
You're right, though, about the candy dish on the table; it's a pretty sure thing it's going to be eaten. Now consider this: the Bible says that Jesus is the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. That means that God knew that man was going to fall, and He knew the terrible price it would take to make the way back for him. And He created us anyway. That is amazing love.
The devil's lie in the Garden was that God rules over us for His own aggrandizement. Christ proved once for all that that is untrue. God's love is so awesome we simply are not able to understand it perfectly. But please see the possibility of falling in the Garden for what it was, not in any way reducing the boundless love God has shown for us, but actually an expression of that love.
Blessings,
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God's creation of man was an act of love. He never intended us to be slaves. That is why He had to allow the possibility of disobedience, so that man's love could never be construed to be coerced.
You're right, though, about the candy dish on the table; it's a pretty sure thing it's going to be eaten. Now consider this: the Bible says that Jesus is the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. That means that God knew that man was going to fall, and He knew the terrible price it would take to make the way back for him. And He created us anyway. That is amazing love.
The devil's lie in the Garden was that God rules over us for His own aggrandizement. Christ proved once for all that that is untrue. God's love is so awesome we simply are not able to understand it perfectly. But please see the possibility of falling in the Garden for what it was, not in any way reducing the boundless love God has shown for us, but actually an expression of that love.
Blessings,
p.
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Do you have a problem with God calling you home?
Only God can know when I have completed my opportunities and I do not want to stay here past that moment. You see at some time I do want to go home (after I have completed all the opportunities God has provided for me and I would be nice to die for the cause).
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I don't have a problem with God calling me home. I do have a problem with God killing people.
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Killing people suggests an untimely death, but what does that mean to God?
Death is the way good people get to be eternally visibly with God (home) and the way bad people quit doing bad stuff?
Our lives have purposes and meaning, but that purpose and meaning can be completed at a very early age, so why do we need to stay here any longer?
Some babies will have to die at an early age or the rest of the system does not work (God is providing the ideal situation (a messed up world) for those that can and are willing to accept Gods help to fulfill their objective in their life. The death of those babies does not mean they are hell bound, but are destined to be with God fulfilling their purpose, but not fulfilling the earthly objective for mature humans (they have a child to parent type Love, but never had the opportunity to obtain a Godly type Love).
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I have difficulty seeing the purpose of a dead baby. I don't see their death as being necessary for the system to work.
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Think of what would happen:
If every innocent (all) baby could not die:
Would there need to be any faith to believe there is a God (is it obvious there has to be a God)?
Would babies be an opportunity to care for, protect and raise to adulthood, since God is takes care of them?
Would the point at which they mature enough to die be a happy moment and one they have been prepared for?
Would people carry a baby in front of them into battle?
Would this system be different and would it work toward fulfilling the earthly objective?
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I understand within our system babies along with the rest of us are subject to death. My point was I did not see the need for God to kill a particular baby.
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Adam and Eve were not little tikes who were concieved in sin.Of course little children will innocently reach for the sweets ,they have little impulse control and understanding what is good for them.Adam and Eve were created perfect,not born in sin they walked with God in the garden,not toddlers,rather they were intelligent and fully understood what God commanded them and that they were to obey their Creator God.However since by one man sin came upon all men,so by the Son of Man the many can be made righteous by the free gift of salvation in Christ Jesus.Whosoever will may come.God is love.Man does not easily grasp the height and depth and length and breadth of the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.Due to our sinful natures and conditional love we find it hard to understand God's love and Holiness.Yet the more we pray and get to know him the more we may taste and see that God is good.
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One example of why God might want to kill a baby is as punishment for David and Bathsheba's sin.
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