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Why did the Freemason's build the new Israeli Supreme Court?

What is the symbolism in having an inverted cross, an all-seeing eye in a pyramid, egyptian obelisk, far east shrine, among many others...all within that building?

Why is it that so many world leaders are Freemasons...from Saddam Hussein to Jordan's king to Clinton, Bush, Kerry, and on and on and on...?

What is the stated goal and purpose of the Freemasons?

Why do you suppose they want to build the new temple in Jerusalem?

Is it all conspiracy theories and bunk or is there something to it?
 

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Why did the Freemason's build the new Israeli Supreme Court?

What is the symbolism in having an inverted cross, an all-seeing eye in a pyramid, egyptian obelisk, far east shrine, among many others...all within that building?

Why is it that so many world leaders are Freemasons...from Saddam Hussein to Jordan's king to Clinton, Bush, Kerry, and on and on and on...?

What is the stated goal and purpose of the Freemasons?

Why do you suppose they want to build the new temple in Jerusalem?

Is it all conspiracy theories and bunk or is there something to it?
the more I read about them, the creepier it gets (and I haven't even got into any conspiracy theories yet). Just going off wikipedia and mason friendly websites. I actually hadn't ever even heard of the term free mason until just a couple weeks ago actually. creepy...
Geez I gotta go to bed now.
 
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This statement is taken directly off the free masonry website.

Freemasonry is the oldest and largest world wide fraternity dedicated to the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of a Supreme Being. Although of a religious nature, Freemasonry is not a religion. It urges its members, however, to be faithful and devoted to their own religious beliefs.

If this doesn't send shivers up your spine, you might want to check your pulse.
 
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Why Jerusalem?....I guess that could be significant in light of the fact that all three religions expect their messiahs plus two horns to show up there , and thats where Lucifer said he would sit and rule the world from.

The problem as I see it is that these freemasons appear to be non religious types of people and thats the part I cannot understand.
 
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With so many groups and organizations in the world that are actively and overtly advocating and fighting for what Christians must consider evil goals, the idea of Christians being frightened of a group composed mostly of middle-aged businessmen is kind of surreal. I mean, radical Islam is in the process of taking over Europe and establishing a foothold in the US, but folks are more scared of the guys in the funny hats who drive go-carts with eccentric wheels in parades.
 
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Why did the Freemason's build the new Israeli Supreme Court?

What is the symbolism in having an inverted cross, an all-seeing eye in a pyramid, egyptian obelisk, far east shrine, among many others...all within that building?

Why is it that so many world leaders are Freemasons...from Saddam Hussein to Jordan's king to Clinton, Bush, Kerry, and on and on and on...?

What is the stated goal and purpose of the Freemasons?

Why do you suppose they want to build the new temple in Jerusalem?

Is it all conspiracy theories and bunk or is there something to it?
If you really want to know the answers to those questions have ever considered simply asking freemasons, themselves? It would be far more productive than asking people who aren't freemasons and who have to rely on second or third hand information. You know, if you want to know how a car works you would go ask a mechanic, right?

And who in the world is claiming Saddam Hussein was a freemason?

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If you really want to know the answers to those questions have ever considered simply asking freemasons, themselves? It would be far more productive than asking people who aren't freemasons and who have to rely on second or third hand information. You know, if you want to know how a car works you would go ask a mechanic, right?

My ex father in law was a freemason and after watching a 60 minutes program on them I asked him some questions about whether or not some of those things were true, and he rudly remained tight lipped.

Your not going to get anything out of a freemason other than what they want to tell you.
 
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Your not going to get anything out of a freemason other than what they want to tell you.
It just depends on who you ask. I have seen people on this and other messege boards who said they were freemasons and were quite willing to discuss misconceptions about masonry. Some people like your grandfather may not want to talk about it, but others are willing to dispel what they view as misinformation.

So again, I think the best course of action is to ask Masons about masonry, instead of going to sources who aren't masons and who have axes to grind with the group.

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"Brain Damage" is right. They sware oaths of secrecy. Those oaths involve violent deaths if they break them:

"Typical Masonic Oath
Taken by 3rd Degree Freemasons – (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1964 A.D.)
The blindfolded candidate kneels at the altar, places both hands on the volume of sacred law, the square and compass, and repeats after the worshipful master: http://www.trosch.org/msn/i-new-one-wo.jpg
I, _________, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, and this Worshipful Lodge, erected to Him and dedicated to the holy St. John, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will hail, ever conceal, and never reveal any of the secrets, arts, parts, point or points, of the Master Mason's Degree, to any person or persons whomsoever, except that it be a true and lawful brother of this Degree, or in a regularly constituted Lodge of Master Masons, nor unto him, or them, until by strict trial, due examination, or lawful information, I shall have found him, or them, as lawfully entitled to the same as I am myself. I furthermore promise and swear, that I will stand to and abide by all laws, rules, and regulations of the Master Masons Degree, and of the Lodge of which I may hereafter become a member, as far as the same shall come to my knowledge; and that I will ever maintain and support the Constitution, laws, and edicts of the Grand Lodge under which the same shall be holden. Further, that I will acknowledge and obey all due signs and summons sent to me from a Master Masons' Lodge, or given me by a brother of that Degree, if within the length of my cable tow. Further, that I will always aid and assist all poor, distressed, worthy Master Masons, their widows and orphans, knowing them to be such, as far as their necessities may require, and my ability permit, without material injury to myself and family. Further, that I will keep a worthy brother Master Mason's secrets inviolable, when communicated to and received by me as such, murder and treason excepted. Further, that I will not aid, nor be present at, the initiation, passing, or raising of a woman, an old man in his dotage, a young man in his nonage, an atheist, a madman, or fool, knowing them to be such. Further, that I will not sit in a Lodge of Clandestine-made Masons, nor converse on the subject of Masonry with a clandestine-made Mason, nor one who has been expelled or suspended from a Lodge, while under that sentence, knowing him or them to be such. Further, I will not cheat, wrong, nor defraud a Master Masons' Lodge, nor a brother of this Degree, knowingly, nor supplant him in any of his laudable undertakings, but will give him due and timely notice, that he may ward off all danger. Further, that I will not knowingly strike a brother Master Mason, or otherwise do him personal violence in anger, except in the necessary defense of my family or property. Further, that I will not have illegal carnal intercourse with a Master Mason's wife, his mother, sister, or daughter knowing them to be such, nor suffer the same to be done by others, if in my power to prevent. Further, that I will not give the Grand Masonic word, in any other manner or form than that in which I shall receive it, and then in a low breath. Further, that I will not give the Grand Hailing Sign of distress except in case of the most imminent danger, in a just and lawful Lodge, or for the benefit of instruction; and if ever I should see it given, or hear the words accompanying it, by a worthy brother in distress, I will fly to his relief, if there is a greater probability of saving his life than losing my own. All this I most solemnly, sincerely promise and swear, with a firm and steady resolution to perform the same, without any hesitation, myself, under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same."

They have hand signals and handshakes. It is an over-arching religion that unites men of all religions. The requirement isn't what god you believe in, just that you believe in one. They use unique symbols that are occultic, paganistic, a form of Kaballistc and Egyptian.

It is a very deep rabbit hole.
 
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Why Jerusalem?....I guess that could be significant in light of the fact that all three religions expect their messiahs plus two horns to show up there , and thats where Lucifer said he would sit and rule the world from.

The problem as I see it is that these freemasons appear to be non religious types of people and thats the part I cannot understand.
You nailed it.

The devil knows what the Bible says. Christ will rule from the temple in Jerusalem. (Ezek 40-48, Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, 2 Thess, Revelation)

The Jews are expecting the Messiah, not an anti-christ who will rule from Jerusalem. They believe that he will be a man, sort of like Moses, who is led by God.

This is why the Freemasons want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. It is my opinion that they want to impose their new world order. Biblically, the one who rules from that temple is God.

It's all foretold.
 
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With so many groups and organizations in the world that are actively and overtly advocating and fighting for what Christians must consider evil goals, the idea of Christians being frightened of a group composed mostly of middle-aged businessmen is kind of surreal. I mean, radical Islam is in the process of taking over Europe and establishing a foothold in the US, but folks are more scared of the guys in the funny hats who drive go-carts with eccentric wheels in parades.
It appears that God is going to take care of Islam when you read Ezek 38/39, Psalm 83.

Dig a little deeper into Freemasons. It's not old men sitting around, smoking cigars, and conducting business.

It is world leaders following and practicing the occultic dark arts, planning and working toward the common goal of ruling the world from Jerusalem, establishing the new world order.
 
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"Brain Damage" is right. They sware oaths of secrecy. Those oaths involve violent deaths if they break them:

They have hand signals and handshakes. It is an over-arching religion that unites men of all religions. The requirement isn't what god you believe in, just that you believe in one. They use unique symbols that are occultic, paganistic, a form of Kaballistc and Egyptian.

It is a very deep rabbit hole.
When I was in Marine boot camp, we had to swear the Marine Corps Rifleman’s Creed, and swear it before God. The creed basically stated that my rifle was my best friend, that I am useless without my rifle, that my rifle was human, etc. etc. It was all very ceremonial. I’d be willing to bet that the “penalties” of the Freemasonry oaths fall into that category. From what I’ve read members have been punished by suspension or expulsion….nobody’s cutting ex-masons up into pieces.

If all of this masonry stuff is “secret” then why can I find a ton of information about the subject from Masonic sources? If Brain is right, then how come I can find Masons online who refute the disinformation going around about Masonry? I’m sure you’ve seen the Wikipedia article on masonry; there are numerous links on that page that lead to online Masonic resources. This site (http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Masonry/Questions/difficult.html) even addresses most of the issues raised on this thread (is Masonry connected to Satanism?, is it a “secret society?, are there “blood” oaths?, are their symbols occultic?, etc.). If I can easily find the site, surely you can too.

For me, the bottom line is in the past I’ve done a lot of research into “secret societies” (other than Freemasonry) and I’ve fact checked a lot of the online “facts” presented by conspiracy theorists like Jordan Maxwell, Alex Jones, among other detractors, and I’ve been blown away by the amount falsehoods and outright lies on the web that are being peddled concerning these “secret societies”. So based on my experiences, I am extremely cynical when I see someone post “facts” on a message board about freemasons that do not come from freemason sources. The idea that Saddam Hussein was a mason should be a red flag to you that you seriously need to reevaluate your sources.

In Christ,

Acts6:5
 
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When I was in Marine boot camp, we had to swear the Marine Corps Rifleman’s Creed, and swear it before God. The creed basically stated that my rifle was my best friend, that I am useless without my rifle, that my rifle was human, etc. etc. It was all very ceremonial. I’d be willing to bet that the “penalties” of the Freemasonry oaths fall into that category. From what I’ve read members have been punished by suspension or expulsion….nobody’s cutting ex-masons up into pieces.

If all of this masonry stuff is “secret” then why can I find a ton of information about the subject from Masonic sources? If Brain is right, then how come I can find Masons online who refute the disinformation going around about Masonry? I’m sure you’ve seen the Wikipedia article on masonry; there are numerous links on that page that lead to online Masonic resources. This site (http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Masonry/Questions/difficult.html) even addresses most of the issues raised on this thread (is Masonry connected to Satanism?, is it a “secret society?, are there “blood” oaths?, are their symbols occultic?, etc.). If I can easily find the site, surely you can too.

For me, the bottom line is in the past I’ve done a lot of research into “secret societies” (other than Freemasonry) and I’ve fact checked a lot of the online “facts” presented by conspiracy theorists like Jordan Maxwell, Alex Jones, among other detractors, and I’ve been blown away by the amount falsehoods and outright lies on the web that are being peddled concerning these “secret societies”. So based on my experiences, I am extremely cynical when I see someone post “facts” on a message board about freemasons that do not come from freemason sources. The idea that Saddam Hussein was a mason should be a red flag to you that you seriously need to reevaluate your sources.

In Christ,

Acts6:5
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....


Did you read the website you quoted?

"What are these Masonic symbols? The representation of an eye and an unfinished pyramid. The All-Seeing Eye of Deity is certainly mentioned in Freemasonry, but that concept dates back to the Bible, at least."


Now, tell me, where is the "All-Seeing Eye of Deity" mentioned in the Bible or even a concept in the Bible????? Maybe with the EGYPTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!


"Assertions about "pagan" material in Masonry may stem from the study of material from the ancient world in some of the degrees. But this is not paganism (the worship of idols, natural objects, or polytheistic human-like deities). In fact, many of the early teachings of the Church depended heavily on the works of such "pagan" philosophers as Plato and Aristotle; Christianity has absorbed such pagan elements as the Christmas tree, the name Easter (from a pagan fertility goddess), and the actual date of Christmas (pre-empting the Roman's pagan winter solstice festival of the Saturnalia). Indeed, the mythos about the fall of Lucifer from heaven to the underworld is of pagan origin, derived from the Graeco-Roman legend of Hephaestus (Vulcan) who fell from Mt. Olympus to the nether regions, where his forges were located, and in ancient art is depicted as lame from the fall. There have been many thinkers and learned men in cultures other than that of the West in the Judaeo-Christian era, and it is not "paganism" to study them."

Notice that there's no denial that they study paganism...they just put an "every thinker does it" label on it.

And there's a recurring theme:

"Stories about Masons being maimed or murdered for violation of their oaths are just that: fiction. Not one single instance can be documented, despite the many attempts by the enemies of Masonry to promote this slander."


"The anti-Masons also engage in circular reasoning: They claim that there is a great "Masonic conspiracy" to control the world. Absent any evidence of that, they claim that the very lack of evidence is "proof" of the power of the conspiracy."


"As the concept is the product of overwrought imaginations, the total lack of evidence or purpose for any such conspiracy must lead us to dismiss it as nonsense."



As a Christian, this should be interesting to you and send up a red flag:

"To be sure, some Christians believe that only prayers given in a particularly Christian form are truly prayers. These people cannot become Freemasons because they do not subscribe to the principles of religious toleration required of Masons. But most Christians do not hold these exclusive beliefs and have no objections to the form of prayer offered in the Masonic Lodge. "

So, the entire group "prays" as one to the Diety...a prayer not to the One True God of the Universe...but to a Diety (undefined for fear of religious intolerance).

It's a fraternal organization and yet they all pray to one God (most definitely NOT Jesus - not politically correct) and they study ancient religious stuff like Paganism and Kaballah and Egyptian stuff....

Ask yourself...why???? I thought it was a fraternal organization? Why are they praying to the "All-Seeing Eye Diety" and studying religious stuff? Furthermore, people who believe that prayers should be to Jesus are excluded....

Hmmmm.....
 
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There's so much to this Free Mason stuff...

Dig into Mormons and Freemasons. (Jehovah's Witnesses too)

Look into the Freemason apron that went to the moon.

What is the true meaning of the symbolism of Freemasonry?

Why are many crop circles related to freemason symbols of alchemy, pagan, egyptian, Kabballah, and eastern religion symbols? Including the tree of life, chakras, and so much more...
 
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HisdaughterJen said:
The Jews are expecting the Messiah, not an anti-christ who will rule from Jerusalem.
Will the anti-christ rule from Jerusalem or Pergamum??

...The dragon gave the beast his power and throne (Rev 13:2)
...I know where you live -- where Satan has his throne [Pergamum] (Rev 2:13)
 
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Will the anti-christ rule from Jerusalem or Pergamum??

...The dragon gave the beast his power and throne (Rev 13:2)
...I know where you live -- where Satan has his throne [Pergamum] (Rev 2:13)
Well, some say Babylon because of "shinar" of Zech 5 (which is interesting in light of us going into Iraq) but Paul said:

2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.



God's temple has always been in Jerusalem.
 
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Will the anti-christ rule from Jerusalem or Pergamum??

...The dragon gave the beast his power and throne (Rev 13:2)
...I know where you live -- where Satan has his throne [Pergamum] (Rev 2:13)

Your answer lies in the following question.....

Where would Jesus/God reign from?


Now it will not be earthly Jerusalem but a new Jerusalem. Babylon is a harlot trying to pass herself off as the bride.

Mark
 
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In Rev 13:2, Satan gives the beast his power, his throne, and great authority.

Now I believe Satan's throne is still in Pergamum, Rev 2:13, since I haven't seen anything in scripture to indicate otherwise. But Pergamum is modern Bergama which is located very near modern Izmir.

Now I suppose that Izmir will become the beast's naval base since Izmir Turkey seems to be strategically located on the Aegean Sea. And from Daniel eleven, we know the beast, aka king of the North, attacks the king of the South with a great fleet.

At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. (Dan 11:40)
Just thought this might be something to chew on.
Note that this is "At the time of the end", so I think it is relevent.
 
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