From what law did Paul set us free?

[Gary K]

Okay, one day God spoke to Abraham face to face and said, Never sacrifice your children to me.

And then as you read the scriptures, on a different day God spoke to Abraham face to face and said, Sacrifice one of your children to me? Is that how you're reading the scriptures?

Yes. That's exact;y what the Bible says.

Do you imagine you've set some sort of trap for me?

 

[Leaf473]

Yes. That's exact;y what the Bible says.

Do you imagine you've set some sort of trap for me?

No, I don't think I've set a trap for you.

If the faith of Abraham is to believe in a God who contradicts himself, then No, I don't have the faith of Abraham.

 

[Gary K]

No, I don't think I've set a trap for you.

If the faith of Abraham is to believe in a God who contradicts himself, then No, I don't have the faith of Abraham.

Did God allow him to follow through with offering Isaac for a sacrifice?

It's too bad you will reject scripture that you don't like. Once we start doing that it's a long trail to the bottom of the mountsain. sparow most likely started out with something like this. Now he rejects the entire book of Hebrews. This is what the devil likes to do. He finds some point that we just don't like and then leads us farther and farther away from God.

I've seen it before. I used to post on a site that a guy did who rejected the idea that Job was a righteous man. He insisted that Job was self righteous. The last I saw of his posts he no longer believed in the substitutionary death of Christ. He believed that we were all in Christ;s loins and died on the cross with Him. Thus we paid the penalty for our own sins. That's the most extreme example but I've seen others who hadn't gone that far yet but I haven't seen their posts for years. And I had a friend I went to high school with who became convinced of a point of doctrine that contradicted the Bible. He ended up leaving the church. He became so adamant that when I asked him if he would like to listen to one of my sermons he flat out refused. He wouldn't even do it as a favor to me even though we'd been friends for 20 years by that time. His entire character changed due to his change of beliefs. It is really sad. We've lost all we had in common.

 

[Leaf473]

Did God allow him to follow through with offering Isaac for a sacrifice?

No.

It's too bad you will reject scripture that you don't like.

I don't reject scripture I don't like

Once we start doing that it's a long trail to the bottom of the mountsain. sparow most likely started out with something like this. Now he rejects the entire book of Hebrews. This is what the devil likes to do. He finds some point that we just don't like and then leads us farther and farther away from God.

I've seen it before. I used to post on a site that a a guy did who rejected the idea that Job was a righteous man. He insisted that Job was self righteous. The last I saw of his posts he no longer believed in the substitutionary death of Christ. He believed that we were all in Christ;s loins and died on the cross with Him. Thus we paid the penalty for our own sins. That's the most extreme example but I've seen others who hadn't gone that far yet but I haven't seen their posts for years. And I had a friend I webt to high schoolwith who became convinced of a point of doctrine that contradicted the Bible. He ended up leaving the church. He became so adamant that when I asked him if he would like to listen to one of my sermons he flat out refused. He wouldn't even do it as a favor to me even though we'd been friends for 20 years by that time. His entire character changed due to his change of beliefs. It is really sad. We've lost all we had in common.

 

[Gary K]

No.


I don't reject scripture I don't like

In actuality you do when you say you don;t have the faith of Abraham any more. Your understanding when you said that meant you rejected the clear reading of scripture. Sorry to have to point it out to you but I don't want you to miss out on heaven.

 

[Leaf473]

In actuality you do when you say you don;t have the faith of Abraham any more. Your understanding when you said that meant you rejected the clear reading of scripture. Sorry to have to point it out to you but I don't want you to miss out on heaven.

It's not the clear reading of scripture, it's your interpretation.

That is, unless you posted the scripture passage that states:
God spoke with Abraham face to face
And at that time communicated all of his commandments to him.

Did you post that and I missed it?

 

[Gary K]

It's not the clear reading of scripture, it's your interpretation.

That is, unless you posted the scripture passage that states:
God spoke with Abraham face to face
And at that time communicated all of his commandments to him.

Did you post that and I missed it?

Sorry, but I am amused by this comment of yours. Apparently common sense has gone out the window.. You don't believe your wife, if you're married. knows who you are, what you think, your beliefs and how you think both of you should live. I have to say, if you're married, you have the shallowest marriage I've ever heard of.

 

[Leaf473]

Sorry, but I am amused by this comment of yours. Apparently common sense has gone out the window.. You don't believe your wife, if you're married. knows who you are, what you think, your beliefs and how you think both of you should live. I have to say, if you're married, you have the shallowest marriage I've ever heard of.

I'm sure she knows those things, but not completely.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:11 - New American Standard Bible

For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

I'm sure she knows those things, but not completely.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:11 - New American Standard Bible

For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God.

www.biblegateway.com

So now your claim is we can't really know the law of God and so neither could Abraham?

 

[Leaf473]

So now your claim is we can't really know the law of God and so neither could Abraham?

No, my claim is that there is no passage in Scripture that states:

God spoke with Abraham face to face
And at that time communicated all of his commandments to him.

At least, not a passage that I'm aware of. If you're aware of such a passage, please post it

 

[Gary K]

No, my claim is that there is no passage in Scripture that states:


At least, not a passage that I'm aware of. If you're aware of such a passage, please post it

Like I said earlier, common sense, it appears, has gone out the window

 

[Leaf473]

Like I said earlier, common sense, it appears, has gone out the window

If you would like to post the scripture passage I described, please do so.

Otherwise, it seems reasonable for us to agree that such passage does not exist

 

[Gary K]

If you would like to post the scripture passage I described, please do so.

Otherwise, it seems reasonable for us to agree that such passage does not exist

Of course it doesn't exist, but that is meaningless to you who want to use it to deny what your common sense tells you is true.

 

[Leaf473]

Of course it doesn't exist, but that is meaningless to you who want to use it to deny what your common sense tells you is true.

I disagree that it's meaningless.

Peace be with you, my brother!

 

[Gary K]

I disagree that it's meaningless.

Peace be with you, my brother!

Well, just keep on fooling yourself. You're mainly hurting yourself.

 

[Leaf473]

Well, just keep on fooling yourself. You're mainly hurting yourself.

What is in the scriptures, and what is not, isn't meaningless. I disagree that believing that is hurting me in any way

Thanks for the discussion, see you around!

 

[Leaf473]

The key issue is when was Abraham declared righteous?

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 4:6 - New Living Translation

David also spoke of this when he described the happiness of those who are declared righteous without working for it:

www.biblegateway.com

When does Abraham achieve the state described there?

I agree that it was before he was circumcised.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 4:10 - New Living Translation

But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised!

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

What is in the scriptures, and what is not, isn't meaningless. I disagree that believing that is hurting me in any way

Thanks for the discussion, see you around!

I agree that what is in scripture isn't meaningless. However if we store misunderstandings of scripture in our minds it has a very negative affect on us. We become what we believe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree that what is in scripture isn't meaningless. However if we store misunderstandings of scripture in our minds it has a very negative affect on us. We become what we believe.

Yes, this is a scary place to be. Scripture deals with this and tells us if we do not come to light of God's Truth, we will start believing the lies.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Leaf473]

I agree that what is in scripture isn't meaningless. However if we store misunderstandings of scripture in our minds it has a very negative affect on us. We become what we believe.

Absolutely! That's why I think it's great to discuss these things