Frequency natural disasters is increasing- why?

[AV1611VET]

I’m seeing a lot of claims but not a lot of evidence.

Keep seeking then.

You'll find what it is you're seeking.

I promise.

 

[Goonie]

Cancer will be eliminated when Jesus gets back. Some people I know prayed and were healed, others ( including devout Christians) died of cancer. Disasters like cancer and earthquakes are a symptom of a broken nature. Really the solution is to completely rebuild creation which will happen at the second Coming. Dying is also not normal and a symptom of the same brokeness but given that Jesus rose we know that it is also not the end and so it is nothing to fear.

I have watched atheists moan all their way to the grave and Christians smile despite their pain.

The increased frequency of earthquakes is a symptom of brokenness. Of a system running down. We can believe that things are only going to get worse or that whether by miracle or recreation there is a fix out there waiting to happen. I choose hope.

Except there is little evidence of the increased frequency of earthquakes, at least big ones.
Are large earthquakes increasing in frequency? | EarthSky.org

What is true is that in an ever crowded earth the costs of earthquakes will exponentially increase.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

It seems you suffer alot. I'm not going to argue with you on this. A huge reason people suffer is they are overworked in the work place. Not much i can do for you except send you positive thoughts and pray for you. I don't have alot of money but i do have stuff. I wish you the best.

I don't suffer anymore than your average Joe. Suffering is mostly a state of mind, however. How much you feel suffering is more due to how you react and respond to adversity. How much you choose to care about the affects of unfortunate situations. My suffering is not caused by my lack of belief except maybe in my bewilderment at the machinations of Christians telling me I'm going to hell or how much I'm suffering.

No. I'm so much more fulfilled and happy without my belief than I was with it. The world makes more sense to me without a god. Thanks!

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Cancer will be eliminated when Jesus gets back. Some people I know prayed and were healed, others ( including devout Christians) died of cancer. Disasters like cancer and earthquakes are a symptom of a broken nature. Really the solution is to completely rebuild creation which will happen at the second Coming. Dying is also not normal and a symptom of the same brokeness but given that Jesus rose we know that it is also not the end and so it is nothing to fear.

I have watched atheists moan all their way to the grave and Christians smile despite their pain.

The increased frequency of earthquakes is a symptom of brokenness. Of a system running down. We can believe that things are only going to get worse or that whether by miracle or recreation there is a fix out there waiting to happen. I choose hope.

Like I said. Rationalizations. You went with evil forces preventing god from acting. In this case the evil of man. Meh. To each his own. Ultimately the point is that you have to look inward to find those answers and grapple with the consequences of them.

 

[AV1611VET]

No. I'm so much more fulfilled and happy without my belief than I was with it. The world makes more sense to me without a god. Thanks!

Were you saved at one time?

 

[Jimmy D]

We can believe that things are only going to get worse or that whether by miracle or recreation there is a fix out there waiting to happen. I choose hope.

I choose action.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Were you saved at one time?

I was, AV. I accepted Christ as my personal Lord and Savior when I was 9 years old and was baptized in a Southern Baptist megachurch. I felt the Holy Spirit come into my heart at the time. I lived my pre-teen, teens and early 20's as a Christian going to church regularly, witnessing the Gospel and going door-to-door. I'm fairly confident that I led at least one person to Christ in that time. Something I can't know for sure, of course. I was never molested or abused by a church authority or at all. I come from a loving Christian home. My parents are still together and will be celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary next month. They do not know I am an atheist as far as I'm aware though they may suspect. They've never broached the

I came to the realization that I no longer believed when I was 25 after thinking deeply for years about how people know the things they know. How people "know" things about God.

Do you have some thoughts about my salvation or lack thereof? Do you think I'm still saved or ever was?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have some thoughts about my salvation or lack thereof? Do you think I'm still saved or ever was?

Good question.

I'm an optimist when it comes to people giving me their testimony; and couple that with the fact that I believe in eternal security, I would say ... offhand ... that you will spend eternity in Heaven.

Again, just my opinion.

HOWEVER ... I would like to ask you something I ask everyone who claims they were saved at one time:

What made you give up all this:

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... for atheism?

Perhaps you simply need to ask God to:

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

God bless!

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Good question.

I'm an optimist when it comes to people giving me their testimony; and couple that with the fact that I believe in eternal security, I would say ... offhand ... that you will spend eternity in Heaven.

Again, just my opinion.

There is hope for me!!

HOWEVER ... I would like to ask you something I ask everyone who claims they were saved at one time:

What made you give up all this:

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... for atheism?

Give up all what? Some flowery words in a book? I came to the realization that none of that makes any sense. Everything I did while saved was ME. I was doing it. Not the Holy Spirit or the love of Christ. It was me, influenced by those around me who fancied themselves spiritual mentors and teachers.

Perhaps you simply need to ask God to:

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

God bless!

God's had his chance but I'm completely open to evidence of his existence. The ball's in his court. Until then I will live as if he doesn't exist like most people who claim to believe do everyday knowing that cancer won't be cured overnight and that Jesus isn't coming back with absolute 100% certainty.

But thanks!

 

[Halbhh]

You act like this is a joke and you meant it that way... but you also knew that Jesus would, in fact, not return in the next 10 minutes. So much so that you were able to make a light-hearted joke about it. There are other things about God and Jesus you know as well. For instance, if I asked you and all Christians around the world to pray together to end all cancer in the world there is no part of you that actually believes that would happen. You might hope, you might say you have faith, but deep down you know it wouldn't happen. You might rationalize the reason for it (not all Christians prayed for the same thing, or there were evil forces working against God neither of which is actually a satisfactory answer as to why you know it wont happen), but you can't really know why in the context of your belief. There is one possibility, however, that fully and completely explains why you know it won't happen.

Christ said certain specific things would happen before He returns. That's not hard for someone that believes and is willing to read to learn about.

It turns out a clear condition is just now for the first time ever becoming close to complete, that all the world would hear the gospel (meaning not only here and there, or just many places, but in all places).

Here's something He said:

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors [collaborators with Rome against the Jews] doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

[it being the most perfect response of all to an enemy to do good to them, so then to create change and peace]

 

[AV1611VET]

Give up all what?

So to the best of your recollection, you did not go through a translation process?

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

So to the best of your recollection, you did not go through a translation process?

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. I suspect that you mean some kind of transformation washing over me. At the time I certainly thought I felt all that and I acted accordingly. I also, suspect you're trying to judge with your own understanding whether I was really saved or not, the negative of which will make you feel secure in your own salvation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. I suspect that you mean some kind of transformation washing over me. At the time I certainly thought I felt all that and I acted accordingly. I also, suspect you're trying to judge with your own understanding whether I was really saved or not, the negative of which will make you feel secure in your own salvation.

Have a good day, sir!

 

[mindlight]

I choose action.

The whole eco- system and our very natures are broken and have been since fall,flood and fiddling of men and angels.

Only completely rebuilding it really solves the problem. But miracles alleviate the situation for some and there are remedial actions that can make a difference, slow the inevitable or reverse it in some cases, when done with proper understanding. For instance cutting dependence on fossil fuels, filters for toxins, recycling, clean up of toxic wastelands etc etching. . That is responsible stewardship

 

[mindlight]

I’m seeing a lot of claims but not a lot of evidence.

What I said was true but you have not recognised it as truth. That is the issue you actually need to wrestle with.

 

[lasthero]

What I said was true but you have not recognised it as truth. That is the issue you actually need to wrestle with.

Nope.

Truth is demonstrable. All you’re doing is making claims.

You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t find your claims about end times any more convincing than the ones from the yahoos who’ve been screaming about it for the past two millennia.

 

[mindlight]

Except there is little evidence of the increased frequency of earthquakes, at least big ones.
Are large earthquakes increasing in frequency? | EarthSky.org

What is true is that in an ever crowded earth the costs of earthquakes will exponentially increase.

That article is quite disingenuous focusing only on earthquakes over 8 in magnitude. The frequency of earthquakes was significantly higher in number and energy release in the first decade of the 21st century

The following link shows that the first decade of the 21st Century was quite intense for earthquakes on every level. There was a peek in 2005. BUt there were similar peaks of energy release related to earthquakes in 1906 and 1951 and in fact 1906 was higher. The trend got higher before the first war then fell, then rose before the second war, declining consistently till the end of the cold war since when it rose to a peak again the first decade of the 21st but may have declined a little since then.

I would think that the kind of earthquakes we would seeing in an end time scenario would be more significant than any previous occurrences and that is not yet the case. One possibility for the recent increase would be climate change but that is not conclusive. Basically these things go in cycles and the reasons for the recent increase are not obvious.

Number of earthquakes by year

 

[pitabread]

We can believe that things are only going to get worse or that whether by miracle or recreation there is a fix out there waiting to happen.

Except things have been far worse already. Again, I point to the Black Death where half of the entire population of Europe died. That was far worse than anything happening today.

Why wouldn't that have been an indication of the end times?

 

[mindlight]

Except things have been far worse already. Again, I point to the Black Death where half of the entire population of Europe died. That was far worse than anything happening today.

Why wouldn't that have been an indication of the end times?

Well it was more local than truly global and only 50 million died compared to 85 million as a result of ww2 and another 37 million from ww1 and maybe a 100m in the disaster surrounding the civil war in china. At the time black death seemed extreme. BUt Revelation talks in terms of a third of the population of the planet being wiped out by asteroids, plagues, earthquakes and assorted "natural disasters". Of course nothing compares to the flood which wiped out 99.9999% of the worlds population.

To be honest this is not happening yet, kind of thankful for that! But there has been a statistically significant increase in the frequency and energy release of earthquakes in the first decade of this century. It could peter out like previous cycles. Noone has really explained it though in this thread.

For all we know that last piece of bubble gum holding the planet together is right now being melted by an especially nasty lava flow.

 

[pitabread]

Well it was more local than truly global and only 50 million died compared to 85 million as a result of ww2 and another 37 million from ww1 and maybe a 100m in the disaster surrounding the civil war in china. At the time black death seemed extreme.

In terms of proportional populations, the Black Death was far worse than WW1 or WW2. The Earth had far fewer humans in the 1300's than the 1900's.

BUt Revelation talks in terms of a third of the population of the planet being wiped out by asteroids, plagues, earthquakes and assorted "natural disasters".

The Black Death was still a lot closer to achieving that than anything today.

Of course nothing compares to the flood which wiped out 99.9999% of the worlds population.

Except the mythological flood of Noah never actually happened. This is especially given the time period in which is purported to have occurred and the fact the civilizations at the time continued unabated.

To be honest this is not happening yet, kind of thankful for that! But there has been a statistically significant increase in the frequency and energy release of earthquakes in the first decade of this century.

As others have said, there are possible explanations for this including better monitoring of earthquakes and the use of fracking.