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Do you consider Ussher's work to be accurate? He made rather sweeping assumptions regarding the dates of when certain historical figures lived.when you follow the geneologies and usshers dating methodology you come to about 6 thousand years old.
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Do you consider Ussher's work to be accurate? He made rather sweeping assumptions regarding the dates of when certain historical figures lived.
I'm also curious as to why you take Genesis literally. And, is there no evidence or empirical data that could sway you from this view? What do you make of things like radiometric dating and the geological column?
The genealogies in the Bible are very easy to follow from Adam to Abraham. A fifth grader could do it. They are a lot more difficult to follow after Abraham, but the Jewish people have all the records from Abraham on, so you can just go by their records. Noah died and Abraham began his ministry 4,000 years ago. Moses lived 3500 years ago. Solomon built his temple 3000 years ago. Then of course Jesus was born around 2015 years ago and began His ministry about ad25.I believe ussher made some assumptions but I believe his chronologies to be fairly accurate within 1000 years or so.
The genealogies in the Bible are very easy to follow from Adam to Abraham. A fifth grader could do it. They are a lot more difficult to follow after Abraham, but the Jewish people have all the records from Abraham on, so you can just go by their records. Noah died and Abraham began his ministry 4,000 years ago. Moses lived 3500 years ago. Solomon built his temple 3000 years ago. Then of course Jesus was born around 2015 years ago and began His ministry about ad25.
Yes, I have done the math myself, that is why I know how easy it all is. Everything works out just fine. I have always read and studied the genealogys. A lot of people skip over them. But I always figured how are you going to say you read the whole Bible if you skip over parts of it.interesting, have you done this study? Does it work out?
Yes, I have done the math myself, that is why I know how easy it all is. Everything works out just fine. I have always read and studied the genealogys. A lot of people skip over them. But I always figured how are you going to say you read the whole Bible if you skip over parts of it.
I believe ussher made some assumptions but I believe his chronologies to be fairly accurate within 1000 years or so.
To be honest, I'm not interested in arguing with someone else's website. I want to talk to you, someone I can actually have a conversation with. If you think there are problems with radiometric dating, fine. What problems do you think there are?
Of course it doesn't exist as a single object. That's not what the geological column is. There's no uninterrupted sequence of layers - but the layers exist. No tree is 10,000 years old, but dendochronology can stack these trees up and align them according to very particular patterns of rings, thus creating a sequence that stretches back very far indeed. Similarly, though no one area has all the layers of the column, the layers can be superimposed to remove the effects of weathering and subduction and so forth. There are also phenomena that can strip strata away (glaciers, erosion, etc), and phenomena that lay strata down in some places but not others (e.g., lakes and oceans lay strata down that won't appear in contemporary deserts). These strata are 'missing', but not in any way that geologists aren't very much aware of.
Kent Hovind? The man who demonstrably lies to the people he preaches to (he's been corrected on many issues, acknowledges these corrections, and then goes right on back to making the same mistakes), and who steals money from those preaches to pay for his taxes?
Basically, TalkOrigins has an extensive list of refutations for these various Creationists arguments ("layers of strata are missing", "dates and index fossils were plucked out of a hat 150 years ago", etc), and I won't bother repeating them. The article is here, and it serves as a specific refutation of Hovind's arguments (particularly apt, since you cited Hovind himself), and a general refutation for these sorts of arguments.
I made a 50 Euro bet with my son that he will give you a copy paste answer from a creo site. My son thinks that he will avoid answering directly. Keeping my fingers crossed........................To be honest, I'm not interested in arguing with someone else's website. I want to talk to you, someone I can actually have a conversation with. If you think there are problems with radiometric dating, fine. What problems do you think there are?
This is what your article says: "by 1815 the broad outlines of the geologic column from Paleozoic times onward had been worked out by people who were mostly creationist geologists."The article is here, and it serves as a specific refutation of Hovind's arguments (particularly apt, since you cited Hovind himself), and a general refutation for these sorts of arguments.
He thinks he can actually avoid having to think for himself?I made a 50 Euro bet with my son that he will give you a copy paste answer from a creo site. My son thinks that he will avoid answering directly.
This is what your article says: "by 1815 the broad outlines of the geologic column from Paleozoic times onward had been worked out by people who were mostly creationist geologists."
So did Creationists give us the geologic column. If so than that means creationism has made a very substantial contribution to science according to your article on Talkorigins. Were you the one that was saying that Creationists have contributed nothing? Now your presenting an argument that their contribution has been substantial.
Perhaps it is the skeptic that has made no contribution. All the seeds of doubt and unbelief turn out to be weeds and they never produce any fruit or anything of any value.
These are the very same people that give us Creationism. At least they are the ones that developed OEC Creationism and the Day Age Theory. GAP (ruin restoration) says a day is 1000 years. YEC says a day is 24 hours. OEC, GAP & YEC could all be right.There is a small but important difference between people believing in Creationism making valuable discoveries... and people USING Creationism fom making valuable discoveries.
There are a lot of examples for the first kind... but if you can find even one example for the second, I would be really surprised.
Yep.This is what your article says: "by 1815 the broad outlines of the geologic column from Paleozoic times onward had been worked out by people who were mostly creationist geologists."
Broadly speaking, yes.So did Creationists give us the geologic column.
Incorrect. TalkOrigins says that Creationists devloped the broad outlines of the geologic column from the Paleozoic onwards - but it doesn't say this development was because of their Creationism. A number of Creationists made a contribution to science, not Creationism.If so than that means creationism has made a very substantial contribution to science according to your article on Talkorigins.
No, I wasn't, and I wouldn't say such a thing because I'm well aware of Creationists who have contributed much to science - Newton was a Creationist, after all.Were you the one that was saying that Creationists have contributed nothing?
Incorrect. A sceptic is anyone who doesn't take things at face value or believe something without due reason. This makes every good scientist a sceptic, every individual who has ever gone "Oh really? Prove it", or "I'll test to see if that's really true", or "So you say, but there's nothing to back it up".Now your presenting an argument that their contribution has been substantial.
Perhaps it is the skeptic that has made no contribution. All the seeds of doubt and unbelief turn out to be weeds and they never produce any fruit or anything of any value.
This however is not about the age of the earth.Of course it doesn't exist as a single object. That's not what the geological column is. There's no uninterrupted sequence of layers - but the layers exist. No tree is 10,000 years old, but dendochronology can stack these trees up and align them according to very particular patterns of rings, thus creating a sequence that stretches back very far indeed.
Basically, TalkOrigins has an extensive list of refutations for these various Creationists arguments ("layers of strata are missing", "dates and index fossils were plucked out of a hat 150 years ago", etc), and I won't bother repeating them. The article is here, and it serves as a specific refutation of Hovind's arguments (particularly apt, since you cited Hovind himself), and a general refutation for these sorts of arguments.
OEC, GAP or YEC? When it comes to population genetics "Creationism" give you the written genealogys and a lot of written history to go by. When it comes to archeology Creationism gives you a lot of written historical records about the ancient cities that they excavate and the people that lived there. Look at Babylon for example. There is a lot of information about that city in the Bible. Much more information then what we have from the study of the ancient ruins that we find there today. Science uses the Bible all the time for the work that they do.What contributions has Creationism given us?
Please show me how the bible can tell me if a child is actually related to his father? You cannot use any tests that are scientific such as DNA testing. Give me one verse in the bible that can stand the scrutiny of an empirical test on paternity!OEC, GAP or YEC? When it comes to population genetics "Creationism" give you the written genealogys and a lot of written history to go by. When it comes to archeology Creationism gives you a lot of written historical records about the ancient cities that they excavate and the people that lived there. Look at Babylon for example. There is a lot of information about that city in the Bible. Much more information then what we have from the study of the ancient ruins that we find there today. Science uses the Bible all the time for the work that they do.
Exactly: science uses the Bible for historical clues. Not Creationism, but the Bible. Both a Christian Creationist and a Christian TE have the same Bible. Historical information derived from the Bible is a testament to the veracity of (parts of) the Bible, not to Creationism.OEC, GAP or YEC? When it comes to population genetics "Creationism" give you the written genealogys and a lot of written history to go by. When it comes to archeology Creationism gives you a lot of written historical records about the ancient cities that they excavate and the people that lived there. Look at Babylon for example. There is a lot of information about that city in the Bible. Much more information then what we have from the study of the ancient ruins that we find there today. Science uses the Bible all the time for the work that they do.
You got it backwards. DNA confirms that the Bible is true. From the study of DNA we know that Abraham is the Paternal Father of both Arabs and Jews. Of course if you want to put on your blinders and refuse to read the research then your not going to know the truth. My experance has been that everytime science confirms the Bible is true the Atheists ignore the science or even deny science. They pick and choose and they only accept the science that they want to accept.Please show me how the bible can tell me if a child is actually related to his father? You cannot use any tests that are scientific such as DNA testing. Give me one verse in the bible that can stand the scrutiny of an empirical test on paternity!
You do not even know what Creationism is and I do not think that you ever well know.Remember, Creationism is the proposition that the universe, the Earth, life, and/or humanity were poofed into being by a deity.
Then, by all means, educate us.You do not even know what Creationism is and I do not think that you ever well know.
You will continue to argue against a strawman of your own creation theory.
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