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Two things I'd like to bring out here:Here's a copy of atheist doctrine:
There's probably no god(s).
"Doctrine" --- from Answers.com:Their is NO doctrine.
You can claim it's not a doctrine all you want --- I'm really not interested.A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
[deleted]The truest thing you've ever said.
What you're describing here is strong atheism. The dogmatic belief that there is definitely no God. I am not aware of anyone on these boards, except maybe consol, who actually holds the belief that God definitely doesn't exist. The rest of us are regular atheists and agnostics... we don't buy any absolute supernatural claims, negative or positive."Doctrine" --- from Answers.com:You can claim it's not a doctrine all you want --- I'm really not interested.
After all --- you guys claim God doesn't exist, either --- not to mention a worldwide flood never happening, etc.
I'm well-aware of you guys' penchants for claiming things don't exist.
This could equally well describe agnostics. Therefore it would seem that there is a further necessary condition to atheism. And that necessary condition is a belief.
Atheists believe there is no God. And this could be regarded as a doctrine of atheism, since it is a belief that they are happy to expound upon, and to explain to others. We could even postulate other doctrines, such as the fact that morality is not a function of religion, but of humanity. Certainly this is often the basis for atheist complaints about believers, and the malign influence of religion.
No --- I don't.get it now?
Like I said, it goes beyond believing God doesn't exist:Saying that god doesn't exist and lacking a belief in god are 2 different things.
an atheist lacks a belief in god, this has nothing to do with claiming god doesn't exist.
But atheism is strictly lack of belief in a god. Since this is not a positive statement its pretty hard to say atheists have a doctrine based non belief. I mean you don't make claims that people have doctrines if they lack belief in the tooth fairy right?
1. No, actually, it is not, unless abiogenesis means that nobody is ever born through biological processes.Two things I'd like to bring out here:
- Saying 'atheism' means there's probably no god(s) is like saying 'abiogenesis' means there's probably no biogenesis(es).
- Atheist Doctrine is more than just a singe-line statement of faith, it's a whole way of thinking. For example, are we born atheists? Some of you say, 'yes'; some of you say, 'no'.
It's a lack of belief in God, so it's going to be a lack of belief in claims about him too...Like I said, it goes beyond believing God doesn't exist:
- No global flood.
- No parting of the Red Sea.
- No virgin birth.
- No walking on water.
- No resurrection.
- No verbal plenary inspiration, preservation, etc.
- No ex nihilo creation.
You can claim it's not a doctrine all you want --- I'm really not interested.Doctrine" --- from Answers.com:
but claiming god doesn't exist has nothing to do with the definition of atheist, so it really has nothing to do with the doctrine your making up for us. some atheists though may make the claim that god doesn't exist this has nothing to do with the definition of atheist which you are misusing and abusing.After all --- you guys claim God doesn't exist,
And i am well aware of you grossly misusing definitions, and you cant seem to understand the deference between belief and lack of belief. or you just don't want to.I'm well-aware of you guys' penchants for claiming things don't exist.
It does not go "beyond"... all you listed is simply a consequence of that basic (dis)belief.Like I said, it goes beyond believing God doesn't exist:
- No global flood.
- No parting of the Red Sea.
- No virgin birth.
- No walking on water.
- No resurrection.
- No verbal plenary inspiration, preservation, etc.
- No ex nihilo creation.
Like I said, Gaara, I don't think like an atheist thinks, so you can spend the next several hours trying to educate me on what an atheist thinks or doesn't think, and it's not going to help. Especially since ten minutes won't pass without an atheist somewhere saying something different.It's a lack of belief in God, so it's going to be a lack of belief in claims about him too...
Then for the love of Christ please don't try to tell us what we think or don't think. Not everyone likes being told what to think.Like I said, Gaara, I don't think like an atheist thinks, so you can spend the next several hours trying to educate me on what an atheist thinks or doesn't think, and it's not going to help. Especially since ten minutes won't pass without an atheist somewhere saying something different.
We don't even know what you're talking about when you say "atheist doctrine." Point taken on the magic thing, but really, you may as well be asking for Odysseus's diary when you ask for atheist doctrine. It's not like we have a book that we all believe but we call it a "sacred journal" not "doctrine." We all have our own personal beliefs... so why not ask for those? That's what you're after anyway.If the word 'doctrine' bugs you guys that much, simply change it to something else in your minds, and move on to the point that's being made.
I have to put up with you guys using the word 'magic', instead of miracles; now I have to put up with you guys whining I'm calling it 'doctrine' instead of [whatever].
Mamma mia.
If you think for one minute I'm going to believe that, then please sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.We don't even know what you're talking about when you say "atheist doctrine."
Like I said, Gaara, I don't think like an atheist thinks, so you can spend the next several hours trying to educate me on what an atheist thinks or doesn't think, and it's not going to help.
Especially since ten minutes won't pass without an atheist somewhere saying something different.
If the word 'doctrine' bugs you guys that much, simply change it to something else in your minds, and move on to the point that's being made.
I have to put up with you guys using the word 'magic', instead of miracles; now I have to put up with you guys whining I'm calling it 'doctrine' instead of [whatever].
Mamma mia.
If you think for one minute I'm going to believe that, then please sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.
You guys think just because you're atheists, you're immune to worship, idolatry, and doctrine; and the Bible says otherwise.
Acting like you don't know what I'm talking about when I use the term 'Atheist doctrine' is, imo, being a little ... well ... naive?
I have to put up with you guys using the word 'magic', instead of miracles; now I have to put up with you guys whining I'm calling it 'doctrine' instead of [whatever].
Mamma mia.
adj.
- Of, relating to, or invoking the supernatural: stubborn unlaid ghost/That breaks his magic chains at curfew time (John Milton).
- Possessing distinctive qualities that produce unaccountable or baffling effects.
and the bible also says that black people were cursed to be slaves (or that being black was the mark of the curse). Or rather that's what Christians said 200 years ago.You guys think just because you're atheists, you're immune to worship, idolatry, and doctrine; and the Bible says otherwise.
Acting like you don't know what I'm talking about when I use the term 'Atheist doctrine' is, imo, being a little ... well ... naive?
Like I said, Gaara, I don't think like an atheist thinks
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