Game over for the president

[Aldebaran]

Isn’t that the same logic trump supporter had in 2016 when they voted for Trump?

‘ We want an outsider like Trump to go to Washington and drain the swamp “

Draining the swamp in Washington means cleaning up the corruption in government. Hardly the same as collapsing the economy, social order, legal system, and moral standards of the entire country as a way to federalize or globalize everything.
"By 2030, you will own nothing, and you'll be happy".

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Is that what the democrats in congress concluded after the 2016 election? Or were they so unaccepting of the choice of the people for president that they launched every phony investigation they could, and tell any lie they had to tell in order to show how much they hated the President?

May be you don’t remember so let me remind you .. the Russia investigation by Senate and House started in 2017 by GOP control congress, the FBI investigation started by GOP hand picked Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Draining the swamp in Washington means cleaning up the corruption in government. Hardly the same as collapsing the economy, social order, legal system, and moral standards of the entire country as a way to federalize or globalize everything.
"By 2030, you will own nothing, and you'll be happy".

Apparently Trump couldn’t do any thing that is why , he lost his reelection bud by 8 million vote.

 

[Aldebaran]

Are you disagreeing that American economic power in 18th century was build on slavery ?

This isn't the 18th century. Be progressive.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Do you actually expect the democrats to come out ahead in November? They're retiring and quitting already. They can read the writing on the wall.

You and I agree on something here .. democrat will lose congress in mid-term election just like every other mid-term election in the past.

So what ?

Joe Biden will still be the POTUS

And

Trump will crash wedding and tell people “ I was the greatest President of all .. the best ever .. and I won election in 2020”

Nothing to see !

 

[Tiberius Lee]

This isn't the 18th century. Be progressive.

so you would like to re-write the history of America ? No wonder it’s upset you when children are taught CRT.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

His objections were either a sign of delusional thinking or just plain crap that he thought his supporters would believe.

The fact he wanted to prevent the lawful transfer of power is fact.

so you don’t care what is true huh? Do you even know what the constitution says about how the states must determine election laws? If not then all you care about is saying bad things about trump. Ho hum. That is not a good argument.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Legal move ? America is not a banana republic that you want “ legal move” in kangaroo court and change election result. Trump created a uprising and wanted to change election result to overthrow legitimately elected government of USA.

Trump tried all the legal move in court and failed.. so according to you .. Trump wanted to play out “ legal move” in public .

you don’t understand or want to understand what his arguments were. Read his speech on Jan 6th. No where does he call for an uprising or doing anything illegal. He wanted the constitution to be upheld. He laid out his case. The media is lying to you. All you have to do is read it yourself and think for yourself. Will you do that?

 

[disciple Clint]

How long can he be given credit for the one and only thing he has accomplished?

According to USA Constitution - it’s 4 years! USA Constitution doesn’t give a hoot about polls!

If you are happy with what you got, who am I and the vast majority of other voters to argue.

 

[Hammster]

Protest what ? election is over. Nothing to see

It wasn’t official until Jan 6, and some were protesting the certification because they thought there were shenanigans. I’m really surprised that you had to ask.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Draining the swamp in Washington means cleaning up the corruption in government.

And the man who promised to do that is being investigated for fraud in eight states: Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada, New York, and New Mexico.

 

[miamited]

"Tents, sleeping bags and such"?

Hi @Aldebaran

Yes, tents, sleeping bags and such. Also, as I mentioned, some military armaments. You've got a video of 20-30 armored vehicles. Hardly the top secret classified military pieces that any nation would be interested in reverse engineering. I've never denied that a lot of military goods were left, I just deny that any of it was of any particular value for finding any kind of top military secrets.

So yes, there was quite a stockpile of leftover parts and supplies and several hundred vehicles, rifles and such. All of which the Afghanis already had that we had given to them over the years in support of their military, which quickly collapsed and they let the goods into the Taliban's hands.

You're welcome to find a boogey man in all of that if you like, but the withdrawal out of Afghanistan wasn't a whole lot different, as far as leaving stuff behind, then the end of the 2nd world war, the Vietnam war and most every other war that the U.S. has ever been involved in. The Contras had lots of American military equipment also and when they fell, Nicaragua, now ruled by Sandinistas supported by the USSR and Cuban and Panamanian governments, got their hands on most of it.

This cry of how we left lots of military goods in Afghanistan is really just a red herring. We've always left lots of military goods on the battle field after any kind of American supported skirmish.

God bless,
Ted

 

[A_Thinker]

That is irrelevant to the smear that he wanted people to riot at the capitol.

Also, have you even considered his objections to the election? It is a fact that some states did change election laws in violation of the US constitution.

How was the US Constitution violated ?

States run their own elections (i.e. make their own rules). The US Constitution gives them that authority ... so long as they don't violate their voters civil rights ...

 

[A_Thinker]

so you don’t care what is true huh? Do you even know what the constitution says about how the states must determine election laws? If not then all you care about is saying bad things about trump. Ho hum. That is not a good argument.

What does the Constitution say about how the states must determine election laws ?

 

[A_Thinker]

How long can he be given credit for the one and only thing he has accomplished, yes he won the election and then failed on everything since that election. Almost everything that he claimed that he would do if he became president has turned out to be a lie.

A president gets 4 years to accomplish an agenda. Biden has had 1, ... and has signed an infrastructure bill, ... something that Trump ran on and never did for 4 long years ...

 

[Tiberius Lee]

If you are happy with what you got, who am I and the vast majority of other voters to argue.

US Constitution doesn’t give a hoot about if people are happy with their elected President or not. According to USA Constitution - it’s 4 years term.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

It wasn’t official until Jan 6, and some were protesting the certification because they thought there were shenanigans. I’m really surprised that you had to ask.

What can I say , you are admitting “COUP” by Trump supporter . I rest my case.

 

[KCfromNC]

Where does he say to use violence to overthrow the result?

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.​

 

[Tiberius Lee]

you don’t understand or want to understand what his arguments were. Read his speech on Jan 6th. No where does he call for an uprising or doing anything illegal. He wanted the constitution to be upheld. He laid out his case. The media is lying to you. All you have to do is read it yourself and think for yourself. Will you do that?

He has no argument. Election is over. Every voted counted. Legal system including SCOTUS had their say about the election. Jan 6 was a ceremonial day. End of the story.

Yet Trump call his supporter to come to DC and talk about voter fraud and send his supporter to go to congress “peacefully”. Peacefully to do what ? Ask elected official to change the election result – that is “ overthrowing legitimately elected POTUS”

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

How was the US Constitution violated ?

States run their own elections (i.e. make their own rules). The US Constitution gives them that authority ... so long as they don't violate their voters civil rights ...

I agree but it does say how they are to make those laws for federal elections.

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The supreme court in 2015 defined "legislature" as the process in which a state enacts laws. (Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission). So if a state enacts laws through its congress and then signed by a governor which is most states, then a judge or bureaucrat cannot change elections laws. The state congress has to. This is how the supreme court interpreted this clause in 2015 and said it applies to presidential elections as well.

So Trumps argument is that States like Pennsylvania, New York, Georgia and others changed their election laws prior to and during early voting by Governors orders, judges orders and election bureaucrats in violation of the US constitution. This is a fact that laws were changed in these states not by the normal process of making laws in that state. So what Trump wanted was those laws thrown out and the votes in these states recounted per the legal laws of elections in that state.

This is all in the speech he gave on Jan 6th and he stated these things pervious to Jan 6th and after Jan 6th. Whether you agree with this argument or not you should not propagate the lie that Trump wanted a hostile takeover of the election or to subvert any votes. He thought he had a legal issue and I agree he does.