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How come when I mention A.W. Pink, nobody thinks or even reacts to it, but somebody else mentions him, that is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
God Bless
Till all are one.
His_disciple3 said:Romans 12:1-2
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
KJV
I preach Romans 12:1-2 probably more than any other verses, so we were preaching on them this past Sunday, And the thought came to me, that this was yet another Black eye for calvinist, For ( Paul, the one that calvinists says preached the Doctrine of total depravity) Or that is according to calvinist, (Or other wise known as the "T" in t.u.l.i.p.). But in Romans 12:1-2 Paul states the good and acceptable, the perfect "WILL OF GOD" However Paul Is found here BEGGING the ELECT/brethren, to do the will of God. IF Paul taught that God was the sole controller of Men and men had no say what they believed or what they did ( as the calvinist says Paul preached this, along with Jesus also preaching this, then why is Paul begging, someone to do the perfect will of God, If God would force someone into heaven by predetermined election, Would He not have them do His perfect and acceptable will of God in their life? and If paul knew this and preached that everyone has to do the will of God, why is he found begging them to do the right things in life in Romans 12?. so 1 John the whole world either don't mean what scriptures says, and calvinist are right, about "L" limited atonement. or the whole world does mean what is says and we have to spell the calvinist doctrine of Grace T.U.I.P. and now Paul Here knows that not even all the elect will always do the perfect will of God and is found begging them to do the will of God, so either this don't mean what is says or the Bible does mean what is says, and we now have to spell the doctrine of Grace according to calvinist U.I.P. and to me according to Romans 12:1-2 it does appear that man has some control in the way they live their lives!!
DeaconDean said:How come when I mention A.W. Pink, nobody thinks or even reacts to it, but somebody else mentions him, that is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Seriously?
One person here has posted a thread about Heb. 10, here and in the Soteriology area.
The exact same thread.
And in both, I quoted A.W. Pink, from his "Exposition of Hebrews".
And it just went right over some heads.
Mention his name here, and the accolates start.
Why?
God Bless
Till all are one.
DeaconDean said:One person here has posted a thread about Heb. 10, here and in the Soteriology area.
The exact same thread.
And in both, I quoted A.W. Pink, from his "Exposition of Hebrews".
And it just went right over some heads.
Mention his name here, and the accolates start.
Why?
God Bless
Till all are one.
One person here has posted a thread about Heb. 10, here and in the Soteriology area.
The exact same thread.
And in both, I quoted A.W. Pink, from his "Exposition of Hebrews".
And it just went right over some heads.
Mention his name here, and the accolates start.
Why?
God Bless
Till all are one.
Vince53 said:"You say that Predestination doesn't refer to salvation. What do you think it refers to?"
The Bible tells us that everyone who accepts Christ is predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son, and is predestined to the adoption of sons. Period.
Predestination to Heaven to Hell, to accept Christ, to reject Christ, to repent, or to believe are philosophies of men not found in the Scriptures.
God's Word tells us that Jesus draws all men to Himself, that the Father draws all men to Christ by teaching them, that Jesus enlightens every man who comes into the world, that God grants repentance to both Israel and the Gentiles, and that the grace of God that brings salvation appears to all men.
Election, predestination, and sanctification are three separate things. They are not synonymous. Paul is talking about sanctification. I will assume that this was an honest misunderstanding of what we believe scripture teaches. So I expect that you won't make this same error again. Remember, no matter how strongly you disagree with another view, to deliberately misrepresent that view is lying.
"You say that Predestination doesn't refer to salvation. What do you think it refers to?"
The Bible tells us that everyone who accepts Christ is predestined to be conformed to the image of God's Son, and is predestined to the adoption of sons. Period.
Predestination to Heaven to Hell, to accept Christ, to reject Christ, to repent, or to believe are philosophies of men not found in the Scriptures.
God's Word tells us that Jesus draws all men to Himself, that the Father draws all men to Christ by teaching them, that Jesus enlightens every man who comes into the world, that God grants repentance to both Israel and the Gentiles, and that the grace of God that brings salvation appears to all men.
You guys are reasoning in the wrong direction. You start with man and reason up to God. You must start with God and reason down to man. The whole argument about free- will is reasoning up from man to God. If you really want to know where to start first find out who God is and then you will have no problem with seeing where man is .
You can't get mad at blind people because they can't see.
His_disciple3 said:I think you missed my point, Paul show in these scriptures Romans 12:1-2 what is the perfect will of God, but begs the brethren/ the elect to do the will of God, The Sovereign God Of the Calvinist will force someone to have faith in Him but won't force them to do the will of God, in that Paul has to beg them to do so?
so educate me, Are you saying that if you are one of the elect, it is up to you to keep yourself sanctified/saved , and if you don't do the will Of God, For Paul clearly begs the brethren/elect to do the will of God which shows that Paul knew that some would not do the will of God, so to those that are elect if they don't do the perfect will of God are they still elect or do they become one of the non-elect? what saith you hammster? are you saying that the elect can do something that would make the election of John Calvin's Sovereign God void? Or do you stand with the true calvinist and say if it is the will of God: It will be done. which would disagree with paul seeing that He is not telling the elect that they will do the will of God, but rather begging them to do the will of God , please inform us hammster which way do you see it?
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