Galaxy rotation patterns are better explained by Birkeland currents than by dark matter.

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The irony is that Somov's diagram actually provides the outline for a laboratory test which should get Michael all excited.
Unfortunately for Michael it also shows that induction is impossible.
As any high school physics student knows the two straight parallel wires in Sonov's diagram do not form a flux surface for the magnetic field to pass through let alone vary the magnetic flux with time for induction to occur.
That would surely require a theoretical construct of a 'flux surface' though, no? .. (which is strictly verboten by order of 'the parent body'!)
... And yet somehow, Maxwell got away with using one .. which is apparently readily acceptable (with a blind eye) by the EU bretheren..(?) o_O

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Note that a symptom of "crankdom" is that cranks expect you to disprove their assertions rather than the onus of them on proving the assertion.
Michael demanding an experiment to show that magnetic reconnection is not induction instead of the logically correct procedure of him demonstrating that magnetic reconnection and induction experiments are the same is a case in point.
The whole thing here is that, in Michael's case, any of his demands of 'disproof' always imply an unstated and usually concealed assumption, (either wittingly, unwittingly or half-witttingly), which commences with an 'If ..' (Eg: 'If the universe is filled with 99% plasma ..')
Michael's entire quest is one huge test of that hidden unevidenced physical assumption which apparently, can be pinned onto anything at will, which looks even vaguely related to it .. in this case poor old Boris Somov's textbook! (Ie: 'If the conductors are contained driven plasma ...').

I just wish the discussion was more focused on his quest for such a nonsensical Holy Grail .. rather than on the well defined (theoretically and practically evidenced) physical mechanism of reconnection?! :confused:
 
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My (admittedly limited) understanding from what I've read on the subject, both in technical works, and from commenters on science forums, is that for induction you need a conductor (plasma) moving through a magnetic field. Given the induction equation from MHD, and the diffusion timescale, based on the magnetic Reynolds number, then induction is impossible on the timescales involved in MR. The field is frozen-in on those timescales.
Not to mention that the topology changes also cannot happen from induction that are seen in MR. It is a non-argument. Any claims that it needs a lab experiment to rule it out are a complete nonsense, as nobody is claiming that it is even possible, other than Michael, and he hasn't got much of an idea about the subject area.
 
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I feel for Somov though .. can you imagine the pasting he's in for?
Next thing we know, he'll be tarrred with the same brush as every other scientist who's attempted to set Michael straight. :neutral:

Yep, a PC/EU hater! Poor Michael doesn't realise that there is nothing to hate. Only to ridicule!
 
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Another piece of appalling scholarship by Scott, is his reference [8]. He again references a press release! The context for the reference is the lie;

It has been suggested [8] that galaxies form on and along cosmic Birkeland currents.

This is the PR;

Astronomers find faint strings of galaxies inside empty space

No mention of Birkeland currents there!

So, let's instead have a look at the free access paper that Scott couldn't be bothered to reference, for whatever reason;

Galaxy and Mass Assembly (GAMA): fine filaments of galaxies detected within voids
Alpaslan, M. et al.
Galaxy and Mass Assembly (GAMA): fine filaments of galaxies detected within voids

Word search time!;

'Birkeland' = zero hits.
'current' = zero hits.

So, why is he claiming that Alpaslan et al suggested such a thing? It is an outright lie, an appalling piece of professional misconduct, and just shows more evidence of why this author, and his 'paper', deserve no consideration whatsoever.

Aha! I think I've figured out why Scott has only referenced a sci-news aggregate, when the paper was freely available - he knew he was lying, and had he referenced the paper, that would have been noticed by the authors within the citations to their paper. And they certainly would have had something to say about that. So, I would say that Scott is not only a liar, but that he is a coward. And a sneaky one at that.
Perhaps it's time to fire off another email, and point out the unscrupulous behaviour of Scott to the authors of the paper.

EDIT: I should credit SelfSim for first noticing this over at ISF;

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Electric Universe: has there ever been a scientific research program?
 
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Aha! I think I've figured out why Scott has only referenced a sci-news aggregate, when the paper was freely available - he knew he was lying, and had he referenced the paper, that would have been noticed by the authors within the citations to their paper. And they certainly would have had something to say about that. So, I would say that Scott is not only a liar, but that he is a coward. And a sneaky one at that.
Perhaps it's time to fire off another email, and point out the unscrupulous behaviour of Scott to the authors of the paper.

EDIT: I should credit SelfSim for first noticing this over at ISF;

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Electric Universe: has there ever been a scientific research program?
Hmm .. interesting! Thanks for the update on that! :)

I don't think I'd personally call him a 'liar' though ... Can one call someone who references a delusion and who appears to be desperately trying to support a 'faith' by using his own professional skills, a 'liar'? (I'm not sure .. maybe a 'fictionalist' perhaps?).
IMHO, Scott has certainly demonstrated apparent deviousness, by delaying references to Lundquist's math models in his various public versions of his paper (ie: 'professional plagiarism'). It can also be said however that he eventually corrected this oversight, in spite of his garnering significant misguided support from the cult followers by doing so (which is evidence of some semblance of a core of 'professional honesty'?).
 
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Hmm .. interesting! Thanks for the update on that! :)

I don't think I'd personally call him a 'liar' though ... Can one call someone who references a delusion and who appears to be desperately trying to support a 'faith' by using his own professional skills, a 'liar'? (I'm not sure .. maybe a 'fictionalist' perhaps?).
IMHO, Scott has certainly demonstrated apparent deviousness, by delaying references to Lundquist's math models in his various public versions of his paper (ie: 'professional plagiarism'). It can also be said however that he eventually corrected this oversight, in spite of his garnering significant misguided support from the cult followers by doing so (which is evidence of some semblance of a core of 'professional honesty'?).

You may be right. However, the claim that;

It has been suggested [8] that galaxies form on and along cosmic Birkeland currents.

would certainly appear to be a lie. The article claims no such thing. Neither does the paper that it is reporting. If it was merely his interpretation of the paper, then he should have made that clear, and given his reasoning. He would never get away with such a thing in a proper journal.
And, again, why not reference the freely available paper? There is only one reason I can think of for not doing that. The lead author is named in the article. It took me all of a handful of seconds to locate the paper. What is Scott afraid of? If he was still associated with an employer, I would certainly be making them aware of his professional misconduct. We expect this sort of thing from Thornhill, but I thought Scott was merely deluded, and beyond that sort of thing. Apparently, he isn't.
As I said on ISF, this sort of thing points to the fundamental dishonesty of EU and its proponents. (That is basically a quote I nicked from Tim Thompson, that I have yet to relocate)
 
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Right, from Scott back to Michael;

Prof. Somov was good enough to copy me his correspondence with Michael. This consisted of two emails;

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I'll upload the reply in pdf format (as it was sent to me by the good professor) below. The text is as follows;

Dear Michael,
Many thanks to you for your kind letter.
% The diagram below actually comes from a different book that you wrote called
% "Cosmic Plasma Physics" …
The first book grew from the lectures given many times at the Moscow Institute of
Physics and Technics (the well-known “fiz-tekh”) since 1977. A similar full-year course
was also offered to the students at the Moscow State University over the years after
1990.
Huge amount of new materials, related to modern astrophysics, has been added.
So, today there are two volumes of my “Plasma Astrophysics, Second Edition” (2013).
% … from section 1.1.2 on the topic of magnetic reconnection in a vacuum.
This is Part II: Reconnection and Flares, Second Edition, Springer SBM, 2013.
% My question to you is pretty simple, but I want to be absolutely certain that I'm clear
% about your intent. I "assume" that the two parallel currents (I) that you're
% discussing in that diagram are intended to represent two free flowing plasma
% filaments in a vacuum rather than two solid wires. Am I correct in that
% assumption?
No. What you suggest is an absolutely different complicated situation.
In my lecture 1.1, I explain to students a very simple case - the magnetic
reconnection in vacuum driven by the external (relative to a reconnection region)
electric currents. For example, the currents in the solid conductors placed outside
of the vacuum tube in the laboratory experiments Frank A.G. et al. in Moscow.
Naturally, my students understand this topic easily and with appreciation.
In fact, I would be happy if I could help you to solve the extremely difficult and
interesting problem which you suggest to consider. Unfortunately I am very busy.
Together with one of my post-graduate student, Pavel Gritsyk (very talent
person), I have to complete work on the thermal (T_e ~ 10 keV) runaway
electrons and hard X-ray polarization in solar flares. Another young college,
Leonid Ledentson (also very good scientist), writes the text-book (the lectures) on
the classical background of plasma astrophysics. So, I have to him. .
Thank you so much once again for your letter. With kind regards and best wishes,
Boris V. Somov
04.05.2019

The second email as I received it is split between Michael's questions and Somov's replies;

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I received these on the 4th and 5th of May, but hadn't checked my inbox for a couple of days.

One wonders whether an apology might also be in order to W. D. Clinger, at ISF?
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Great stuff!
Michael can now be declared as being completely and utterly outright WRONG about Somov's conductors being the 'ideal case' of solid wires. (He might also apologise to 'Reality Check' also .. like: 'as if').
That's only taken Michael ... what .. 9 years was it?

So we now see Michael going full animal, lashing out at everyone who dares to criticise his plasma beliefs.

One question though, why did he say Clinger's tutorials on the quadrupole model etc have web-disappeared (or was I mistaken)? As mentioned earlier in this thread here they are here.

Also I might add that, as the EU Solar model is as deeply flawed in terms of its Physics principle foundations (and corresponding observations) as has been shown (by independent sources) time and time again, then its 'predictions' can be said as being unbounded by fundamental physics and observational evidence. As far as I can see, that means all bets are off and one can therefore argue that it predicts whatever one wants to say it predicts .. eg: 'NO NEUTRINOS' is equally as valid as anything else one wishes to claim on its behalf!
 
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Michael said:
sjastro said:
The irony is that Somov's diagram actually provides the outline for a laboratory test which should get Michael all excited.
Unfortunately for Michael it also shows that induction is impossible.
As any high school physics student knows the two straight parallel wires in Sonov's diagram do not form a flux surface for the magnetic field to pass through let alone vary the magnetic flux with time for induction to occur.
Well, that's complete nonsense since it would be simply to draw square that perpendicular to the image between the two currents and show that the flux through the square changes between the images.
There we go .. as predicted, this is what happens when someone doesn't understand the physics principles underpinning a flux surface (nor the logic of the math analysis which follows).

How on earth can such thinkers then be so adamant about the veracity of Maxwell's models?
 
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There we go .. as predicted, this is what happens when someone doesn't understand the physics principles underpinning a flux surface (nor the logic of the math analysis which follows).

How on earth can such thinkers then be so adamant about the veracity of Maxwell's models?
The term "utter stupidity" comes to mind.
Using Somov's diagram as a reference if you have two separate circuits with their straight line segments parallel to each other than according to Michael drawing a couple a lines to connect the segments will create a loop which is a necessary physical condition for a flux surface for induction.
Imagine that an induced magic current flowing along drawn lines.:clap:
Then there is the problem the magnetic field itself cannot pass through this magic loop because the magnetic circulation around the wires is in the same plane as the magic loop.
Since magic seems to be a prerequisite here I suppose we can have a magic magnetic field which bends perpendicularly through the magic loop to define the flux.
Then we need to find a way of changing the flux to induce a current which can be accomplished by a fairy waving a magic wand.

On top of this Michael has the absolute gall of lying to Somov by claiming he studied basic electrodynamics.
Michael said:
While I did not study plasma (MHD theory) in a formal educational setting, I did study basic electrodynamics.
Anyone who thinks drawing lines forms a flux surface must have enrolled in the Harry Potter version of electrodynamics.
 
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... And yet more tripe offered as a supposed counter to 'NO NEUTRINOS':
.. Oh and apparently I've also demonstrated 'yet again that EU/PC haters have no ethics whatsoever' and I've also now apparently been grouped alongside 'a bunch of lying unethical hypocrites', (whomsoever they might be) .. as well!
Michael said:
Talbot/Thornbill said:
Michael said:
For the record, I finally got around to reading Electric Universe by Thornhill and Talbott. For anyone paying attention to historical accuracy and integrity in science, on page 70 of their book which Koberlein claimed to have used as a reference, you'll find the following statements about *their actual* beliefs about neutrino emissions from the sun, their predicted emission location, and their predicted variability as it relates to sunspot activity:
Neutrino deficiency.
Solar physicists have acknowledged for decades that the Sun’s output of neutrinos, a by-product of nuclear fusion, is about 1/3 of that expected in the standard solar model. Three types or ‘flavors’ of neutrinos have been identified, and recent attempts to solve the problem require unwarranted assumptions about neutrino ‘change of flavor’ en route from the center of the Sun. An electric Sun, however, can generate all flavors of neutrinos in heavy element synthesis at its surface. Therefore, it requires no assumptions about ‘changing flavors’ to hide the deficit.

Neutrino variability.
The neutrino output varies inversely with the surface sunspot cycle. Were they produced in the nuclear ‘furnace’ at the center of the Sun, this relationship would be inconceivable, since solar physicists calculate that it takes about 200,000 years for the energy of internal fusion to affect the surface. In the electrical model, more and larger sunspots mean less ‘lightning’ at the surface, where the nuclear reactions occur. Thus, the decline in neutrinos with increasing sunspot number is expected.
So there you have it. This is direct written evidence that Koberlein's claim about Thornhill's solar model predicting *no* neutrinos is simply wrong, way wrong, and ridiculously wrong.
I suppose this also explains Michael's crusade in propagating his junk rubbish idea about the solid, fusion dwelling solar surface. :laughing:
So as I said about 'EU/PC Solar models', in post #208 (I'm rather chuffed that I got it right):
SelfSim said:
.. and one can therefore argue that it predicts whatever one wants to say it predicts ..
.. and, as suspected, the above Talbot/Thornbill statements are only '*their actual* beliefs' (Michael's words) .. So who cares about these dudes' 'actual beliefs'? I certainly don't .. does any actual real scientist?
 
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The term "utter stupidity" comes to mind.
Using Somov's diagram as a reference if you have two separate circuits with their straight line segments parallel to each other then according to Michael drawing a couple a lines to connect the segments will create a loop which is a necessary physical condition for a flux surface for induction.
Imagine that an induced magic current flowing along drawn lines.:clap:
Then there is the problem the magnetic field itself cannot pass through this magic loop because the magnetic circulation around the wires is in the same plane as the magic loop.
Since magic seems to be a prerequisite here I suppose we can have a magic magnetic field which bends perpendicularly through the magic loop to define the flux.
Then we need to find a way of changing the flux to induce a current which can be accomplished by a fairy waving a magic wand.

On top of this Michael has the absolute gall of lying to Somov by claiming he studied basic electrodynamics.

Anyone who thinks drawing lines forms a flux surface must have enrolled in the Harry Potter version of electrodynamics.
Wow .. you did better at translating his gobbledygook model than I did! :confused: :)
How on earth can he equate (maybe) reading something on electrodynamics with actually 'studying' it in an implied 'formal educational setting' is about as inauthentic and devious as it gets .. and is simply beyond me that he would claim this in an introductory letter to a real academic, what's more .. :rolleyes: o_O
Shame on you Michael .. and you know why, too.
 
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Wow .. you did better at translating his gobbledygook model than I did! :confused: :)
How on earth can he equate (maybe) reading something on electrodynamics with actually 'studying' it in an implied 'formal educational setting' is about as inauthentic and devious as it gets .. and is simply beyond me that he would claim this in an introductory letter to a real academic, what's more .. :rolleyes: o_O
Shame on you Michael .. and you know why, too.
Evidently I made a terrible blunder.
Instead of a magic loop that I incorrectly said was coplanar with the magnetic field, Michael was referring to a magic square that is perpendicular.
Michael still needs to explain how drawing a square leads to an induced current around that square plus the fairy with the magic wand that changes the magnetic flux with time.

Perhaps the fairy has the answers along with why 1=0.5.
 
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Thought I'd leave this here. It is an email I sent to Mehmet Alpaslan, the lead author of the paper that Scott deviously, and indirectly, referenced in his 'paper'; ...
Hmm thanks for that .. 'Twill be interesting to see if Alpasian defends his actual work against the onslaught.

I simply viewed the attempt by Scott as him (as usual) imposing his own pareidolia over Alpasian's paper .. I guess I'm already becoming glazed over to Scott's deceptiveness and already making exceptions for him. Glad you drew it to our attention.

As for the excuse that Scott just happened to accidentally stumble across Lundquist's solution ... if that were so, then why hasn't he apologised for the act of publically circulating the original paper which completely ignored crediting Lundquist with the math description?
Its still plagiarism .. even if it was unwitting so he should issue a public apology. Just because the paper was issued on public websites (and not his chosen crank journal) is no excuse for committing the fraudulent act in the first place!

Apologising is a demonstration of commitment to professional ethics!

Oh .. and if Michael is so responsible as a moderator of his own Reddit thread, then he should delete the 'colourfully-languaged' intrusions about mis-spellings!
 
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From Michael on Reddit;

You linked to one other guy who never published his crap and who's references are completely unrelated to MR in a vacuum. In fact he specifically references Alfven's 'frozen in' concept related to plasma and he also has no way to express a non zero rate of "reconnection" in his drivel. Alfven was the odd man out too and he knew lots about the subject, including how to explain current sheet transactions without reconnection.

If you knew what you were talking about you'd be able to site thousands of published references that have nothing to do with plasma physics. You can't. You found exactly one published (in a for profit book) on MHD theory, and one other guy who never even tried to publish his claim. I'm not impressed.

These are the people Michael, the unqualified crank, is not impressed with;

Paul Bellan;

Caltech Applied Physics | Paul M. Bellan

Kirk T. McDonald;

Kirk T. McDonald | Dean of the Faculty

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From Michael on Reddit;



These are the people Michael, the unqualified crank, is not impressed with;

Paul Bellan;

Caltech Applied Physics | Paul M. Bellan

Kirk T. McDonald;

Kirk T. McDonald | Dean of the Faculty

:)
One of the more ridiculous comments made by Michael is that an article needs to be published to have validity.
Evidently Michael doesn't understand the role of references which provides the opportunity for anyone to assess the validity.
After all it was your investigation in Scott's reference to the Alpaslan paper that exposed Scott engaging in academic fraud; well done.
 
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I note that Michael has resumed his campaign in trying to destroy the professional reputation of Brian Koberlein this time at Reddits.

Not only is Michael using Reddits to engage in personal attacks against members in this forum to get around his current suspension, but he is now baiting members to confront Koberlein’s “dishonesty” in claiming that neutrinos do not exist in Scott’s and Thornhill’s models.
In other words Michael wants members here to carry on with his hatchet job on Koberlein which ultimately led to his suspension for one year.

My golf clubs emit neutrinos.
If anyone accepted this notion on the basis because I said so would be extremely naïve and gullible.
Yet Scott and Thornhill can make the same sweeping generalizations about their models producing neutrinos to the point of it being an afterthought.
I have yet to see anything where Scott and Thornhill explain how neutrinos are formed in their models or a whether the production rate compares to experimental values.
Since Scott and Thornhill only have to state their models produce neutrinos and nothing else indicates the very low standards these models are held to by their supporters.

The facts are that neither model can produce neutrinos which are the result of nuclear fusion.
In Scott’s model neutrinos are produced in the chromosphere and photosphere.
Nuclei must have a sufficiently high kinetic energy through high temperatures to overcome the Coulomb barrier for fusion to occur.
Using Michael’s “it can be reproduced in the laboratory” nonsense fails because plasma temperatures in Z pinch machines such as Tokamaks require plasma temperatures of up to 100 million K for fusion to occur.
These high temperatures are necessary as the Z pinch is not capable of sustaining densities that are found in the Sun’s core.
By comparison the highest temperatures in the chromosphere are around 20000K.
Where does Scott explain how Z pinch fusion can occur at such low temperatures and densities?

Then there are the other unfortunate side effects such as the Earth being burnt to a crisp and irradiated with gamma photons.

Thornhill’s model is even more ridiculous because he boldly declares anti matter doesn’t even exist and a neutrino is composed of an electron and positron which he considers is not an anti particle.
Thornhill has decided to make up his own particle which he has called a neutrino which bears absolutely no resemblance to its actual physical properties.

By having fusion at or near the surface results in the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram being completely wrong given the maximum effective temperatures achieved in stars is around 30000K.

Scott’s and Thornhill’s models would predict temperatures in the range of tens of millions K.
Koberlein was spot on by claiming neither model produces neutrinos.
 
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