Free will and generational curses.

[Sammy-San]

People who commit serious sins, like alcohol and drug addiction are under the influence of demons. Despite the fact that they are either possessed or influenced by demons that make them sin, the reason they are responsible for their choices, from the perspective of free will, is because, at one point, they themselves made a choice that they are morally responsible for, that led to them being demonically influenced, which makes them do extreme sins.

But how does this concept of free will apply to generational curses?

For example, a person who is an alcoholic or drug addict from a generational curse, how are they responsible for their actions? They didnt make the choice that led to them being influenced by demons to sin-some family member down the line did. How can innocent people be responsible for the choices of the guilty?

While it's true that innocent people are affected by evil peoples choices in some situations (like civilian deaths in war-totally unrelated to the topic, but just an analogy), I dont see how innocent people can be held responsible for the free will of guilty sinners. How can a person involved in a generational curse be responsible (from a free will perspective) for their sins, when they didnt make the choice that opened that gateway in their life?

 

[BryanW92]

For example, a person who is an alcoholic or drug addict from a generational curse, how are they responsible for their actions? They didnt make the choice that led to them being influenced by demons to sin-some family member down the line did. How can innocent people be responsible for the choices of the guilty?

My father and both of his brothers were/are alcoholics. I've had 6 beers in my entire life and don't touch alcohol (and I'm 52 and a Navy veteran). Starting an addiction when there is a family history of it is definitely a choice.

 

[Sammy-San]

My father and both of his brothers were/are alcoholics. I've had 6 beers in my entire life and don't touch alcohol (and I'm 52 and a Navy veteran). Starting an addiction when there is a family history of it is definitely a choice.

Why do some Christians say certain sinful habits is because of a curse given to people because of their parent or ancestor's sins?

 

[BryanW92]

Why do some Christians say certain sinful habits is because of a curse given to people because of their parent or ancestor's sins?

Same reason why people always blame someone else for their shortfalls. You play the hand that you are dealt in life. If you have a family history of addiction, you avoid things that you could become addicted to.

 

[Sammy-San]

Same reason why people always blame someone else for their shortfalls. You play the hand that you are dealt in life. If you have a family history of addiction, you avoid things that you could become addicted to.

But doesnt the Bible say in Exodus that the sins of the fathers get carried on to their offspring? Some people use that verse to say that generational curses exist. So are you saying that the whole concept of generational curses is a false teaching?

 

[BryanW92]

But doesnt the Bible say in Exodus that the sins of the fathers get carried on to their offspring? Some people use that verse to say that generational curses exist. So are you saying that the whole concept of generational curses is a false teaching?

In this case, the generational curse would be the genetic predisposition to addiction, not the addiction itself. You are responsible for taking that first drink, or puff, or pill and allowing that addiction gene to enslave you.

 

[MWood]

All of that was God dealing with His Chosen People. It does not carry over to us today. Mostly because we are Gentiles. And mostly because Jesus fulfilled all the Law and Prophets.

 

[Sammy-San]

All of that was God dealing with His Chosen People. It does not carry over to us today. Mostly because we are Gentiles. And mostly because Jesus fulfilled all the Law and Prophets.

How do you know generational curses dont exist today? Ive heard many people say that they do.

 

[BryanW92]

How do you know generational curses dont exist today? Ive heard many people say that they do.

Did you ask those people for their proof that its a generational curse and not just bad habits being passed from parent to child?

 

[seeingeyes]

If generational curses exist, then every last one of us is under one.

 

[Sammy-San]

If generational curses exist, then every last one of us is under one.

Which generational curse are we under now?

 

[seeingeyes]

Which generational curse are we under now?

Well, you would be under the curse of whatever sin your father or grandfather or great-grandfather committed. So would I. So would everyone.

The only people who would not have a generational curse would be those with sinless ancestors going back 6 or 8 generations.

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, you would be under the curse of whatever sin your father or grandfather or great-grandfather committed. So would I. So would everyone.

The only people who would not have a generational curse would be those with sinless ancestors going back 6 or 8 generations.

Why are you saying generational curses still exist, if some people say they only existed in Old Testament times?

 

[ron4shua]

Greeting all you "restored to favour" Saints , HalleluYAH !

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!1 Footnote: 1Rom. 6:2-22, Gal. 2:20, Eph. 4:22-24, Col. 3:10, 1 John 3:9-10.
2Co 5:18 And all matters are from Elohim, who has restored us to favour with Himself through יהושע Messiah, and has given us the service of restoration to favour,
2Co 5:19 that is, that Elohim was in Messiah restoring the world to favour unto Himself, not reckoning their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of restoration to favour.
2Co 5:20 Therefore we are envoys on behalf of Messiah, as though Elohim were pleading through us. We beg, on behalf of Messiah: Be restored to favour with Elohim.
2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of Elohim. (ISR)
What Does the Bible Say About Generational Curses?

One of "the righteousness of Elohim" , the servant ron .

 

[seeingeyes]

Why are you saying generational curses still exist, if some people say they only existed in Old Testament times?

I said IF they do, then everyone is under one.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

But doesnt the Bible say in Exodus that the sins of the fathers get carried on to their offspring? Some people use that verse to say that generational curses exist. So are you saying that the whole concept of generational curses is a false teaching?

Back then there was little science or understanding of how and what gets passed in our DNA. We know that some families have a tendancy torwards alchol or drugs, but that could be from DNA or psycholgy of growing up with alchholics family.

I don't think that verse is about generational curses, more so something they would understand at that time. Exodus is one of the first books of the bible.

 

[thesunisout]

People who commit serious sins, like alcohol and drug addiction are under the influence of demons. Despite the fact that they are either possessed or influenced by demons that make them sin, the reason they are responsible for their choices, from the perspective of free will, is because, at one point, they themselves made a choice that they are morally responsible for, that led to them being demonically influenced, which makes them do extreme sins.

But how does this concept of free will apply to generational curses?

For example, a person who is an alcoholic or drug addict from a generational curse, how are they responsible for their actions? They didnt make the choice that led to them being influenced by demons to sin-some family member down the line did. How can innocent people be responsible for the choices of the guilty?

While it's true that innocent people are affected by evil peoples choices in some situations (like civilian deaths in war-totally unrelated to the topic, but just an analogy), I dont see how innocent people can be held responsible for the free will of guilty sinners. How can a person involved in a generational curse be responsible (from a free will perspective) for their sins, when they didnt make the choice that opened that gateway in their life?

The scripture tells us that with every temptation, God makes a way of escape. Regardless of the circumstance, we're all personally responsible for all of our sins and we can't pin the blame on anyone else.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I think that most that call it a 'curse' want to cast that demon out of you. They both go together, IMHO. I don't really think it's a curse or a demon.

 

[Sammy-San]

My father and both of his brothers were/are alcoholics. I've had 6 beers in my entire life and don't touch alcohol (and I'm 52 and a Navy veteran). Starting an addiction when there is a family history of it is definitely a choice.

Heres a bible verse that supports the concept that generational curses exist.

Exodus 20 5.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

 

[Sammy-San]

The scripture tells us that with every temptation, God makes a way of escape. Regardless of the circumstance, we're all personally responsible for all of our sins and we can't pin the blame on anyone else.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

Do you think generational curses do exist or its a false doctrine? Generational Curses