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Nithavela

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It's a tough decision. Our founding fathers knew we'd value a few cents in our pockets today in exchange for dying tomorrow.

The worst part of single payer is that it allows people who didn't earn healthcare to have access to it.
You are absolutely correct. The undeserving should perish.
 
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This is why it is extremely important to remove "Critical French Revolution Theory" from our schools. We need to STOP teaching our children that when income inequality and access to goods and services get extremely limited bad things can happen to the "job creators".
 
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Just like with sex, "eat the rich" is an idea that comes naturally once the poor gets pushed too hard.
 
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You are absolutely correct. The undeserving should perish.

I don't want to see the poor "perish", but I would like it if more of them had the get-up and go to become a business executive and make lots of money so they can afford the healthcare they require.

It's such a shame that there are so many lazy Americans out there today. But it's on them.
 
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Just like with sex, "eat the rich" is an idea that comes naturally once the poor gets pushed too hard.

It's a sad measure of the quality of poor people, isn't it? Why can't poor people not be so poor?
 
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Nithavela

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Indeed. Anyone who isn't managing a multi-million corporation isn't even trying.
It's a sad measure of the quality of poor people, isn't it? Why can't poor people not be so poor?
Bad genes, probably.
 
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It's a tough decision. Our founding fathers knew we'd value a few cents in our pockets today in exchange for dying tomorrow.The worst part of single payer is that it allows people who didn't earn healthcare to have access to it.
I'm thinking the worst part is going to be the limitations put on it and its quality of care.
 
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That's not how you catch a wild pig...at least it won't work for feral pigs in the US.

But interesting that this person (if a real person) did include industry subsidies and tax credits for unearned income along with welfare as examples of socialism.
 
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Just like with sex, "eat the rich" is an idea that comes naturally once the poor gets pushed too hard.

Which really just demonstrates how bad the poor are at understanding economics.

There simply aren't enough rich for all of them to eat.
 
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Which really just demonstrates how bad the poor are at understanding economics.

There simply aren't enough rich for all of them to eat.

LOL! True dat. Which is kind of a problem when you think of it. When enough poor Americans finally get off their beee-hinds and do some work and become rich it will cause a point in time when there is just enough rich people for the remaining poors to eat more of. But, the one thing that will keep this from being a complete disaster is that the left-over poor people who didn't get rich are probably too lazy to go out and get a rich person to eat. So there's that.
 
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That's ignoring the problems in the healthcare industry though.

We already subsidized drug development costs...for example. It's difficult to make a profitable drug without assuming some of the risk, as a taxpayer, on the front end .

The problem is that you're also absorbing massive cost markups on the back end as well. Why? Well you've got a middle man to pay (your insurance company) and there's essentially no limit to how high they can mark up a necessary drug in a capitalist economy.

Even if you want to make sure it's still a capitalist system, you can definitely change the cost to the consumer.
 
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And that is EXACTLY why Capitalism is the best. There's nothing to ever stop you taking massive profits! And if it is for something everyone NEEDS then it's ca-ching! Makin' it rain!

If someone wants to find a better deal on a medical procedure they can shop around! If someone finds out their little kid has an aggressive cancer they can shop until they find a doctor who can help for a lower cost. OR they can balance out the relative value of the child. If they have several children it might not be a bad thing to just let one go. If you can't afford the cancer treatment you can't expect to get it.

Drugs are another thing. Take insulin for instance. A material that's been around for a while so doesn't really need TOO much gussying up but you can literally charge whatever you want for it because the people who take it need it to live! They will pay ANYTHING for it!
 
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What's unearned income?

I'm sureyYou know what "unearned income" is.


Unearned Income (irs.gov)
 
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I'm sureyYou know what "unearned income" is.

Nah, never heard of it.

Is this a joke?
 
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I think utilities may be regulated in Texas.
Have you checked to see what that had to do with it, if the company was not allowed to raise rates to cover the expensive winterizing, etc., therefore nixing it?

Yes, their were no regulations governing the winterizing of equipment in Texas, though -- after the last blackout in 2014 -- there were "advisories" to winterize that the energy companies agreed to but didn't follow through on.

In this years legislative session, bills were passed to require companies to winterize their power equipment -- after which these companies rewarded the governor and legislature millions in campaign donations.
 
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And why didn't the people of Texas bribe their legislators to winterise the equipment?

There are 29 million people living in Texas. If everyone would have just chipped in a dollar, they would have easily outbribed the energy companies.
 
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