Galatians Chapter 3 Parsed

[Studyman]

In the NT "the Lord" is Christ.

Paul and Jesus both teach that this same Christ watered and fed Israel.

1 Cor. 10: 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Is this not the same Christ? Is. 43: 24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. 25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. 26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

John 6: 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Is this Christ not the Same "Redeemer" who said in Isaiah, "Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified."

 

[Clare73]

Paul and Jesus both teach that this same Christ watered and fed Israel.

1 Cor. 10: 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Is this not the same Christ? Is. 43: 24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. 25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. 26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

John 6: 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Is this Christ not the Same "Redeemer" who said in Isaiah, "Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified."

Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of "Lord" to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?

Surely not. . .

 

[Davy]

Somewhat less than a Biblical demonstration of my error.

That of course is a falsehood, since I covered MUCH BIBLE SCRIPTURE in my earlier posts. Therefore, you're doing that BEARING FALSE WITNESS thing again, which reveals what you say is NOT to be trusted.

 

[Clare73]

That of course is a falsehood, since I covered MUCH BIBLE SCRIPTURE in my earlier posts. Therefore, you're doing that BEARING FALSE WITNESS thing again, which reveals what you say is NOT to be trusted.

Falls somewhat short of a Biblical demonstration of my error.

 

[Studyman]

Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of "Lord" to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?

Surely not. . .

Perhaps you might simply answer the question I asked, instead of asking a question that isn't founded on anything the Scriptures are putting forth.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

In your religion, is this the God who became a man in the person of Jesus? My question was centered around the Words of the Jesus of the Bible, that I posted, but you didn't acknowledge.

John 6: 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Clare73]

Perhaps you might simply answer the question I asked, instead of asking a question that isn't founded on anything the Scriptures are putting forth.

The answer to your question is yes, but that does not answer my question:

"Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of 'Lord' to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?"

Right, wrong or indifferent, is this not a simple yes or no answer?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

In your religion, is this the God who became a man in the person of Jesus? My question was centered around the Words of the Jesus of the Bible, that I posted, but you didn't acknowledge.

John 6: 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Studyman]

The answer to your question is yes, but that does not answer my question:

Yes what? That the man Jesus, of the Bible, was the Rock of Israel, who His God and my God "Sent"?

"Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of 'Lord' to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?"

Matt. 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Which Lord "SENT", and which Lord "WAS SENT"? This is NT usage of the Word Lord, Yes?

Right, wrong or indifferent, is this not a simple yes or no answer?

There is a world of difference between "Right" and "Wrong" and "Indifference".

 

[Mark Quayle]

Yes what? That the man Jesus, of the Bible, was the Rock of Israel, who His God and my God "Sent"?


Matt. 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Which Lord "SENT", and which Lord "WAS SENT"? This is NT usage of the Word Lord, Yes?



There is a world of difference between "Right" and "Wrong" and "Indifference".

Do you believe that Jesus is God?

 

[Studyman]

Do you believe that Jesus is God?

You answer the question I posed, and I will be glad to answer yours.

 

[Clare73]

Yes what? That the man Jesus, of the Bible, was the Rock of Israel, who His God and my God "Sent"?

The answer to your question:

"Is this Christ not the Same "Redeemer" who said in Isaiah, "Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified."

is "yes, Christ is that same 'Redeemer' " . .the same Christ as Isa 9:6-7 . . . "Mighty God" (Isa 10:21, his divine power as a warrior).

And that does not answer my question:

"Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of 'Lord' to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?"

Is this not a simple yes or no answer?

Why the equivocation?

Equivocation (refusal to clarify for me) will be taken as a "yes" answer to my question,

which then puts you in disagreement with the apostles John and Paul who testify that
the word who was with God in the beginning and was God, became flesh and dwelt among us,
was begotten (sired) of God (not made/not created) in the flesh,
who was life, (Jn 5:26),
which life was the light of men (Ps 36:9),
which light shined in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it (Jn 3:19),
the head of the body, the church (Col 1:15-20),
by whom all things were created, in heaven, on earth, visible, invisible, thrones, powers, rulers or authorities, created by him and for him,
beginning of the new creation and firstfruits of the resurrection,
in whom all the fullness of God dwells,
who made peace through his shed blood on the cross,
reconciling creation to God,
was Christ (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

And that explains the equivocation.

 

[Studyman]

The answer to your question is yes, Jesus was the Rock of Israel.

But that does not answer my question:

"Are you saying that the NT's usual usage of 'Lord' to refer to Christ means that Christ is not God?"

Is this not a simple yes or no answer?

Why the equivocation?

Equivocation (refusal to clairify for me) will be taken as a "yes" answer to my question.

I am saying nothing of mine own self, rather, I am letting the Christ of the Bible define Himself, through the Holy scriptures, which say that the Rock of Israel, Who His God and My God sent, became the man Jesus, the Lord's Christ, which is my Redeemer and Savior.

As the Scriptures I posted, but you didn't acknowledge teach, He is come to remove my transgression, and "Leadeth me in the way that I should go", to reconcile me to His Father, as HE defines as the One True God in the NT.

John 17: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And HIS Father placed Him on His Right Hand, because Jesus the man chose the Good and Refused the Evil, and is advocating between me and His Father to this day.


JOHN 17:4 KJV I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

 

[Clare73]

I am saying nothing of mine own self, rather, I am letting the Christ of the Bible define Himself, through the Holy scriptures, which say that the Rock of Israel, Who His God and My God sent, became the man Jesus, the Lord's Christ, which is my Redeemer and Savior.

Conveniently omitting the testimony of the apostle Jesus loved, John (Jn 1:1-15), and of Paul who received his revelation from Jesus personally (Gal 1:11-12) in the third heaven itself (2 Co 13:1-5), and which I repeat from post #70, above:

The word who was with God in the beginning and was God, became flesh and dwelt among us,
was begotten (sired) of God (not made/not created) in the flesh,
who was life, (Jn 5:26),
which life was the light of men (Ps 36:9),
which light shined in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it (Jn 3:19),
the head of the body, the church (Col 1:15-20),
by whom all things were created, in heaven, on earth, visible, invisible, thrones, powers, rulers or authorities, created by him and for him,
beginning of the new creation and firstfruits of the resurrection,
in whom all the fullness of God dwells,
who made peace through his shed blood on the cross,
reconciling creation to God,
was Christ (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

And that explains your equivocation regarding my question of Jesus being God.

 

[Studyman]

Conveniently omitting the testimony of the apostle Jesus loved, John, and of Paul who received his revelation from Jesus personally in heaven itself, presented in post #70, above?

"which then puts you in disagreement with the apostles John and Paul"

What you really mean is the Scriptures I posted, that you refuse to even acknowledge, disagrees with your religious interpretation of John and Paul's words. I am in no such disagreement.

"who testify that the word who was with God in the beginning and was God,".

Had you shown even the simplest decency to addressing my Question regarding "The Lord, said to my Lord", you wouldn't be promoting foolishness about me.

became flesh and dwelt among us,
was begotten (sired) of God (not made/not created) in the flesh,
who was life, (Jn 5:26),

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Yes, the Lord gave to my Lord, to have Life in Himself. No disagreement from me.

which life was the light of men (Ps 36:9),
which light shined in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it (Jn 3:19),

Yes, the Lord's Christ, the Son of God, was with God from the very beginning.

Gen.1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

the head of the body, the church (Col 1:15-20),

Yes, Abraham was part of His Church, and Noah, and Daniel, and Zacharias and Simeon. As the Prophets teach us The Rock tells all men, Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

As this Same Christ teaches "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

by whom all things were created, in heaven, on earth, visible, invisible, thrones, powers, rulers or authorities, created by him and for him,
beginning of the new creation and firstfruits of the resurrection,

Yes, the Christ, the Rock of Israel was sent to forgive our sins and show us in the way that we should go. If only we would believe Him.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, "hath sent me". 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

AS the man the Christ became, the Jesus of the Bible, also teaches His People. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

in whom all the fullness of God dwells,

Yes, God was certainly in Christ.

who made peace through his shed blood on the cross,
reconciling creation to God,
was Christ (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

As the scriptures I posted says, HE is truly my Redeemer, who became a man in the person of Jesus.

Is. 43: 25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. 26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

This is my Redeemer, my Saviour that the One True God Sent to save me.

John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And HE says "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[Clare73]

"The word was with God and the word was God. . .the word became flesh and dwelt among us." (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14)

Had you shown even the simplest decency to addressing my Question regarding "The Lord, said to my Lord", you wouldn't be promoting foolishness about me.

We both know why Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14 were not addressed by you, and what the equivocation regarding them means. . .I see no reason to continue here.

 

[expos4ever]

Studyman, it is pretty clear where you stand on the matter of Jesus's divinity. Why not simply own your position that Jesus is not divine?

 

[Mark Quayle]

You answer the question I posed, and I will be glad to answer yours.

I wasn't asked a question. But if you want a question answered, great, let me know what it was.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I am saying nothing of mine own self, rather, I am letting the Christ of the Bible define Himself, through the Holy scriptures, which say that the Rock of Israel, Who His God and My God sent, became the man Jesus, the Lord's Christ, which is my Redeemer and Savior.

Are you a prophet?

 

[Studyman]

Studyman, it is pretty clear where you stand on the matter of Jesus's divinity. Why not simply own your position that Jesus is not divine?

I don't hold such a position to "Own". I have never said such a thing, nor suggested that Jesus wasn't divine or isn't a Deity. I simply believe my Savior, my Redeemer, should be afforded the respect due to Him, to define Himself, and I have chosen to believe HIM.

I posted His Words in which HE defined Himself and the God that sent Him. The God HE Himself told me was the One True God. And now, because I posted His Own Words of Him defining who HE is, in both the Old and New Testaments, I am accused by you of denying His Divinity.

But it's OK, Jesus told me it would be this way if I believed in Him.

 

[Studyman]

"The word was with God and the word was God. . .the word became flesh and dwelt among us." (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14)

We both know why Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14 were not addressed by you, and what the equivocation regarding them means. . .I see no reason to continue here.

I don't participate in the popular religious tradition of using one verse to make others void which may not align with a particular religious sect or philosophy. The Scriptures I posted did not contradict the scriptures you posted, in my view. Only in your religion. I did address John 1:1, 14.

Gen. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

And again;

John 6: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And again;

63. 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

It appears you don't believe in this Christ. If this is the case, then yes, perhaps there is no reason to continue.

 

[Studyman]

Are you a prophet?

Goodness no. God already inspired and gave you all the Prophets you need in the Holy scriptures. I am simply posting their words.