Full Scale War between Isreal and Hamas has broken out in the Gaza Strip.

[karen freeinchristman]

Coming from someone who lives in Israel, I would be careful with saying "Full scale war". This is not a full-scale war YET! But keep praying.
We are definitely in the early stages of war with Lebanon/Syria.

If this does escalate, then it could affect us all, drawing in the US, Britain, and more of the middle-east.

 

[Eye]

Just food for thought, Israel is strategically attacking with bombers. They have the technology and the power to level the entire region, if they so choose.

The way they are going about it is more "humaine"(sp?) then terrorists randomly blowing up buildings and people. This is a "warning". They can definately finish this "war" today.

I don't understand the whole conflict myself. Other than there has been fighting there for 1,000s of years.

I worry and pray. My husband befriended some of those Israeli pilots. Went out to dinner w/ them, exchanged emails. It makes a huge difference when you break it down to the fact that these are people. Humanbeings that are fighting for their country.

My husband himself is ready to die for his country. Military people have a totally different frame of mind then civilians. I worry. But I have to leave all this in God's hands.

 

[Eye]

If this does escalate, then it could affect us all, drawing in the US, Britain, and more of the middle-east.

Honestly? I really think it might.

 

[Torah]

"Threatswatch.org" is a lopsided website whose articled are entirely, if you look, about the victories and just cause of Israelis and Americans and the failures and treacheries of Muslims.

You won't find one single credible news source (Fox, CNN, BBC, anyone) with the dubious, suspect claim that the family on the beach was killed by a land mine.

Morever, if you actually bother to THINK about it, this lie is completely ridiculous. One mine killed SEVEN people? Did they all step on the mine at the same time? Did they happen to step on a mine while having a group hug? Or did they step on seven different mines? And the fact that the Israelis indeed WERE shelling the beach (by their admission) at the same time was just a goofy coincidence?

A former Pentagon analyst who worked in the Balkans (lots of mines there) investigated the scene and concluded it was also a shelling and that calling it a mine is also a stretch.





So:



1. No credible news agencies have reported this "finding," although you will find it on a lot of propagandistic websites.
2. The Israeli government is not pressing this explanation... if it was, you would've seen it on the front page of BBC and CNN as the Israseli government sought to explain that the family's tragic death was not it's own fault. This alibi is so unbelievable that the government is not sharing it with the world, and that is why this "investigation" is showing up on lopsided, right wing propgandistic journals but not respectable news outlets. Not even Fox.
3. The alibi doesn't make any sense. The injuries were compliant with a shelling attack, shrapnel was from Israeli howitzer shells, and to ask us to believe a mine went off and incredibly killed 7 people at the same time while the Israelis were bombing the beach is a long stretch.

It amuses me how eager some people here are to make sure everyone knows "the Palestinians" started it and it's their fault, even so much as to claim Israeli soldiers were kidnapped before the family on the beach was shelled (untrue) and to say that, actually, it was a Palestinian mine that did it.

Rather than being so eager to lay blame for the cause of all this, we should acknowledge that for the most part, there are no clear cut good guys or bad guys in this conflict. Peace, not blame, should be our concern. This conflict is not started by any one party, it's part of a conflict has been raging for over half a century.

One mine killed SEVEN people? Did they all step on the mine at the same time? Did they happen to step on a mine while having a group hug? Or did they step on seven different mines?[/quote]

Some information about mines. Mines do not just blow straight up killing one person. Mines are design to kill as many people as they can, with a killing radius of 30 yards around the mine. Some mines bounce up in the air before they go off, some mines are the size of a small match box and are frozen when dropped from the air and when they thaw out they become armed.

Israel shelling at rocket crews firing rockets into Israel.
Shelling and area is design to take out just the enemy. shelling at your area. Israel has the technology that when rockets or artillery shells are fired into Israel a computer raider picks up the projectile coming in and calculates the arch and distance that it traveled. The computer will spit out the information of the exact spot that the rockets were fired from. Now! The Israel artillery unit will set there guns to blanket the area with shells and fire, taking out the rocket crew that fired rockets into Israel. Here is what the news doesn’t report. The rocket crews will set up and fire there rockets from School yards, beaches, apartment complex, & hospitals. So the world cries out that Israel is shelling School yards, beaches, apartment complex, & hospitals. SO! To comply with the world outcry this is what Israel does. The Israel artillery unit first loads tracer shells that do nothing more then smoke to make sure [for the world] that they are shelling the correct area. This can take up to 3min. And by that time the rocket crews that fired the rockets have packed up and are gone.

 

[geocajun]

Israel shelling at rocket crews firing rockets into Israel.
Shelling and area is design to take out just the enemy. shelling at your area. Israel has the technology that when rockets or artillery shells are fired into Israel a computer raider picks up the projectile coming in and calculates the arch and distance that it traveled. The computer will spit out the information of the exact spot that the rockets were fired from. Now! The Israel artillery unit will set there guns to blanket the area with shells and fire, taking out the rocket crew that fired rockets into Israel. Here is what the news doesn’t report. The rocket crews will set up and fire there rockets from School yards, beaches, apartment complex, & hospitals. So the world cries out that Israel is shelling School yards, beaches, apartment complex, & hospitals. SO! To comply with the world outcry this is what Israel does. The Israel artillery unit first loads tracer shells that do nothing more then smoke to make sure [for the world] that they are shelling the correct area. This can take up to 3min. And by that time the rocket crews that fired the rockets have packed up and are gone.

Then why bother shooting up the area at all, if all you're going to kill is innocent people?

 

[geocajun]

Just food for thought, Israel is strategically attacking with bombers. They have the technology and the power to level the entire region, if they so choose.

The way they are going about it is more "humaine"(sp?) then terrorists randomly blowing up buildings and people. This is a "warning". They can definately finish this "war" today.

I don't understand the whole conflict myself. Other than there has been fighting there for 1,000s of years.

I worry and pray. My husband befriended some of those Israeli pilots. Went out to dinner w/ them, exchanged emails. It makes a huge difference when you break it down to the fact that these are people. Humanbeings that are fighting for their country.

My husband himself is ready to die for his country. Military people have a totally different frame of mind then civilians. I worry. But I have to leave all this in God's hands.

Strange the USA isn't more applauded for the humane way we've attacked Iraq considering we have the technology to "end that war (and all war) today."

 

[WordofGod]

Strange the USA isn't more applauded for the humane way we've attacked Iraq considering we have the technology to "end that war (and all war) today."

Perhaps certain things are overlooked since it is in the nature of a democracy to CARE for PEOPLE and in the nature of Terrorists to be belligerent were innocent PEOPLE are concerned.

 

[poppinskw]

"Threatswatch.org" is a lopsided website whose articled are entirely, if you look, about the victories and just cause of Israelis and Americans and the failures and treacheries of Muslims.

You won't find one single credible news source (Fox, CNN, BBC, anyone) with the dubious, suspect claim that the family on the beach was killed by a land mine.

Morever, if you actually bother to THINK about it, this lie is completely ridiculous. One mine killed SEVEN people? Did they all step on the mine at the same time? Did they happen to step on a mine while having a group hug? Or did they step on seven different mines? And the fact that the Israelis indeed WERE shelling the beach (by their admission) at the same time was just a goofy coincidence?

A former Pentagon analyst who worked in the Balkans (lots of mines there) investigated the scene and concluded it was also a shelling and that calling it a mine is also a stretch.





So:



1. No credible news agencies have reported this "finding," although you will find it on a lot of propagandistic websites.
2. The Israeli government is not pressing this explanation... if it was, you would've seen it on the front page of BBC and CNN as the Israseli government sought to explain that the family's tragic death was not it's own fault. This alibi is so unbelievable that the government is not sharing it with the world, and that is why this "investigation" is showing up on lopsided, right wing propgandistic journals but not respectable news outlets. Not even Fox.
3. The alibi doesn't make any sense. The injuries were compliant with a shelling attack, shrapnel was from Israeli howitzer shells, and to ask us to believe a mine went off and incredibly killed 7 people at the same time while the Israelis were bombing the beach is a long stretch.

It amuses me how eager some people here are to make sure everyone knows "the Palestinians" started it and it's their fault, even so much as to claim Israeli soldiers were kidnapped before the family on the beach was shelled (untrue) and to say that, actually, it was a Palestinian mine that did it.

Rather than being so eager to lay blame for the cause of all this, we should acknowledge that for the most part, there are no clear cut good guys or bad guys in this conflict. Peace, not blame, should be our concern. This conflict is not started by any one party, it's part of a conflict has been raging for over half a century.

Actually I was not blaming anyone just stating a fact that I had seen on the news... The first time I heard this news about the land mines was NOT from this site I quoted, but on the tv news itself. I only used that site because it quoted the same information as I had heard previously. When there are innocent lives lost and war, it matters not who is to blame, it just matters that there is no peace there.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Les

 

[Torah]

Then why bother shooting up the area at all, if all you're going to kill is innocent people?

What they should not shoot back at all?
then people would and do, protest that Israel doesn’t do all they can to make sure they shell the right area. And because some times there quicker than the rocket crews. And it keeps them from just settling in shooting as they pleas.

 

[geocajun]

What they should not shoot back at all?
then people would and do, protest that Israel doesn’t do all they can to make sure they shell the right area. And because some times there quicker than the rocket crews. And it keeps them from just settling in shooting as they pleas.

I think you missed the essence of my question - i'll try again.

If Israel will only kill innocent people by shooting back - why shoot back? Is that very action not the direct and intentional murder of innocent people?

 

[WordofGod]

What they should not shoot back at all?
then people would and do, protest that Israel doesn’t do all they can to make sure they shell the right area. And because some times there quicker than the rocket crews. And it keeps them from just settling in shooting as they pleas.

Self defence is good against those enemies that are attacking you but what was the profit for Israel to bomb the Lebanon Airport and a few other non-direct threats.
Like the electric company?



I believe the escalation is exactly what Hezballah wants in order to draw in others to support them.

 

[PetertheRock]

This is more of a reply to a post in the other locked topic on this subject but someone called the terrorists "freedom fighters."

Well just think of this...if firefighter fight fire and crime fighters fight crime...what do freedom fighters fight?

 

[bostonlass]

Two words.

Northern........Ireland

OOOOH no you didn't!

 

[bostonlass]

My husband just returned from Israel over a month ago. He told me the bombing started while he was there. This has been going on for awhile. Reminds me of children fighting...

They have certainly scaled up a bit.. (that's sarcasm for sure!). Maybe I'm selfish, but I'm so glad my husband is NO LONGER there. sigh.

Oh honey!!!!



Lock that man up and throw away the key so he doesn't go back!!!!

 

[WordofGod]

Evidence is arising that Iranian Guards that are located in Lebanon helped Hezbollah launch a radar, Chinese developed missile, that was made in Iran, at a Israel ship.

 

[CuriousityKilledThe]

Evidence is arising that Iranian Guards that are located in Lebanon helped Hezbollah launch a radar, Chinese developed missile, that was made in Iran, at a Israel ship.

Well, I don't find this surprising at all. Full scale war is being waged against Lebanon and I think it's natural for Lebanon, which is obviously the weaker country militarily, to try to piece together some sort of counter attack.

I really don't think it's relevant where the weapons Lebanon uses to defend itself were made or developed. Need I remind us all of the other side of the coin, that most of the bombs, rockets, and airplanes the Israelis are using to destroy Lebanon's military and political infrastructure (and a kill a few civilians as well) are American made, American developed, and that the Israeli pilots and operators were probably trained by Americans or trained by an Israeli trained by an American.

 

[SpoiltMonk]

Lebanon is not the enemy in this conflict. It is an unfortunate bystander who is getting caught up in the struggle.

The enemy here is Hamas and Hezbollah, both of whom have been camping out in Lebanon.

Lebanon is too fractured, and unfortunately, I think they listen too much to Damascus as well...

But I'm no expert.

I think there is a lot more here than meets the eye. Israel has put the hammer down after a long series of "offenses", perceived or real.

I can't really blame Israel for her response, but at the same time I am truly dsorry for the death and destruction her decision to respond will bring about.

I am bothered by the Vatican's assumption that Israel is the wicked aggressor here. It's too easy and smacks of bias.

 

[geocajun]

I am bothered by the Vatican's assumption that Israel is the wicked aggressor here. It's too easy and smacks of bias.

Assumption? Bias?
I think you're assuming the Vatican is out of touch with the situation. I think it's safe the say the Vatican knows more about it than you do.

 

[geocajun]

The Vatican didn't even recognize Israel as a state until 1993.

Why do you think that was?

My guess is because thats the year Israel and the PLO signed the declaration of principals which formalized the institution of Israel to the folks the land was sectioned away from?

 

[SpoiltMonk]

I edited my last post because I have just learned that we are not to debate here. I apologize for causing any problems and will finish my remarks by simply saying that I will join you all in prayer for the swift coming of a lasting peace to the whole region.