Fundamentalism and Intellectualism

Hespera · Jul 8, 2009

jpcedotal said:
Here's the difference between the two...we got it right.

Dr. Vernon McGee:
I reject evolution because it rejects God and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

He didnt have it right that anyone thinks "evolution" does have anything to do with the origin of the universe. Picked that out at a glance. I wonder how much else he gets wrong?

I suppose he also may want to reject math, because it give a different answer for the value of Pi than the bible does. Reject it will all his being.

Oh, another thing he got wrong is that evolution does not reject god. In his version of evolution and god maybe it does.

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Hespera said:
Dr. Vernon McGee:
I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

He didnt have it right that anyone thinks "evolution" does have anything to do with the origin of the universe. Picked that out at a glance. I wonder how much else he gets wrong?

I'm not sure what the problem is here.

I don't believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe either; and I'm sure you don't as well.

J Vernon McGee was right-on.

Hespera said:
Oh, another thing he got wrong is that evolution does not reject god.

Yes it does --- unless God is a mutant --- which He is not.

atomweaver · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Is there a problem with that quote?

I don't know diddly about Evolution, but I have concluded it to be wrong.

Shall I reciprocate? I don't know diddly about your interpretation of the Bible, but I have concluded it to be wrong.

Hespera · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I'm not sure what the problem is here.

I don't believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe either; and I'm sure you don't as well.

J Vernon McGee was right-on.Yes it does --- unless God is a mutant --- which He is not.

Nobody said there was a problem.

I dont get your post.

J V McG seems to think that evolution is said to be about the origin or the universe. But then you say he is right on?

The logic of your "unless god is a mutant" makes no sense to me at least.
Please explain.

Nathan Poe · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I'm not sure what the problem is here.

I don't believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe either; and I'm sure you don't as well.

J Vernon McGee was right-on.

Except that Mr. McGee does believe evolution tries to answer the origin of the universe -- and you seem to think he's right.

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
Except that Mr. McGee does believe evolution tries to answer the origin of the universe...

I must have missed that somewhere in Hespera's post.

Please highlight it red for me?

Hespera said:
Dr. Vernon McGee:
I reject evolution because it rejects God and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Nathan Poe · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I must have missed that somewhere in Hespera's post.

Please highlight it red for me?

Hespera said:
Dr. Vernon McGee:
I reject evolution because it rejects God and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Among Mr. McGee's other mistakes, he rejects evolution because he doesn't think it answers the origin of the universe. Were he educated on the topic, he'd know that evolution is the answer to the diversity of life, and nothing more.

I reject the Bible because it fails to make a decent cappuccino -- how much sense does that make?

Hespera · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I must have missed that somewhere in Hespera's post.

Please highlight it red for me?

I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Its true, we dont know why he said this. "It" may not be about or refer in any way to evolution, or what he believes about anything in paraticular.

Possibly it was just a stray remark and could as well been "I dont believe it is a sewing machine repair manual" or "I dont believe it is the answer to whether vanilla ice cream is as good as chocolate". This would call for more study than it could possibly be worth.

Perhaps Av could tell us what it means?

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
Among Mr. McGee's other mistakes, he rejects evolution because he doesn't think it answers the origin of the universe. Were he educated on the topic, he'd know that evolution is the answer to the diversity of life, and nothing more.

I reject the Bible because it fails to make a decent cappuccino -- how much sense does that make?

I, AV1611VET, do not believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Am I wrong?

If not, how do you justify saying J Vernon McGee is wrong, and I'm not?

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Hespera said:
I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Its true, we dont know why he said this. "It" may not be about or refer in any way to evolution, or what he believes about anything in paraticular.

Possibly it was just a stray remark and could as well been "I dont believe it is a sewing machine repair manual" or "I dont believe it is the answer to whether vanilla ice cream is as good as chocolate". This would call for more study than it could possibly be worth.

Perhaps Av could tell us what it means?

I assume by "it", he meant "evolution" --- the same thing you're assuming.

Skaloop · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I, AV1611VET, do not believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Am I wrong?

If not, how do you justify saying J Vernon McGee is wrong, and I'm not?

Because in the context of his entire quote, he's implying that evolution attempts to answer questions regarding the origin of the universe, when in fact it does not, and that is part of why he rejects it.

Yes, taking the single sentence, as you have written it about yourself, it is correct, and I agree with it.

But that is clearly not Mr. McGee's intended meaning.

Nathan Poe · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I, AV1611VET, do not believe evolution is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Am I wrong?

I, Nathan Poe, do not believe evolution is the answer to the origin of the Universe.

If not, how do you justify saying J Vernon McGee is wrong, and I'm not?

Because what you said is a conclusion -- what McGee said is a premise. He rejects evolution because it is not the answer to the origin of the universe.

I still reject the Bible because it cannot make cappuccino.

Hespera · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
I assume by "it", he meant "evolution" --- the same thing you're assuming.

So I guess its just a stray remark, like if I said "I dont believe the church contains a secret flying saucer alien base"; it in no way implies that anyone else believes such a thing either.

Ok so he isnt "wrong" about that, just being a bit weird. He is wrong about everything else there tho.

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Skaloop said:
Because in the context of his entire quote, he's implying that evolution attempts to answer questions regarding the origin of the universe, when in fact it does not, and that is part of why he rejects it.

Fine --- let me, in agreement with him, say the same thing:

I, AV, reject evolution because it rejects God, and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Hespera said:
He is wrong about everything else there tho.

I could not agree with him more that evolution rejects revelation (i.e., the [entire] Bible).

Skaloop · Jul 8, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Fine --- let me, in agreement with him, say the same thing:

I, AV, reject evolution because it rejects God, and it rejects revelation. It denies the fall of man and the fact of sin, and it opposes the virgin birth of Christ. Therefore, I reject it with all my being. I do not believe that it is the answer to the origin of this universe.

Fine. It just makes as little sense as Nathan Poe rejecting the Bible because it can't make a good cappuccino.

ETA: Actually, the part about rejecting evolution because it rejects God and revelation and the fall and sin; that all makes a bit of sense, even if it's not entirely accurate. It's the origin of the universe part that is nonsense in regards to evolution. Just wanted to clarify that.

Hespera · Jul 8, 2009

Skaloop said:
Fine. It just makes as little sense as Nathan Poe rejecting the Bible because it can't make a good cappuccino.

I cant get mine to do anything.

AV1611VET · Jul 8, 2009

Skaloop said:
Fine. It just makes as little sense as Nathan Poe rejecting the Bible because it can't make a good cappuccino.

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject Leprechauns --- okay, that's a bad example --- let's try something else.

I reject evolution for the same reason I reject panspermia: it simply didn't happen.

To put it cutesy, I'm an atheist when it comes to evolution.

To put it another way, there's nothing to reject --- it didn't happen.

jpcedotal · Jul 8, 2009

More from Dr. Vernon McGee:

My friend, in the midst of all the unbelief, the blasphemy, and the hostility toward God which is around us today, the greatest thing you can do as a human being is to publicly choose the Lord Jesus Christ. To believe in God the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ, is the most glorious privilege that you and I have. We hear a lot of talk about freedom of speech and freedom of every sort, but this poor crowd around us who talks so loudly of freedom doesn't seem to know what freedom really is. We have real freedom when we choose Jesus Christ as our Savior.

jpcedotal · Jul 8, 2009

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