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All love flows from the heart, so if we connect to eachother's heart, love overflows. Many don't know how to connect to the virgin mary, even when it is right before our eyes. Her immaculate heart--this is how we connect to her. A marriage of hearts. All have heard that wisdom is a woman and what better woman to connect to than a perpetual virgin; for it is she who dispenses wisdom and even courage.
 

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Isn't wisdom Sophiz that broke into many parts and will come together again when we all die and the pieces are free to return?
Yea, sophia. If you believe in gnosticism. I, however, am more inclined to Roman Catholicism. I'm not truly a gnostic, although I find value in gnostic teachings. It's up to you, for which lady you want to call wisdom. Personally, for me, its the Virgin Mary.
The story with Sophia is that she came into being, apart from the Father and she so sought to know the Father; so she divided herself into lower and higher wisdom; hence the creation of the world. I personally do not believe it, however, it is an image of Truth; and everything that can be imagined is an image of Truth.
 
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This is a bit obscure, but it's the first thing I thought of.

RICH. Ax your honour's pardon, but �
SIR D. Ha! observed! And by a mariner! What would you with me, fellow?
RICH. Your honour, I'm a poor man-o'-war's-man, becalmed in the doldrums �
SIR D. I don't know them.
RICH. And I make bold to ax your honour's advice. Does your honour know
what it is to have a heart?
SIR D. My honour knows what it is to have a complete apparatus for conducting
the circulation of the blood through the veins and arteries of the human body.
RICH. Aye, but has your honour a heart that ups and looks you in the face, and
gives you quarter-deck orders that it's life and death to disobey?
SIR D. I have not a heart of that description, but I have a Picture Gallery that
presumes to take that liberty.

A cookie to anyone who knows what this is.
 
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This is a bit obscure, but it's the first thing I thought of.

RICH. Ax your honour's pardon, but �
SIR D. Ha! observed! And by a mariner! What would you with me, fellow?
RICH. Your honour, I'm a poor man-o'-war's-man, becalmed in the doldrums �
SIR D. I don't know them.
RICH. And I make bold to ax your honour's advice. Does your honour know
what it is to have a heart?
SIR D. My honour knows what it is to have a complete apparatus for conducting
the circulation of the blood through the veins and arteries of the human body.
RICH. Aye, but has your honour a heart that ups and looks you in the face, and
gives you quarter-deck orders that it's life and death to disobey?
SIR D. I have not a heart of that description, but I have a Picture Gallery that
presumes to take that liberty.

A cookie to anyone who knows what this is.
that's just weird man but that could be my ignorance to what you were trying to convey. I get it and I don't at the same time.
 
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what better woman to connect to than a perpetual virgin; for it is she who dispenses wisdom and even courage.

Personally, I prefer a woman who is more experienced, and I find that they have more wisdom. Virgins aren't known for wisdom.

But Athena and Minerva were goddesses of wisdom, and were virgins, so there does seem to be a pagan precedent. I wonder why, though.

Could it be that a goddess of wisdom must be "available" for everyone to "connect" with and explore, given that wisdom is such a personal thing?


eudaimonia,

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All love flows from the heart, so if we connect to eachother's heart, love overflows. Many don't know how to connect to the virgin mary, even when it is right before our eyes. Her immaculate heart--this is how we connect to her. A marriage of hearts. All have heard that wisdom is a woman and what better woman to connect to than a perpetual virgin; for it is she who dispenses wisdom and even courage.
I have to admit that all this makes no sense whatsoever to me. I guess it´s either a problem of terminology or because I´m spiritually dead (or both). :)
 
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I have to admit that all this makes no sense whatsoever to me. I guess it´s either a problem of terminology or because I´m spiritually dead (or both). :)

Nah, you just need to take it as a poetic way of discussing something that you may relate to in your own psychology.

It's difficult for me too, but only because I'm used to the language of debate, logic, mathematics, and science. (I'm a solid iNtuitive Thinker, NT, in the Myers-Briggs rating system.) I need to shift gears to a different way of arriving at understanding. (All the way to a solid iNtuitive Feeler. Not easy.)

If you can't relate, it doesn't mean that you are spiritually dead, but simply that you can't relate. I would imagine that a Buddhist might not be able to relate to what he is saying, even though he was far from spiritually dead.

Try reading poetry to get in the mood. :)


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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I have to admit that all this makes no sense whatsoever to me. I guess it´s either a problem of terminology or because I´m spiritually dead (or both). :)

Me too. If it's intended to be literal it seems literally like nonsense to me; if it's intended to be some sort of metaphoric thing then I just don't get what it's intended to be a metaphor for.
 
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Personally, I prefer a woman who is more experienced, and I find that they have more wisdom. Virgins aren't known for wisdom.

But Athena and Minerva were goddesses of wisdom, and were virgins, so there does seem to be a pagan precedent. I wonder why, though.

Could it be that a goddess of wisdom must be "available" for everyone to "connect" with and explore, given that wisdom is such a personal thing?


eudaimonia,

Mark
precisely.
 
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