Freemasonry

Albion · Apr 6, 2013

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Apples and oranges, even Muslems take care of children.

Hmmm. How about some actual comparison, then. I suppose "Muslems" may take care of some children. That happens in every culture. Do they raise a million dollars a day for their charities like the Masons do? And where is the series of Muslem cancer hospitals and burn centers that they operate, completely free from any charge to the child patients who come to them irrespective of religious affiliation??

yeshuasavedme · Apr 6, 2013

Albion said:
Hmmm. How about some actual comparison, then. I suppose "Muslems" may take care of some children. That happens in every culture. Do they raise a million dollars a day for their charities like the Masons do? And where is the series of Muslem cancer hospitals and burn centers that they operate, completely free from any charge to the child patients who come to them irrespective of religious affiliation??

This is so sad.
Shriners do their" good works" in the name of allah, the Muslim god.

Anyone who takes the name of YHWH and says Jesus is their Savior, and then swears to the demon allah, brings themselves under a curse, and needs to repent and renounce the oath and ask Jesus to forgive them.

The Evil Oath of a Shriner

Posted by Mark Escalera - The Jungle Missionary on October 17, 2008 in Freemasonry
Disclaimer Some of the information in these blogs is not deemed suitable for young readers. We ask that discretion be used. Much prayer is needed in the understanding of the ways of Lucifer. This is NOT a trivial matter and we take our responsibility to warn of the evil and dangers of heresy, false doctrine, and cults very seriously.
The following information makes it very clear that no true Bible-believing Christian who has been born again by the Spirit of God can willfully, deliberately partake in the oath that follows. It is a wicked organization, and it does not matter that they do some good or have childrens hospitals.
No local church will ever be blessed by God that allows a Shriner or a Mason in without that person first being willing to recant of the evil and the curses which they have uttered that are contrary to the Word of God! We will be discussing this in more detail in a later blog, Lord willing.

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The Oath of a Shriner!

Candidates for induction into the Shriners are greeted by a High Priest, who says:
By the existence of Allah and the creed of Mohammed; by the legendary sanctity of our Tabernacle at Mecca, we greet you.
The inductees then swear on the Bible and the Koran, in the name of Mohammed, and invoke Masonrys usual gruesome penalties upon themselves:
I do hereby, upon this Bible, and on the mysterious legend of the Koran, and its dedication to the Mohammedan faith, promise and swear and vow that I will never reveal any secret part or portion whatsoever of the ceremonies and now upon this sacred book, by the sincerity of a Moslems oath I here register this irrevocable vow in willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming sun shall strike me with livid plague, and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same. Amen. Amen. Amen.
With this oath, Christians swear on the Koran, and declare Allah to be the god of our fathers. From the perspective of Christianity and Islam alike, Shriners take the name of God in vain, and mock both faiths.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Excerpt from The Origins and Influence of Masonry
by Lee Penn, SCP Journal Vol. 25:2-25:3 2001
P0 Box 4308, Berkeley, CA 94704[/FONT]

yeshuasavedme · Apr 6, 2013

The Testimony of Marshall Almarode, Kennewick, WA'

yeshuasavedme said:
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Marshall Almarode, Kennewick, Wa

[/SIZE]Secret Oaths?
I discovered that Masons have been violating their own oaths of death since the 1800s, by printing their complete ceremonies in books called rituals or monitors. I have now collected three bookshelves of Masonic books. One of the books is a First Edition Scottish Rite ritual printed in 1887. It contains the secret ceremonies and oaths of death performed on each candidate who takes any of the 17th through the 33rd degrees. Another book on my shelf is called Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor. It is readily available to the public in any B.Y. Dalton book store, and has been proclaiming the supposed secrets of Masonry to the public for many decades. It is the York Rite ritual and contains the ceremonies and oaths of death of an Entered Apprentice (1st degree) to the Royal Arch (7th degree). Finding and reading these and other books on my bookshelf lead me to discover that I had been lied to by members of the Kennewick Masonic Lodge when they told me that these degrees were secret. I was also lied to about the religious compatibility of Freemasonry and Biblical Christianity.

A witness to the truth of the fact that the oaths are not secret, are published, and can be read in books found in a public library.

Rhamiel · Apr 6, 2013

Albion said:
Hmmm. How about some actual comparison, then. I suppose "Muslems" may take care of some children. That happens in every culture. Do they raise a million dollars a day for their charities like the Masons do? And where is the series of Muslem cancer hospitals and burn centers that they operate, completely free from any charge to the child patients who come to them irrespective of religious affiliation??

the good works that they do can not cover up the idolatry that is done by the Freemasons
it is not the idolatry of old that worships gold statues
it is the idolatry of the modern age
the worship of mankind
the worship of self

Albion · Apr 6, 2013

Rhamiel said:
the good works that they do can not cover up the idolatry that is done by the Freemasons
it is not the idolatry of old that worships gold statues
it is the idolatry of the modern age
the worship of mankind
the worship of self

Still sounds funny coming from an advocate of real, old fashioned idolatry.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 7, 2013

yeshuasavedme said:
A witness to the truth of the fact that the oaths are not secret, are published, and can be read in books found in a public library.

The Shriners building in Springfield Missouri, built in 1922, says in Arabic below the dome "there is no god but allah"
Blasphemy in the Bible Belt – written on Shriners' building in Springfield, Missouri: ‘No god but Allah!’ By Pat Franklin.

The cornerstone of the building says: ‘Abou Ben Adhem Shrine Mosque A.A.O.N.M.S. 1922’.

Arabic writing below the dome says: 'No god but Allah'.

...Shriners are Freemasons who take an oath on the Koran, the Islamic ‘bible’ which says that Jesus is not God or the Son or God, did not die on the cross, was not buried, and did not rise from the dead; yet they consider themselves Christians....
Pictures: Copyright Banner Publishing, reproduction can be done for non-commercial ventures.

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It is called "the shrine mosque" This is blasphemy for a Christian to be associated with.
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The Abou Ben Adhem (“May his tribe increase!&#8221 Shrine Mosque was built in 1923 and was hailed as the largest auditorium west of the Mississippi. It is one of Springfield’s most recognizable buildings with its red brick walls and terracotta polychrome turrets.

The Saracenic, or Moorish, style of architecture was the design of Springfield architects Heckenlively and Mark. Two stained glass windows designed by Stanley Uthwatt depict a camel caravan.

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http://www.theshrinemosqueonline.com/history

yeshuasavedme · Apr 7, 2013

IN my last post I showed proof that the temple mosque of Shriners in Springfield Missouri has "no god but allah" in Arabic written under the two domes, but now look at the connections of "The serpent, that old Devil", and freemasonry.
There used to be an online tour of the DC Lodge in which many serpents and other gods are depicted in relief in the building. The edit: photos were exposure photos done by one who had taken pics while inside. I do not know if it is to be found anywhere online today, but nevertheless, the snakes in freemasonry and "the old serpent, the devil" are one and the same.
From a Freemasonry site itself which "splains" the snake in the apron [but remember: the wisdom the serpent offers is not "holy!:

Masonic Apron: the Rosettes
Finally we arrive at the band with the hook and eye attachment that perhaps nobody may be aware is also full of symbolic significance. It is no accident that the snake was selected for this purpose. The snake is the traditional symbol of evil, but it is also associated with wisdom. Thus the serpent in our apron denotes that we are encircled by Holy wisdom. You will also notice that the serpent is biting its own tail, thus forming a circle which has always been regarded as the emblem of eternity, and more especially the Eternal Wisdom of God.

yeshuasavedme said:
The Shriners building in Springfield Missouri, built in 1922, says in Arabic below the dome "there is no god but allah"
Blasphemy in the Bible Belt – written on Shriners' building in Springfield, Missouri: ‘No god but Allah!’ By Pat Franklin.

The cornerstone of the building says: ‘Abou Ben Adhem Shrine Mosque A.A.O.N.M.S. 1922’.

Arabic writing below the dome says: 'No god but Allah'.

...Shriners are Freemasons who take an oath on the Koran, the Islamic ‘bible’ which says that Jesus is not God or the Son or God, did not die on the cross, was not buried, and did not rise from the dead; yet they consider themselves Christians....
Pictures: Copyright Banner Publishing, reproduction can be done for non-commercial ventures.

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It is called "the shrine mosque" This is blasphemy for a Christian to be associated with.
]Shrine History

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Albion · Apr 7, 2013

I do not know if it is to be found anywhere online today, but nevertheless, the snakes in freemasonry and "the old serpent, the devil" are one and the same.
From a Freemasonry site itself which "splains" the snake in the apron [but remember: the wisdom the serpent offers is not "holy!:

This is why your material is not credible. You state above that Masonry's use of the snake is explained below, and that it and evil are the same.

But if anyone bothers to read the material you chose to offer us...the meaning is not as you say it is but, rather, Holy wisdom. And yes, that is a longstanding symbol for wisdom.

Masonic Apron: the Rosettes
Finally we arrive at the band with the hook and eye attachment that perhaps nobody may be aware is also full of symbolic significance. It is no accident that the snake was selected for this purpose. The snake is the traditional symbol of evil, but it is also associated with wisdom. Thus the serpent in our apron denotes that we are encircled by Holy wisdom. You will also notice that the serpent is biting its own tail, thus forming a circle which has always been regarded as the emblem of eternity, and more especially the Eternal Wisdom of God.

LastSeven · Apr 7, 2013

Simpleman25 said:
1. Do you see any Masonic symbolism or message on the US $1 bill?

The unfinished pyramid depicts the unfinished country. The all seeing eye I responded to earlier. It is not solely Masonic. Messages? No way. No hidden messages anywhere.

First of all it surprises me that you don't connect the pyramid with Egypt. Secondly, you describe the meaning of the flat topped pyramid as representing the incompleteness of the United States. Manly P Hall, describes the flat top of the unfinished pyramid to represent human society in general as being imperfect and incomplete. What then would masons, such as yourself, consider a "completion" or "perfection" of either the country or society in general? When is it finished?

Do you consider Manly P Hall's writings or beliefs in any way relevant to or representative of freemasonry?

I realize that it's possible, in fact probable, that not all masons, even 33rd degree, share the same beliefs and ideas, but I think it's important for everyone, especially yourself to understand that many influential masons have in the past and continue to hold some very dangerous beliefs. In fact, I believe there is a connection between freemasonry and Nimrod, the builder of the tower of babel.

The numbers 11, 13, 33 and 72 seem to be important numbers in masonic symbolism, each for different reasons. The number 72 in particular is of interest to me because there were 72 angels assigned by God to watch over the nations of the earth, all of which fell into sin. These 72 angels became sharers of forbidden knowledge, against the will of God.

As you know, angels are often represented as stars. 72 stars surround the painting The Apotheosis of George Washington which was commissioned, designed and painted by Freemasons. Are these representative of the fallen ones? As well 72 stones are used to depict the unfinished pyramid on the one dollar bill. Are the 72 angels seen as building blocks that will eventually lead to a "finished" society / humanity?

The 72 fallen angels fulfilled the promise made by the serpent in the garden which was to share knowledge with man. The religion instituted by Nimrod (aka Osiris) and his wife/mother Semiramis (aka Isis) followed the same line of reasoning as that of the serpent, which is that God the creator is cruel and trying to keep you down, but the serpent (and his angels) can show you the light and share all kinds of knowledge to make men "as gods".

Do you recognize the number 72 as important in any way to freemasonry?

You may have heard of the 72 Goetia demons? These are allegedly the demons summoned by King Solomon to build his temple. Recognizing this connection between the number 72 and Freemasonry as well as the prominence of the building of Solomon's temple in Freemasonry's 3rd degree ritual, it makes it impossible for me to ignore the possibility that Freemasonry aims to honour these same 72, which obviously would make Christianity entirely incompatible.

The Apotheosis of George Washington, with its 72 stars encircling the scene, is a painting that depicts the deification of George Washington. Those who created the painting believed that each president of the United States would become a god upon death, (as promised by the serpent) hence the painting. This same belief was held by the ancient Egyptians who believed that the spirit of Osiris (aka Nimrod) inhabited each new Pharaoh. In fact, it has been reported that the same Egyptian ceremony performed for each new Pharaoh is even now performed for each new American president inside the headquarters of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the House of the Temple by the Supreme Council 33rd Degree over Washington DC.

It seems that at least some Freemasons have continued on the practices of the Egyptians and believe in their gods Osiris and Isis. Why would Freemasons perform a pagan Egyptian ceremony that is designed to "raise" Osiris' spirit from the grave to inhabit the body of a man?

The statue of Liberty, designed, built and dedicated by masons is actually a depiction of Isis, wife of Osiris. It was originally designed to be situated at the mouth of the Suez Canal in Egypt. Why would Freemasons commission the building of a statue of the Egyptian goddess Isis, and present it as "Liberty lighting the way" in America if they have no connection to the pagan deity?

As for the hidden message, it is in Latin and I'll get into that a bit more in my next post.

Albion · Apr 7, 2013

LastSeven said:
First of all it surprises me that you don't connect the pyramid with Egypt. Secondly, you describe the meaning of the flat topped pyramid as representing the incompleteness of the United States. Manly P Hall, describes the flat top of the unfinished pyramid to represent human society in general as being imperfect and incomplete. What then would masons, such as yourself, consider a "completion" or "perfection" of either the country or society in general? When is it finished?

Masonry is about striving for betterment. Don't ask a question like this as though there's some secret agenda and a particular social scheme in mind.

Do you consider Manly P Hall's writings or beliefs in any way relevant to or representative of freemasonry?

What he wrote is relevant to an understanding of Manly P. Hall. Not necessarily for anyone else, however.

I realize that it's possible, in fact probable, that not all masons, even 33rd degree, share the same beliefs and ideas, but I think it's important for everyone, especially yourself to understand that many influential masons have in the past and continue to hold some very dangerous beliefs.

The same can be said of Lutherans, Republicans, Environmentalists, Knights of Columbus, and Rotarians. Most of our social institutions are assemblies of people who have certain things in common but not everything.

In fact, I believe there is a connection between freemasonry and Nimrod, the builder of the tower of babel.

The numbers 11, 13, 33 and 72 seem to be important numbers in masonic symbolism, each for different reasons. The number 72 in particular is of interest to me because there were 72 angels assigned by God to watch over the nations of the earth, all of which fell into sin. These 72 angels became sharers of forbidden knowledge, against the will of God.

As you know, angels are often represented as stars. 72 stars surround the painting The Apotheosis of George Washington which was commissioned, designed and painted by Freemasons. Are these representative of the fallen ones? As well 72 stones are used to depict the unfinished pyramid on the one dollar bill. Are the 72 angels seen as building blocks that will eventually lead to a "finished" society / humanity?

The 72 fallen angels fulfilled the promise made by the serpent in the garden which was to share knowledge with man. The religion instituted by Nimrod (aka Osiris) and his wife/mother Semiramis (aka Isis) followed the same line of reasoning as that of the serpent, which is that God the creator is cruel and trying to keep you down, but the serpent (and his angels) can show you the light and share all kinds of knowledge to make men "as gods".

Do you recognize the number 72 as important in any way to freemasonry?

No. None.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 7, 2013

Albion said:
This is why your material is not credible. You state above that Masonry's use of the snake is explained below, and that it and evil are the same.

But if anyone bothers to read the material you chose to offer us...the meaning is not as you say it is but, rather, Holy wisdom. And yes, that is a longstanding symbol for wisdom.

So you choose the wisdom of the serpent who, in God's Word is called "That old Devil", and "Leviathan", over the Wisdom of God, which is Jesus Christ, our Creator, come in flesh?

The headquarters of the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington DC, called "the House of the Temple." Notice the serpent.
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The "temple" in DC, described by a former Mason [James Shaw] as he saw it when he entered it -but somewhere there are pictures of these pagan deities on that temple -and don't come back shooting the messenger, this is the message, and this is true:

THE TEMPLE ITSELF

...Flanking the entrance are two Sphinx-like granite lions with women's heads, the neck of one entwined by a cobra and decorated with the "ankh" (the Egyptian symbol of life and deity).

Adorning the neck and breast of the other is an image of a women, symbolic of fertility and procreation.

In the pavement, just in front of the tall bronze doors, are two Egyptian swords with curved, serpentine blades and, between the two swords, brass letters, set into stone, saying, "The Temple of the Supreme Council of the Thirty-Third and Last Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite."

Over the tall, bronze doors, cut into the stone, is the statement, "Freemasonry Builds Its Temples in the Hearts of Men and Among Nations."

High above the entrance, partially concealed by stone columns, is an elaborate image of the Egyptian sun god, backed with radiating sun and flanked by six large, golden snakes.

Albion · Apr 7, 2013

yeshuasavedme said:
So you choose the wisdom of the serpent who, in God's Word is called "That old Devil", and "Leviathan", over the Wisdom of God, which is Jesus Christ, our Creator, come in flesh?

That's not the point. The serpent has many meanings. One of them is wisdom and that's the reason it appears in Masonic lore--according to the material you yourself chose to present to us as "proof." Do you not know that it is also used for the medical profession? Do you believe that that means that all doctors are Satanists?

The "temple" in DC, described by a former Mason [James Shaw] as he saw it when he entered it -but somewhere there are pictures of these pagan deities on that temple -and don't come back shooting the messenger, this is the message, and this is true:

I'm sorry, but there are such images all over Washington DC and in many government buildings elsewhere, on official documents, artwork, and monuments all over the United States and other places in the Western world. It was very popular in the 19th century to decorate with emblems of ancient civilizations...and none of it meant any subscription to pagan religion.

yeshuasavedme · Apr 7, 2013

Albion said:
That's not the point. The serpent has many meanings..
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We are talking about Christianity and the Serpent, that old Devil, and the Masonic serpent, which is not "holy wisdom" according to the Word of God.

The Masonic serpents and pagan deities which are on the Masonic Temple, in WA DC are found on Wikipedia Masonic Sphinxes at the 16th St Freemason's Temple in Washington, D.C. by Adolph Alexander Weinman, John Russell Pope located in James M. Goode's Sixteenth Street area,

Egyptian sun god, sphinx, cobra, and other serpents are right there on that temple. To make covenants with such as these is to bring oneself under the curse of God, and to bring their descendants under the Curse of God to the fourth generation.

Note the serpents. This is not where Christians find Wisdom, which is Christ, Himself -and He is not a snake!

Look at that cobra! -that is not wisdom, and that is not of the Holy Spirit of God and no Christian should make covenents and take oaths to bind themselves to these pagan gods -which are demons and satans and bring curses of God on one's household and flesh to the fourth generation.

Is this the Egyptian goddess "isis"?

Albion · Apr 7, 2013

yeshuasavedme said:
We are talking about Christianity and the Serpent, that old Devil, and the Masonic serpent, which is not "holy wisdom" according to the Word of God.

No, we are not. The topic is Freemasonry, not Christianity. There is nothing out of order about a social organization using symbols to stand for education, wisdom, fidelity, etc. without any religious implications or symbolism at all.

The Masonic serpents and pagan deities which are on the Masonic Temple, in WA DC are found on Wikipedia Masonic Sphinxes at the 16th St Freemason's Temple in Washington, D.C. by Adolph Alexander Weinman, John Russell Pope located in James M. Goode's Sixteenth Street area,

Egyptian sun god, sphinx, cobra, and other serpents are right there on that temple. To make covenants with such as these is to bring oneself under the curse of God, and to bring their descendants under the Curse of God to the fourth generation

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As I told you, such ancient Roman, Greek, or Egyptian symbols are all over our nation's capital, the Vatican, and most historical monuments across America. No one seriously thinks that they are a call to believe in any pagan religion.

Rhamiel · Apr 8, 2013

Albion said:
Still sounds funny coming from an advocate of real, old fashioned idolatry.

I am not an advocate of any type of idolity

I have seen you be very critical of the Catholic Church in other threads

but in this thread your defense of Freemasonry is "Oh look at all the good work they do"
if this is your standard of judgment, then you must love the Catholic Church for all of the schools and hospitals and soup kitches that the Catholic Church has set up?

Albion · Apr 8, 2013

Rhamiel said:
I am not an advocate of any type of idolity

I have seen you be very critical of the Catholic Church in other threads

but in this thread your defense of Freemasonry is "Oh look at all the good work they do"
if this is your standard of judgment, then you must love the Catholic Church for all of the schools and hospitals and soup kitches that the Catholic Church has set up?

I do indeed give the Church credit for its many charitable activities.

LastSeven · Apr 8, 2013

This is true:

Albion said:
Do you not know that it is also used for the medical profession? Do you believe that that means that all doctors are Satanists?

But this is even more true:

YeshuaSavedMe said:
Jesus is wisdom, and if you seek wisdom from a serpent you have been deceived by the serpent. (slightly paraphrased)

Yeshuasavedme, I don't disagree with you on what you've been saying but I don't think your style of communication is going to achieve anything here. If masons are members of a false religion as you and I believe, then they will have to discover that for themselves.

As soon as you attack they become resistant to what you are saying. So I think it's better if we try to have an honest conversation and maybe through that they will begin to see what we see.

Albion · Apr 8, 2013

LastSeven said:
This is true:

But this is even more true:

Who seeks wisdom from a serpent?

Yeshuasavedme, I don't disagree with you on what you've been saying but I don't think your style of communication is going to achieve anything here. If masons are members of a false religion as you and I believe, then they will have to discover that for themselves.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could leave it at that?

And why can't we? You've delivered your m--that you read somewhere that Masonry is a religion and a false one--but you have no real evidence of that. Having done so, what would make you think that every Christian Mason (which is most Masons) hasn't taken care to find out who's right about this, considering that there is nothing rare about people posting all manner of wild charges against Masonry all over the internet?

And if Masons come back and tell you that they have experienced all that you have merely read about second or thirdhand...and there's nothing to the claims? Do you automatically dismiss them?

LastSeven · Apr 8, 2013

Albion said:
Masonry is about striving for betterment. Don't ask a question like this as though there's some secret agenda and a particular social scheme in mind.

It's a valid question. If you're trying to tell me that it only represents "continuous improvement" then I simply don't buy that. You may believe that's what it represents, but I guarantee you that is not what the forefathers believed. They clearly had a goal that they were working towards. I have some ideas on what that goal is but I was hoping to hear it from a mason.

Albion said:
What he wrote is relevant to an understanding of Manly P. Hall. Not necessarily for anyone else, however.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you clarify?

Albion said:
The same can be said of Lutherans, Republicans, Environmentalists, Knights of Columbus, and Rotarians. Most of our social institutions are assemblies of people who have certain things in common but not everything.

Sure, but the topic is freemasonry. The fact that other groups also have dangerous beliefs doesn't let you off the hook.

Albion · Apr 8, 2013

LastSeven said:
It's a valid question. If you're trying to tell me that it only represents "continuous improvement" then I simply don't buy that. You may believe that's what it represents, but I guarantee you that is not what the forefathers believed.

So the literature that Masons are given that emphasizes all these things I've mentioned is just a lie? Is that your contention?

And "Forefathers." Let's talk about Masonry as it is, please. Speculation about what was in the mind of someone a thousand years ago is worth little. Catholics don't have to defend the Spanish Inquisition at every turn and Republicans don't have to explain U. S. Grant at every turn, so why are Masons supposed to defend something said by a single Masonic writer from long ago?

They clearly had a goal that they were working towards. I have some ideas on what that goal is but I was hoping to hear it from a mason.

You've heard it and said you aren't buying it.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Can you clarify?

I mean that Manly P. Hall spoke for Manly P. Hall. There is nothing official about his writings, nor did he have absolute answers anyway, since no one, friend or foe, knows what the origins of Masonry are.

Sure, but the topic is freemasonry. The fact that other groups also have dangerous beliefs doesn't let you off the hook.

Masonry doesn't have dangerous beliefs. Nice try, though.

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