Free will in scripture

[gordonhooker]

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Now if your talking about the Bible Catholics, and the Orthodox read then I would have to agree, it's in their Bibles.

But these books which you guys place so much stock in do not appear in the KJV, or many other Protestant versions.

So we really can't say they..... The "deuterocanonical" books have always been part of Christian scripture. Can we?

Sorry, but what the Israelite's did is not Teaching, they chose to rebel against God.

Do you understand the term DOMAIN?

What the Israelite's did, was a demonstration of that Domain, but it cannot be taken for Free Will.

Because I chose to put on white socks this morning doesn't demonstrate Free Will either, nor does what I chose to eat tonight, and if someone asks me to chose this day what I am going to do then, nope that doesn't do it either.

That is not quite right I have a KJV Bible that contains the deutercanonical books.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

That is not quite right I have a KJV Bible that contains the deutercanonical books.

So does my German Bilble (Luther's translation).

 

[JIMINZ]

That is not quite right I have a KJV Bible that contains the deutercanonical books.

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Then it would appear as though it is up to the individual Publisher, because mine does not, nor do any of the other KJV's I have.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

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Then it would appear as though it is up to the individual Publisher, because mine does not, nor do any of the other KJV's I have.

Whole article found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha
King James Version[edit]
The English-language King James Version (KJV) of 1611 followed the lead of the Luther Bible in using an inter-testamental section labelled "Books called Apocrypha", or just "Apocrypha" at the running page header.[33] The KJV followed the Geneva Bible of 1560 almost exactly (variations are marked below). The section contains the following:[34]

• 1 Esdras (Vulgate 3 Esdras)
• 2 Esdras (Vulgate 4 Esdras)
• Tobit
• Judith ("Judeth" in Geneva)
• Rest of Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4 – 16:24)
• Wisdom
• Ecclesiasticus (also known as Sirach)
• Baruch and the Epistle of Jeremy ("Jeremiah" in Geneva) (all part of Vulgate Baruch)
• Song of the Three Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90)
• Story of Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13)
• The Idol Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14)
• Prayer of Manasses (Daniel)
• 1 Maccabees
• 2 Maccabees

Looks like you got ripped-off.

 

[gordonhooker]

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Then it would appear as though it is up to the individual Publisher, because mine does not, nor do any of the other KJV's I have.

That would be correct, have you ever asked your Christian Bookshop for one that contains the Apocrypha? Our Lectionary actually contains readings from the Apocrypha and the KJV is still a translation of the Bible that is suitable to read in Church although not many parishes that I am aware of still read from it unless it is a liturgy from the 1662 BCP.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

That would be correct, have you ever asked your Christian Bookshop for one that contains the Apocrypha? Our Lectionary actually contains readings from the Apocrypha and the KJV is still a translation of the Bible that is suitable to read in Church although not many parishes that I am aware of still read from it unless it is a liturgy from the 1662 BCP.

LCMS/LCC in Lutheran Service Book have readings from these books in Gradules and Atiphons on certain days, in certain seasons.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Jesus demonstrated a supreme act of free will. He was able to do what He ought to do no matter how difficult it was.

God created us, so what He created us for is the reason we exist. Doing God's will fulfills that reason and that's how we find our reason for being. We don't have to do that but if we don't we deny our own nature and reason to be. We can't become greater than God has made us to be, we can only become less. True freedom is being able to do what ought to be done. Jesus on the cross is demonstrating true freedom and Jesus Risen is that freedom fully realized. He is no longer bound by any law, not even the laws of physics. In that state, united to the will of the Father, one doesn't will this or that because it's good. It's good because it's willed. That's the freedom God made us for.

 

[FineLinen]

I believe in freewill!