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I'm sure they are aware of the various forms of love.I cannot provide Scripture yet because I don't understand greek, but I trust Bill Bright and ChaliceThunder also recognizes that there are more than one definition for love in greek.
- Rob
Yes, which is why I included the teachings of Jesus as one of my sources of understanding.Are you not a follower of Jesus?
There are other sources of information about Jesus than the 4 Gospels in the Bible.sorry, I don't think you can separate the source of information from Jesus, and claim to follow him. Just my take on the matter.
In my opinion (and that is all it is, not some creedal standpoint you need condemn, you can be mad at just me) the religion you have chosen, is one that basically conforms, changes, and warps to fit whatever it is you want to do.
Thank you for your concern, but I disagree with you. I do use the Bible as a source, but not as the word of God. I do not believe the Bible is the word of God. The Bible is an interesting historical source, written by fallible human beings. It must be read like any historical source and analyzed carefully and with critical thinking.I use to be like that: a person who believed they were Christian but didn't use the bible as my source of information. Ironic, wasn't it? In fact, I turned to world philosophies to explain who God was. I turned to New Age philosophies in an effort to find out who God really was. I got into astrology, out-of-body-experiences, reincarnation, psykic abilities, the whole works---even mediumship. I thank God I didn't get into witchcraft.
I was like you, seeking knowledge from every source, except the bible.
Ohioprof, if you don't rely on the Word of God and the Scriptures alone, your going to go spiritually hungry and if you don't hide the word within your heart, it will destroy you. You must worship in Spirit and Truth. You must walk according to the Spirit, in love, loving God and others unconditionally and have faith that God sent his only begotten Son to die for your sins and that Jesus came in the flesh and is the Son of God and focus on building a relationship with God.
ah... I see.There are other sources of information about Jesus than the 4 Gospels in the Bible.
No. I read the work of scholars who have tried to discern what Jesus actually said. The Jesus Seminar scholars have done great work in this area.ah... I see.
so, you pick and choose what Christ "really" said.
ah, yes, the Jesus Seminars. Modern day scholars telling us what Jesus did or did not do, or said or did not say.No. I read the work of scholars who have tried to discern what Jesus actually said. The Jesus Seminar scholars have done great work in this area.
Yes. Their research is thorough. They don't know for certain all of what Jesus said or did not say, because we don't have the sources to provide a complete picture. But they do a careful and thorough job of analyzing the sources that we do have.ah, yes, the Jesus Seminars. Modern day scholars telling us what Jesus did or did not do, or said or did not say.
you buy that stuff?
You talk about a historical record yet in the remainder of your post you claim it is something differentWeak. Using a historical record of someone to ascertain your beliefs about someone is not worshiping the book. That's a red herring that's been out in the sun too long, the smell is pretty thick.
Such a witty and well reasoned response. I can see I am dealing with a seasoned and experienced debater.horse droppings.
do you shave?There is much in the bible that if I were to look for my own way on the matter, I would "interpret differently." God has laid some groundwork that my selfish self would prefer he didn't. I don't pretend that the text doesn't say what it doesn't say, or ignore what it DOES say, in favor of doing whatever my corrupt little heart desires.
All of this is irrelevant though... if your religion doesn't ascribe to the bible, your interpretation of it is moot.
My church teaches that lying, even lying about homosexuality, is a sinBTW, you sport a Catholic Icon, you DO know what your church teaches on the matter, hmm?
There is more than one greek word for love.
According to Bill Bright's book, "The Secret,"
Love
p.86-88 Chapter Seven
"Is there someone at work, or in your church or neighborhood, whom you have trouble loving?
Our Lord Jesus gave love the highest priority. "I am giving you a new commandment to you now --- love each other as much as I love you," He instructed the disciples in John 13:34. The apostle Paul carried on the Master's teaching by writing, "For the whole Law can be summed up in this one command: 'Love others as you love yourself'" (Galatians 5:14)
In the time of Jesus and Paul, there were three Greek words which we now translate into our English word "love:" Eros, phileo, and agape.
Eros suggests sensual titillation; it conveys the idea that "I love you because you excite my sexual desires." We get our modern term erotic from this Greek word.
Phileo is used to depict the love between friends or relatives. It suggests that "I love you because our friendship or family ties make you deserve to be loved."
Agape is God's supernatural, unconditional love ---the love He showed an undeserving world when He sent his Son to die on the cross for our sins. Agape is love because of the inner character of the person who is doing the loving, rather than because the object of that devotion is worthy. It is often "in spite of" rather than love "because." Agape says, "I love you unconditionally---in spite of your sin or your attitude, or regardless of whether you love me."
Does this relate to anything?So according to your "ex" theory, an ex-wife or ex-husband was never really married because you obviously think no one can be an ex anything.
what you have said is that you are not a heterosexual. And I believe youI do believe no matter what I say i will never convince the OP because they choose not to be. They posted a question and refuse the answer or explanations.
Please say you dont really believe homosexuality is cause by being posses by evil spiritsAgain and again the quote about my dreams appear but never my explanation of them. THEY ARE A SPIRITUAL ATTACK.
Thats nice. But it has nothing to do with your sexual orientationSo to be clear: I WILL NEVER AGAIN ENTER INTO A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
Im sure no one cares. And again it has nothing to do with your sexual orientationEVEN IF I WERE TO DIVORCE OR BECOME A WIDOW. I WILL NEVER AGAIN HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. I WILL ONLY DATE AND REMARRY A MAN.
Just not your sexual orientationCHRIST CHANGED MY LIFE.
you never answered my original questions:God bless you all. Anymore questions or statements can be PM to me.
So the answer is no you cannot provide scriptural support for your claims.I don't understand greek language at the moment and I can't read directly from a greek bible except from a lexicon, but I believe that God distinguishes between kinds of love that are moral and immoral. For example, love for money is a sin. One cannot idolize wealth and God at the same time.
I am someone who believes that God wants us to love others unconditionally in agape, which is in my current beliefs, something that is far from being sexual. For example,
If my friend Amy Chow even if she hates me, that is agape.
If I love my brother Dan even if he hates me, that is agape.
If I love Amy Chow, who is my girlfriend, even if she wants to divorce me, (I will mourn and be sad), that would still be agape.
If I love Amy Chow even if she is my girlfriend and I have sexual relations, because of the fact that I love her unconditionally no matter what she does, this is agape.
So, it doesn't matter is Amy Chow is my friend, my girlfriend, friend, enemy, or even a relative, what matters is that I love her unconditionally regardless. This is why I believe a lot of us confuse agape with eros and phileo. This is a new conclusion I have come to believe in since last week and the last few days.
Honestly, I lack agape. At times people upset me and I feel like I don't want to forgive them and at times I forgive people but don't love people unconditionally like I should. Most of the time, I tend to mistake agape with phileo. Go figure.
But certainly, if I love my girlfriend because of sexuality and because of her attractiveness, and anything along the lines of physical appeal and something she does for me or a quality I like about her, I do not believe this is agape.
*holds up a mirror*ah... I see.
so, you pick and choose what Christ "really" said.
pardon?You talk about a historical record yet in the remainder of your post you claim it is something different
hey, if it looks like horse droppings, and smells like horse droppings....Such a witty and well reasoned response. I can see I am dealing with a seasoned and experienced debater.
/sarcasm off
your list makes little sense.do you shave?
Murder rape victims?
Wear a wedding ring?
Refuse to let people with glasses enter your church?
Or are these things your corrupt heart prefers to ignore?
Or is the religion you have chosen, is one that basically conforms, changes, and warps to fit whatever it is you want to do?
again, horse droppings. if you keep dropping them, I'll be forced to point them out.Leaving aside the issues of interpretation and personalization
As noted not a historical record but an object to worship.
My church teaches that lying, even lying about homosexuality, is a sin
uh huh. I notice you didn't write what they teach about homosexuality.My church also teaches that you shouldnt put a book before God
pardon?
hey, if it looks like horse droppings, and smells like horse droppings....
your list makes little sense.
no, my religion does not warp to my preferences. If I am to believe Christ, then I am forced to come to grips with some of my preferences being sinful. what wearing a wedding ring has to do with it is beyond me. Perhaps your genius escapes me.
again, horse droppings. if you keep dropping them, I'll be forced to point them out.
uh huh. I notice you didn't write what they teach about homosexuality.
in this instance, I was asking the Catholic.My church is a Welcoming Congregation. We welcome gay people as we are. We recognize same-sex marriages, and our minister performs same-sex unions. Our minister is gay.
Our wider church association stands in favor of same-sex marriage.
I know. I answered your question anyway, about my church.in this instance, I was asking the Catholic.
Just because you cannot formulate an actual response is no reason be nastycute.
worthless.
I already answered that accusation.Just because you cannot formulate an actual response is no reason be nasty
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