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I'm not sure my logic is flawed. If we are unable to choose to do evil, then we don't have free will.

I never ascribed to us being unable to choose to do evil. Reality and the account of Eden has already answered that for us. We can never be unable to do evil, we can however be unwilling to do evil.
 
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yeah its the sorting and weeding out process...you really are following God if you are given an alternative (evil) and you choose Him over the other option.

On the other hand, initially, if you have no options (no evil) and only God, then you have no choice but to choose God and that would be forceful/obligational.

So to know who really wants Him, He allowed evil.
 
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yeah its the sorting and weeding out process...you really are following God if you are given an alternative (evil) and you choose Him over the other option.

On the other hand, initially, if you have no options (no evil) and only God, then you have no choice but to choose God and that would be forceful/obligational.

So to know who really wants Him, He allowed evil.
Why does God want people to want Him?
 
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Why do parents want their children to want them?
Well, I would say because they have cared for them and nurtured them. They love their children, and they want their children to love them back.

However, let me ask you this: God is supposed to be the very definition of love. God is omni-benevolent. If He has infinite love for us, how can he punish us eternally for not believing in Him? Some people aren't even exposed to the Bible. It seems unfair that He would damn them forever just because He didn't make himself self-evident to humanity.
 
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Well, I would say because they have cared for them and nurtured them. They love their children, and they want their children to love them back.

However, let me ask you this: God is supposed to be the very definition of love. God is omni-benevolent. If He has infinite love for us, how can he punish us eternally for not believing in Him? Some people aren't even exposed to the Bible. It seems unfair that He would damn them forever just because He didn't make himself self-evident to humanity.


While He is the very definition of love, He is also a just and holy God. If He lets crime go unpunished then He is unjust and that doesn't fit His character.

Yet, He rather pardon our crimes instead of punish us and He has done so through Jesus Christ at the Cross.
The only begotten Son of God, a sinless man taking on the punishment of sinful humanity. Thats a clear illustration of His love for His creation.

As for people who has never heard of the Bible, I cant be too sure if every deceased person has heard of the Gospel...but the Bible does say that God has already made Himself evident to mankind through creation itself...He has also written His laws in the conscience of man. I dont know how those that never heard of the Gospel will be judged but I do know that He is just and His judgment will be right.

As for the rest who has heard of the Gospel, they will be accountable for how they reacted to it.
 
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As a parent, I don't have the obligation to love or care for or gift gifts to the children down the street--they are not my children.

In the same way, God is under no obligation to provide gifts for, or an eternal home with Him, to those who are not His own.

Those outside of His Forever Family belong to another father--Satan,whether by choice or by not making any choice.

God is all love and benevolence--toward His own. Hislove extends the offer for all to come and be His children--to come away from their unhappy homes and be rescued from their tyrant of a father and be adopted into His famiy, becoming His own sons and daughters, but it is a decision that each child must make. Do they want to have a love relationship with the best Father? Or would they rather stay where they are abused, and have found it to be rather comfortable?
 
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The very notion of Satan is contradictory to a belief in an omni-benevolent, omnipotent God. Either the God you believe in is not all-powerful, or He is not all Good. Or Satan does not exist. One of those 3 options.

I wouldnt go by that at all. The Bible warns us to not rely on our own understanding...just because it doesnt make sense does not rule it out...His way is higher than our ways...He has a purpose for letting the devil exist..

I have already witnessed supernatural phenomena that is mind blowing...I would show you in person if you are nearby...

the challenge to any non believer is this...come and taste God yourself...see for yourself ...see that He is good and He is who He says He is....
 
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The very notion of Satan is contradictory to a belief in an omni-benevolent, omnipotent God. Either the God you believe in is not all-powerful, or He is not all Good. Or Satan does not exist. One of those 3 options.

The "very notion of Satan" is not a notion. He is the enemy of God. He has nothing whatsoever to do with God's benevolence.

My God is omnipotent, and is Goodness, plus Satan exists, whether you like it or not. Those options are inane, and baseless.
 
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While He is the very definition of love, He is also a just and holy God. If He lets crime go unpunished then He is unjust and that doesn't fit His character.

Yet, He rather pardon our crimes instead of punish us and He has done so through Jesus Christ at the Cross.
The only begotten Son of God, a sinless man taking on the punishment of sinful humanity. Thats a clear illustration of His love for His creation.

As for people who has never heard of the Bible, I cant be too sure if every deceased person has heard of the Gospel...but the Bible does say that God has already made Himself evident to mankind through creation itself...He has also written His laws in the conscience of man. I dont know how those that never heard of the Gospel will be judged but I do know that He is just and His judgment will be right.

As for the rest who has heard of the Gospel, they will be accountable for how they reacted to it.

Strange, the bible says Christ is the only way, not belief in creation, works, ect...all creation, powers, people were made for Christ and can only be redeemed through Christ. The demons believe in creation by God.

Colossians 1:15-20
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.


The only way anyone can be reconciled is through Christ.

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross
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1 Timothy 2:3-6 (KJV)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have (thelo) all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


Those that never heard will be saved through Christ after death or they go to hell out of ignorance.
 
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Those that never heard will be saved through Christ after death or they go to hell out of ignorance.

That is not Christian theology. It is not Scriptural, and I reject the preaching of that false doctrine here.

John 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

 
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That is not Christian theology. It is not Scriptural, and I reject the preaching of that false doctrine here.

John 3:16
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.


I was responding to him, not you...and it is scriptural.
 
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Strange, the bible says Christ is the only way, not belief in creation, works, ect...all creation, powers, people were made for Christ and can only be redeemed through Christ. The demons believe in creation by God.

I am not saying you are saved because you simply believe God exists...Many believe God exist and not all of these will be saved. Salvation is through Christ alone..man's works, gifts, talents, treasures, speech, sacrifice, rituals or whatever will not save anyone.

I was trying to make the point that God's existence is evident by looking around our surrounding and seeing the complexity of creation...even a tiny blade of grass reveals the profound wisdom in Him.

A person who has never heard of the Gospel before should well know (it is by default) that there was a Creator behind all of this. Any other explaination in attempt to explain creation reveals that such individual does not like the idea of submitting him/herself to a higher Authority, which is God Himself.

Christ is the only way to eternal life.
 
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